Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 100

[Mr.Cinos15]

That's why I like the Xenoverse 2 version of those events honestly.

 

[Lollipop_The_King]

There is no logic in that conclusion, and it was hilarious.

Plain and simple.

Since liking it is illegal, I hereby change all of my previous listings to miscellaneous Hit moments.

I was responding to Unknown's "what did you like" thing, not you.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

@Lollipop_The_King yeah maybe it's because I'm a Lovecraft fan, but seeing something akin to an actual Eldritch horror was a pretty nice of change of scenery from how most villains were treated

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

*With the energy of like 10 people on Earth after Zamasu was able to tango with Blue Vegito

I think you mean Trunks

 

[Warren_Valion]

I think you mean Trunks

No, I meant that Zamasu was able to tango with Vegito, and then Trunks, who used the Spirit Bomb (I don't remember him training to learn it either) from like ten people, condensed it into his sword, and that had the power to cut that Zamasu in half and damage him to the point where instead of regenerating, he literally gave up on a physical body and became an abstract entity.

Did Trunks survive a beating from Blue Vegito before he defused?

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Ngl I personally disliked this arc retconning the Portara to being a finite fusion like the Fusion Dance, just seemed real unneascary to do and if Tori was concerned with unfusing Vegito he could've had them use the Namekian Dragon Balls to unfuse Vegito just like Kibito Kai

 

[Nullflowerblush]

To be fair, despite Elder Kai's affirmation, the two of them defused after entering Buuhan's body, so while it wasn't exactly not permanent, it kinda was not permanent.

 

[Ionliosite]

Potara fusion being permanent has been debunked since the Boo Saga, so idk what's people's issue with this.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Wasn't it explained at the time that it was due to Buu's weird physiology that caused Vegito to defuse or is that non existent?

 

[Warren_Valion]

Yeah, because of Buu's stomach's magic resonance, not because there is a time limit to it.

Elder Kai's warning to Goku about how fusing in a transformed state would reduce the fusses lifespan significantly because they would be in a permanent transformed state goes against the idea that mortals using the Potara only work for a limited time is a thing.

It's definitely a retcon, and a dumb one - having benefits and drawbacks made the two forms of fusion more unique and interesting.

 

[AKM sama]

because of Buu's stomach's magic resonance

Bad air ovo

 

[Ionliosite]

Yeah, because of Buu's stomach's magic resonance, not because there is a time limit to it.

Scans on this? You're right no time limit was mentioned, but I'm questioning the first part.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

Bad air reversing a permanent fusion makes no sense.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Goku hypothesizes it right after they defuse, AKM Sama's wording is right.

Goku believed that it was the air in Buu's stomach that caused them to defuse because Elder Kai explicitly stated that to him that the fusion was permeant.

Don't know the quality of the scan, but here's one I found.

 

[Warren_Valion]

Bad air reversing a permanent fusion makes no sense.

I don't see why not?

Magic disrupting magic makes perfect sense to me - hell, the Dragon Balls negating the Potara Fusion work on a similar concept.

Majin Buu is a being of magic, so the "bad air" or the magic resonance of his body, especially when it's pretty directly stated to be so, negating the Potara's seem fine to me.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Here's a clearer image of the scan @Warren_Valion

 

[Ionliosite]

So it's not actually stated to be the case, but just Goku making taking a guess? I don't think we should exactly trust him for something he doesn't really know about and isn't even sure of.

 

[Warren_Valion]

We can trust Elder Kai's statement about the Potara, since he, you know, is the one who introduces the concept in the first place.

Goku's speculation, while speculation, is only concluded based on Elder Kai's statements that the fusion is permeant.

So it's a fine assumption to believe that Goku's assumption is true, especially considering all the weird shit that Majin Buu's body can do.

 

[Warren_Valion]

@The_Unknown_Warrior1
Thanks for the better scan

 

[BlackeJan]

Ok so how does the power of fusion and portara earrings work? like does it take power of the 2 peoples current power lvl or how strong they are altogether? (Like the strength of the highest lvl of Goku/Vegeta)

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Well as far as Portara is concerned? It's generally agreed upon that it's the two fusees' power together and then some but in Super it's stated by Vados that it's like a 10x increaee of their combined power or something like that, I'm not to sure as the multipliers seem to be vary a lot.

 

[Nullflowerblush]

According to Elder Kai, it's greater than Metamoran Fusion, go figure. If I recall correctly, the El Manga Legendario stated it was comparable to Namekian Fusion, with the Daizenshuu or Super Exciting Guide stating that it's "A x B".

According to the SEG, it's "A x B", which kind of makes no sense if it's stronger than Metamoran. Maybe it's "(A x B) x compatibility boost".

According to Super, it's "10x(A + B)".

 

[BlastX]

I usually just headcanon it combined the power of their components at their strongest and then some (for example:Base Vegerot is SS3 Goku + SS2 Vegeta + rival boost in the buu saga)

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

Ok so how does the power of fusion and potato earrings work?

 

[BlackeJan]

I hate autocorrect so ******* much

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Base Vegerot

sin.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

I think it was the Viz Media translation that called him Vegerot, though if you go by the OG pronunciation of Kakarot being Kakarotto then it's Vegetto.

 

[LordTracer]

Vegetto is best spelling

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Though shouldn't it techinally be Vegertto because of Kakartto?

 

[BlackeJan]

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Though shouldn't it techinally be Vegertto because of Kakartto?

Vegeta Kakarotto

 

[Nullflowerblush]

All I'm seeing is Vegito.

 

[LordTracer]

Where does the i come from

 

[Dust_Collector]

The i comes from the fourth letter in Vegitas name obviously

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

I mean, technically it does. Given iirc it's based on the japanese pronounciation where it's like "Vegitah". But I could be wrong.

 

[The_Unknown_Warrior1]

Also interesting feat in the SDBH manga:
Janemba's new form has this ability where he produces so much ki that it practically makes him impossible to hurt unless it's from an attack or person higher then his power output

 

[Zamasu_Chan]

I mean, technically it does. Given iirc it's based on the japanese pronounciation where it's like "Vegitah". But I could be wrong.

It’s Bejita.

 

[Listentomyrhytm]

Ah I see... huh.

 

[Dominodalek]

Also interesting feat in the SDBH manga:
Janemba's new form has this ability where he produces so much ki that it practically makes him impossible to hurt unless it's from an attack or person higher then his power output

I forgot Remodelled Janemba had that in the manga. Unfortunately Janemba doesn't have much else to work with, beyond an old Time Travel feat when he went from Fusion Reborn to the Baby Saga.

 

[LordTracer]

It’s Bejita.

So what I’m hearing is that it should be Bejitarotto