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brUh no, quit taking my scale I was gonna use this
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Chaos Force Low 1-C Upgrade?
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@Bernkastelll just repeating stuffs that have been refuted shame on you with Monika pfp 
, so yeah let's wait for staffs input before this gonna be a cyclic clusterfuck for once more.
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No, because the transcending part refear to the realm outside space time, and outside in fiction doesnt works like RF or some similar scale most of times, and this isnt the case
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But the stuffs arent refuted, at least im not seeing it, I just can see a circular argument, anyways, just call someone who is expert on the Tiering System and gg@Bernkastelll just repeating stuffs that have been refutedshame on you with Monika pfp, so yeah let's wait for staffs input before this gonna be a cyclic clusterfuck for once more.
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I did, I called Ultima
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Nice, if she/he agrees, gg, but im sad that these funny moments are going to end, because debating in the thread was funny as hell, I didnt even sleep just to it
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We don't treat reality-fiction difference as necessity in order to warrant ones to Tier 1. Did you even read this entire thread?
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Give me that monika picture on ur banner please, send it on my wall or idk how it is called@Bernkastelll just repeating stuffs that have been refutedshame on you with Monika pfp, so yeah let's wait for staffs input before this gonna be a cyclic clusterfuck for once more.
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Higher D envolves RF, and yes, I read the entire thread
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God dammit alright alright just wait.
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Ahhhh, it seems I'm misunderstanding the scan. There "evolving to higher plane" wasn't referring to the Chaos Force itself, but another realm entirely.
This seems legit then.
This seems legit then.
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And it is not a necessity unless you can quote me where. TTGL and Toaru don't have it but they are High 1-C because they fits the non-insignificant part, because reality-fiction is not the only criteria.
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I dont even know how TTGL even works, and as someone said, TTGL follow some theory that is high 1-C, so, idk
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I'm literally TTGL debater, just saying. It has the usage of brane cosmology which again, fits our non-insignificant higher dimensional size.
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It follows brane cosmology, like SMT
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Again, did someone call Ultima to come comment here?
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I think I disagree it is only based on space-time trance if evolution or trance does not show true tracendence even now they have only said that these are not all the trials but they did not show something to support the argument call Ultima or other members personar that this only goes a circular argument
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what
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ok apologies
i was asked to comment here but i dont have much to say.
i was asked to comment here but i dont have much to say.
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Then just wait for more staff. Let's cool it so we don't clog the thread. @Executor_N0 was also called to the thread so let's see if either him or Ultima respond any time soon.
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I agree with the upgrade
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Seriously, what u tried to say here? if u want to join in the Disagree Team, u need to make ur points clear
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And how TF was I not notified more for this?
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Also, why u didnt included the ppl who disagree?Current agreements: 32 (including @The_real_cal_howard and @TISSG7Redgrave)
The Chaos Force is described as a transcendent realm beyond space-time:
It is shown that transcendental entities are imperceptible to beings of lower dimensional beings. The process of ascending into the Chaos Force is referred to as “transcending” twice, and Athair described his oneness with the Chaos Force as existing in a realm ”far beyond comprehension”, implying higher-dimensionality.
Characters who scale to this
The Ancient Walkers, Aurora, Chaos Knuckles, and Enerjak are one with the Chaos Force.
Master Mogul wounded the Ancient Walkers, and Super Sonic battled against the former. Super Sonic, Turbo Tails, and Hyper Knuckles could all engage in combat with Mammoth Mogul's first tenure, albeit Mammoth Mogul could fend them off.
During his second rise to godhood, Master Mogul took complete control over the Chaos Force’s power, and Titan Tails matched and defeated him.
And lastly, the Super Genesis Wave and/or Super Sonic’s Chaos Control destroyed the Chaos Force.
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Usually when it gets to the next page, you have to manually go to that page in order for the notifications to update you.
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Its kinda difficult to figure out if the ppl who are disagreeing have a valid reason to do so, as users have pointed out, the ones disagreeing have taken one piece of evidence and saying its not enough, while not looking at all the evidence together at once.
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Ye, some have, and debating it would be circular
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Can someone ping me later am watching barca vs psg
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8 people have expressed disagreement, but their counters aren’t too good. I’m just waiting for Staff at this point.
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Non mod members can't ping others, and you are currently following the thing
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I don't see this as being enough based on the criteria I became familiar with for another verses' Low 1-C upgrade.
The word "transcendence" is not enough. Even having words like "layers" indicating some form of hierarchy in dimensions is not enough. It has to infinitely transcend a 4-D Space time in order to qualify. Based on my understanding a space could transcend a 4-D space by "millions of times" and still not qualify. 4.5 D is still not 5-D, etc, etc. From my understanding, if you have 4-D on a number line then the distance to 5-D would be located infinitely farther down the line. Which is why the feat must be described or shown to be on such a level (the most common form being outright statements of the spaces dimensionality or the Reality-Fiction dynamic).
I do agree that some Low 1-C profiles may have to be looked at to review if they actually fit the criteria, but unless I'm misunderstanding something, what has been shown here is not enough. Using the numberline analogy all that we can assume from the presented evidence is the chaos force brings you to a point further than 4.
Personally, I'd see this as possibly Low 1-C though.
The word "transcendence" is not enough. Even having words like "layers" indicating some form of hierarchy in dimensions is not enough. It has to infinitely transcend a 4-D Space time in order to qualify. Based on my understanding a space could transcend a 4-D space by "millions of times" and still not qualify. 4.5 D is still not 5-D, etc, etc. From my understanding, if you have 4-D on a number line then the distance to 5-D would be located infinitely farther down the line. Which is why the feat must be described or shown to be on such a level (the most common form being outright statements of the spaces dimensionality or the Reality-Fiction dynamic).
I do agree that some Low 1-C profiles may have to be looked at to review if they actually fit the criteria, but unless I'm misunderstanding something, what has been shown here is not enough. Using the numberline analogy all that we can assume from the presented evidence is the chaos force brings you to a point further than 4.
Personally, I'd see this as possibly Low 1-C though.
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I was actually going to ask that earlier. Transcendence is more like the first step in the right direction. Afterwards, wouldn't you need to somehow prove the transcended reality (ies) is infinitely beyond that of the lower one(s)?
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“Transcendence is more like the first step in the right direction”
Archie’s Multiverse = Infinite
The Chaos Force:
* Transcendence statements, which describes the process of going from one plane of existence to another
* Higher Plane of Existence (x2) statements
* Beyond statements by the Brotherhood of Guardians to Knuckles
* 7 Chaos Emeralds have no limitations to rewriting Space/Time, 3D and 4D of the infinite multiverse, and the Chaos Force exist Beyond that.
1 single Post Harmony Chaos Emerald rewrote Space/Time, 3D and 4D, for the Prime Zone during the first Genesis Wave, but didn’t effect Zonic who existed outside of the Prime Zone’s universe, and the Chaos Force exist beyond Zonic.
* Althair describes the Chaos Force to 3D Tails it’s beyond comprehension, another beyond statement, as 3dimensional Tails can comprehend space and time, 3D and 4D
* “Outside of Time and Space” is not a ceiling cap term, as downplayers of this thread has tried to use it as. But it indicates it’s outside of the chaos emeralds initial influence, which their applications have no limitations with 3-D and 4D.
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Okay that's cool and all, but again, are those dimensions infinitely superior to one another?
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