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Enerjak vs Yogiri
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Rikimarox2
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From what I heard, Type 2 conceptual manip can affect acausality type 5 beings, so there's that.
Though, I'm not seeing any death manip resistances on Enerjak's resistances, so... Yogiri exists.
Though, I'm not seeing any death manip resistances on Enerjak's resistances, so... Yogiri exists.
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I don't see resistance to Matter Manipulation on Yogiri's page, which is Enerjak's opening move.
Rikimarox2
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The moment Enerjak thinks of doing anything harmful to Yogiri, he would have died. That's how Yogiri work. Yogiri's attack works the moment someone thinks of doing something harmful to him.
Oliver_de_jesus
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Nor do I remember that enerjak has been shown to affect an abstract being through his manipulation of matter. (Which in itself makes no sense but this is fiction)
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Wait, is this Avatar Enerjak or True Enerjak? True Enerjak is an abstract (type 1) and should be able to effect others like himself.
Rikimarox2
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Even if he could affect Yogiri, what can he do against his death manip? The moment Enerjak thinks of doing absolutely anything hostile to Yogiri, he ded.
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Doesn’t Enerjak encompass a reality that’s higher into 2-A than ID’s?
Edit: Asking as I’m just curious, the outcome depends on the answer. I don’t want to be the guy who rains on Yogiri’s parade for the googolplexianth time
Edit: Asking as I’m just curious, the outcome depends on the answer. I don’t want to be the guy who rains on Yogiri’s parade for the googolplexianth time
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Maybe. The Chaos Force exists outside the space-time of an infinite multiverse and True Enerjak is one with it.
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I was talking about the massive scaling off of these things
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Well, in ID the 'sea' is basically is where infinite heavenly records / universes is resides. Basically 'sea' is considering outside of space and time of infinite universes since each heavenly records / universes are enclosed within bondaries called canopies. And yet, despite the enemy attack from the 'sea' yogiri attack can still reach it.
Rikimarox2
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Wait, what does AP has to do with anything here? I'm pretty sure ID will just kill Enerjak regardless of his AP.
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Sorry, i just want to input something. The latest chapter in ID (last chapter volume 10) it was said that there is another 'sea' / multiverse besides the 'sea' / multiverse that yogiri currelenty in. Does that count to something? I mean author never state that there is only one 'sea'.
Edit : also, I already said about 'sea' above, but I am going to said again. Basically the author depict 'sea' as larger world where each heavenly records exist or maybe it's what you're calling world or reality outside of space and time of multiverse. And yes, yogiri attack can reach the 'sea'. So, I don't see the reason yogiri outrange here.
With madoka he lose because there is two multiverse in madoka verse and so he got outrange.
Edit : also, I already said about 'sea' above, but I am going to said again. Basically the author depict 'sea' as larger world where each heavenly records exist or maybe it's what you're calling world or reality outside of space and time of multiverse. And yes, yogiri attack can reach the 'sea'. So, I don't see the reason yogiri outrange here.
With madoka he lose because there is two multiverse in madoka verse and so he got outrange.
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Rikimarox2
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If his multiverse' size is larger than baseline, then maybe. Not AP though, so scaling chains and all those are kinda useless, as long as the size of that multiverse is baseline in terms of size.
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Archieverse is far above Baseline 2-A.
If this is true, Enerjak stomps
If not, Yogiri stomps
If this is true, Enerjak stomps
If not, Yogiri stomps
Rikimarox2
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Actually, now that I remember, multiverse size only matters if YOU are the multiverse. Like Madoka for example. I don't think Enerjak is the size of the multiverse, so...
Edit: Nevermind, Enerjak is Omnipresent. Now, the only thing we need to know is if the archie has a baseline Multiverse size (Not AP).
Edit: Nevermind, Enerjak is Omnipresent. Now, the only thing we need to know is if the archie has a baseline Multiverse size (Not AP).
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Just going to point this one out, Puella cosmology is not as simple as a pair of 2-A Multiverse. It is 2 set of Infinite numbers of 2-A Multiverse.
Thinks of it as a couple of Library, with each Library contains Infinite number of bookcase, with each bookcase contains Infinite numbers of books.
Books = Universe, Bookcase = 2-A Multiverse, and Library itself is what contained the bookcases.
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Of course it is matter, the point of being Abstract is that you gotta destroy all of their abstraction to kill them.
I even made a thread about the range thing.
