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DMC acausality removal

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Demons exist out of the flow of time...yet are still stopped by Quicksilver? Something tells me that said sentence the OP linked is flowery...like books tend to do.
 
Unfortunately I cannot agree. With all that has been mentioned before, type 4 acausality seems legitimate to me.
 
Because he's a demon like the rest? And again, the rest of the scans, like having different laws and physics compared to the human world points to type 4.
 
explain how or why having different laws does not count, because it's textbook definition Type 4 acausality when you're operating in different cause and effect rules than normal.
That does not count. Just because the laws of nature is diffreant does not mean that causality work diferrent. There is not statement about causality being differant or the demons being outisde it. Just satatements about diffreant laws is not enough.
 
Mundus has one scan that says he is independent of time (he resisted Dante's Bangle of Time, for example)

Other demons in general have their own scans, they are affected by Dante's Time Hax, but bypassing resistances is something rather common in fiction
 
Mundus has one scan that says he is independent of time (he resisted Dante's Bangle of Time, for example)

Other demons in general have their own scans, they are affected by Dante's Time Hax, but bypassing resistances is something rather common in fiction
resisting time hax does not give acausality
 
you do know laws are bound by cause and effect as well right? Being in a completely different laws means you're not functioning in the same cause and effect as any normal being.
 
you do know laws are bound by cause and effect as well right? Being in a completely different laws means you're not functioning in the same cause and effect as any normal being.
No.It is not stated that the causality is different there.Just statements about different laws isn't enough. There is no statement about causality being different for demons or them being outside it.
 
I would like to ask something do the demons have proof of it outside of their world and what if a human entered the Demon's world. If they are just bound to the rules of the world they are it that just proves that they don't have the power they just have the physical capabilities needed to live in both worlds.
 
After some talk on discord, the scans related from void mundus will be separated and noted to scale only to him, we didnt noticed void mundus scan was there along with scans on demons in general when adding the changes. I hope this clears the confusion.
 
I would like to ask something do the demons have proof of it outside of their world and what if a human entered the Demon's world. If they are just bound to the rules of the world they are it that just proves that they don't have the power they just have the physical capabilities needed to live in both worlds.
"The world is trembling. As one historian put it, this world is so fragile in its foundation that it cannot accept beings that do not follow its laws. So what would happen to the world if an alien being were to be forcibly inserted? The answer is about to appear here, right now."

That's a Demon appearing in the Human World
 
No.It is not stated that the causality is different there.Just statements about different laws isn't enough. There is no statement about causality being different for demons or them being outside it.
The statement is about the laws of the Human World and about beings that do not follow it, it wasn't only one or two of them, but Laws as a whole

The Law Manipulation page not only includes Causality/Cause and Effect as one of them, but also quotes that Type 4 Acausality is able to resist it
 
Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality.

That literally is the same thing with existing in different laws and phyiscs than normal, what part of this is not type 4?
 
I have read the page and it seems to be more logical than just saying that all resistances that the ability is by nature are Ok but not the ability I haven't seen a complaint about any resistances on it here. And Cal you are thinking of resistance negotiation characters that survive extreme temperatures can lose to the ice witch and their freeze you solid spell.
 
Unless you're an RPG, it's super uncommon. If it ever happens it's almost always made a big deal. 99% of the time if it's not either of those it's exaggerated af on the profiles.
Are you sure it's only in RPG ? Because I saw tens of examples of Mind and Soul Hax Resistances, for example, being bypassed because the user had better feats than what the opponent resisted, take Luke Skywalker VS threads as examples, there are layers and levels of resistance being accepted and used in multiple profiles at this very moment, even realms outside of time being time haxed already happened (Doctor Strange)

Now, If you don't agree with this, this isn't the correct CRT to talk about it
 
Correct that is the point of the sentence that there is more than one level of resistance for most powers. RPGS have it because they want have options and adding resistances and ways around them encourage that.
 
Characters with this type of Acausality operate on a different and irregular system of cause and effect than regular causality.

That literally is the same thing with existing in different laws and phyiscs than normal, what part of this is not type 4?
There is no statement about causality being different. Having different laws of physics does not give acausality. Just having different laws does not give acausality.You need to prove that those laws include causality which DMC does not
 
you're arguing ad nauseum here, we already gave you a counter here dude, can you refute the different laws and physics being type 4 aside from just saying it's not the case over and over and over again?
 
you're arguing ad nauseum here, we already gave you a counter here dude, can you refute the different laws and physics being type 4 aside from just saying it's not the case over and over and over again?
Diffent rules of physics does not mean causality.Physics and causality is different.
 
Causality is something and it's result if physics we changed so up is down and you were unaffected you would violate the laws of physics and causality as for you up is still up but why would you follow those laws well to put it simply the laws they follow aren't our laws it's a copy which will grant the same benefits as otherwise.
 
Causality is something and it's result if physics we changed so up is down and you were unaffected you would violate the laws of physics and causality as for you up is still up but why would you follow those laws well to put it simply the laws they follow aren't our laws it's a copy which will grant the same benefits as otherwise.
It never stated that the laws of causality is differant. Having differant laws of physcis does not mean diffreant law of causality unless specified which dmc does not.
 
Are you sure it's only in RPG ? Because I saw tens of examples of Mind and Soul Hax Resistances, for example, being bypassed because the user had better feats than what the opponent resisted, take Luke Skywalker VS threads as examples, there are layers and levels of resistance being accepted and used in multiple profiles at this very moment, even realms outside of time being time haxed already happened (Doctor Strange)
That isn't Resistance Negation tho. Even Luke Skywalker, the very example you're giving, doesn't have Resistance Negation.
 
...you guys are not even trying

I'm not talking about Resistance Negation (The Hax), I'm talking about having Haxes stronger than the opponents resistances, I gave Mind and Soul Hax as examples because they are easier to explain, since it's common seeing people with resistance to them still being affected, the user just need to have better feats than what the opponent resisted

And that doesn't need RPG style to happen
 
Earl faught us for a week and half over the space-time shenanigans and even he wasn't able to disprove us....just looking back at the CRT shows why the layers of time resistance for certain demons were accepted, and all other layers of any different hax.....its pretty straight forward.
 
A hax being capable to bypass a resistance is not a anti-feat for the user that have that specific resistance, just means that the character in question has the ability to bypass that level of resistance, simple as that.

I also disagree with removing Acausality FRA.
 
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Well I can't deny that having different laws doesn't give acausality, however that can be a supporting feat on how demons aren't bound to the flow of time in the human world. So I disagree now.
 
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Man what kind of shit am I getting into when I see people arguing over the removal of Acausality on DMC? What kind of world do we live in anymore? Anyways, am neutral on the removal.
 
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