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since when does PMMM have 2 infinite x infinitely multiverse?As far as I know,world of witches and world of wraiths is only two infinite multiverses,I haven't completed Magia Record story so I don't know is there any new feat or not
Rikimarox2
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I mean, if Enerjak is also larger than the ID multiverse, then I don't think Yogiri can do jack to him. If he isn't though, then Yogiri just thinks.
I'm not voting rn.
I'm not voting rn.
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Since @YungManzi make a choice, I also will make a choice. I go with yogiri since, enerjak doesn't have resistance to death manip. Also considering yogiri power can automatically activated even if the enemies not doing anything but still considered as literal threat to yogiri.
Edit : is there clarification sonic verse above 2-A baseline? If not I vote for yogiri.
Edit : is there clarification sonic verse above 2-A baseline? If not I vote for yogiri.
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I send you a message since discussing it here would be derailing the thread.
Rikimarox2
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All I know is, in AP, they are much higher than Yogiri. But in size? Idk.
I'm honestly also leaning towards Yogiri, but I'll wait until someone tells me the size of the archie verse.
I'm honestly also leaning towards Yogiri, but I'll wait until someone tells me the size of the archie verse.
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Archieverse is FAR from baseline 2-A lol!
(I'm not too knowledgeable about the verse myself so pardon me if I made a mistake) I think the main AP/size of the verse's scaling comes from: SGW>>>chaos force>>>great harmony>>>Sonic/Mega-Man's infinite multiverses>baseline 2-A.
(I'm not too knowledgeable about the verse myself so pardon me if I made a mistake) I think the main AP/size of the verse's scaling comes from: SGW>>>chaos force>>>great harmony>>>Sonic/Mega-Man's infinite multiverses>baseline 2-A.
Rikimarox2
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I don't know shit about Sonic, but we're talking about the multiverse'size here, not AP. Is there like multiple infinite multiverses in the verse, and is Enerjak the size of all those multiverses?
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You would need to ask an Archie expert tbh, since I vaguely remember the great harmony being the main reason why the verse is way above baseline 2-A in terms of AP AND size (I'm more knowledgeable about the games and the current IDW versions of the characters tbh).
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IIRC Shadow (the sonic expert, not the character) explained that the Chaos Force encompasses Maginaryworld, which encompasses Megaman's and Sonic's multiverses (which are both baseline 2-A iirc).
Rikimarox2
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I mean, if he is the size of all those Multiverse, then I don't think Yogiri can affect him.
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Hmm, can i ask something? In ID Multiverse basically heavenly records / universes can create parallel timeline. So one universes basically can have two or more timeline. Is the multiverse still considered as baseline 2-A? Also yogiri true form basically exist in all those timeline.
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1) No, it isn't baseline. But we have no idea how many timelines could be in one heavenly record other than the baseline 2.
So it's: An infinite multiverse of structures which = 2 timelines.
Idk what this would mean for range though.
2) There's also the fact that the distance between heavenly records in the ID verse is several times larger than heavenly records themselves, so that could account for range.
The counter to this was that "Well all universes in any multiverse are assumed to have considerable distance between them, so this really means nothing." But this is nonsense as assumptions will always be inferior to confirmations. And "considerable distance" doesn't mean they are as far apart as heavenly records BEACAUSE it's an assumption.
So it's: An infinite multiverse of structures which = 2 timelines.
Idk what this would mean for range though.
2) There's also the fact that the distance between heavenly records in the ID verse is several times larger than heavenly records themselves, so that could account for range.
The counter to this was that "Well all universes in any multiverse are assumed to have considerable distance between them, so this really means nothing." But this is nonsense as assumptions will always be inferior to confirmations. And "considerable distance" doesn't mean they are as far apart as heavenly records BEACAUSE it's an assumption.
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Basically; if you REALLY want to wank Yogiri, you could probably give him enough range to match up against most 2-A's, especially now with the second sea. including puella.
Because you'd have infinite 2-A multiverses (One heavenly record =infinite timelines) with the distance between each multiverse being several times larger than the multiverse itself, and there being at least a second infinite 2-A multiverse that Yogiri can also destroy because he's stated to be the end of existence itself and capable of destroying existence.
That's 2 x Infinite x 2 or 3 x Infinite.
Because you'd have infinite 2-A multiverses (One heavenly record =infinite timelines) with the distance between each multiverse being several times larger than the multiverse itself, and there being at least a second infinite 2-A multiverse that Yogiri can also destroy because he's stated to be the end of existence itself and capable of destroying existence.
That's 2 x Infinite x 2 or 3 x Infinite.
