One-Punch Man CRT! Big Updates!

[Phoenks]

One-Punch Man Revisions​

Updates to one-punch man! Most of this is pretty straightforward. Just upgrades to most of the relevant characters based on all the last chapters of OPM.
Tell me what you think below.

(My apologies if some of the links don't work. This was pasted from a sandbox)

Psykos​

All of this regards to Psykos fusion with Orochi, aka Psyrochi, Neuron Psykos, or Fusion Psykos. Not her base.

The first attack Psykos used against Tatsumaki is High 6-A via this calc (5.9 Petatons end). This was agreed to just be one of her normal blast that was swung across the landscape, causing mass destruction (Not just one giant blast). Tatsumaki is also fearful that her other normal blast could do the same thing, shown here. What I'm getting at here is that all of her beams have High 6-A potency, not just the one she used first. So she should be fully High 6-A, Multi-Continent level

As for her powers, she gains Blessed (Was given power by "God"), Large Size (At least Type 2, higher via Absorption), Shapeshifting, Regeneration (High-Mid. Regenerated from her body being twisted like a tornado by Tatsumaki), Absorption (Can absorb living things through her "flesh roots"), Energy Projection, Breath Attack, Energy Manipulation, Danmaku, Statistics Amplification (Through absorbing entities she seems to become bigger and more powerful), and Extrasensory Perception (Can track psychic auras)

She should also have something at the end of her abilities section stating she likely has many powers of Orochi as well, considering she is fused with him.

Tatsumaki​

Tatsumaki scales to Fusion Psykos via surviving her big energy blast (This is proof of her barrier's durability), and competently fighting against her throughout Chapter 133. In chapter 134 she easily washes Psyrochi as well. She should be High 6-A, scaling a good amount above Fusion Psykos.

She gains Aura, Extrasensory Perception (Instantly located Psykos from over a kilometer away by sensing small amounts of her psychic energy), Pain Tolerance (Shook off and fought through severe damage and large cuts in her hands inflicted by Fusion Psykos), and Resistance to Gravity Manipulation (Treated Gyoro Gyoro's 300x Gravity like a complete joke)

Tatsumaki's lifting strength should be upgraded to Class P via this calculation.

Genos​

Genos has gotten quite a bit of unexpected upgrades.

First off, due to this calculation, he either needs an additional key for this set of armor. I will call it "Post-Superfight" or we can just upgrade Post-G4 since nothing really changes between these two sets except his stats.

So we get: At least High 7-C. 7-B with Jet Drive Arrow (For this key)

He is only 7-B with his Jet Drive Arrow and possibly his finishing attack he uses against EC. It would be dumb to scale his normal small blast and punches to that value.

Next~!

He needs another key for his dragon-like armor. I can't find an official name so I will simply go with "Post-Elder Centipede"

This key gains Homing Attack and Statistics Amplification (Can enter a "Full Power" mode in which his power, speed, and agility are increased immensely for 10 seconds)

Here is what I'm suggesting for his Post-Elder Centipede Attack Potency section, including justifications.

At least Small City level+ (Should be a lot stronger than before. One-shot G5). Up to Large Country level+, likely Continent level with Full Power (Deflected a large energy attack from a weakened Psyrochi that could have severely damaged Tatsumaki. Was able to deflect the trajectory of Psyrochi's proceeding attacks and stated that just a single one of his attacks could pulverize even a giant meteor). Multi-Continent level with the True Spiral Incineration Cannon (Matched Fusion Psykos. Is far more powerful than all his prior attacks as it is his last resort)

In chapter 133 manages to deflect a full power beam from Psyrochi while at the peak of his "Full Power" mode. Although she was considerably weakened after being blown apart by Tatsumaki, she did regenerate a good amount and was only slightly smaller than her previous self. Due to this, I think Genos' Full-Power Mode would be "Up to High 6-B, likely 6-A". Psyrochi was previously around 6 petatons (Nearly baseline High 6-A), so any considerable downscale would land you in these tiers.

To be more precise, here's a scaling chain:

5.9 Petatons = Peak Psyrochi > Weakened Psyrochi > Full-Power Genos

This weakness that he can only use Full-Power for 10-seconds should be added to his profile as well.

Phoenix Man​

Phoenix Man gains Mind Manipulation, Astral Projection (Sent Child Emperor into a Mental Area of his own creation), Pocket Reality Manipulation (Refers to his mental/spiritual space as his personal space and seems to have control over it), and Telepathy (Talked to Child Emperor with his mind)

Child Emperor​

Child Emperor gains limited Resistance to Mind Manipulation via willpower (Temporarily broke out of Phoenix's Man's Mental Area)

Saitama​

Saitama gains Non-Physical Interaction by being able to physically interact with Phoenix Man's spiritual/mind plane. He also gains Telepathy (Heard Phoenix Man and Child Emperor's mental conversation). Though, this should probably be "limited" as he has not shown to speak to others like this himself.

Garou​

Garou's half-monster key should get split into two separate keys. Half-Monster and Post-Darkshine (Better name suggestions would be appreciated). Because it is stupid to assume he can go from 7-B to High 6-C in the span of just one battle. In the manga and webcomic it takes him multiple loses and near-death experiences for this to happen, and in-between fighting Darkshine and Golden Sperm, he has a complete transformation off-screen, where he gets a blatant boost in power. Here are my suggestions for his tiers:

High 7-C | At least Low 7-B, up to 7-A via Reaction Evolution | High 6-C | High 6-A

Key: Human Garou | Half-Monster Garou | Post-Darkshine Fight | Awakened Garou

The current justifications will just need to be split.

Multiple People Who Now Scale to Genos​

People who scale to this new 7-B+ (83 megatons) with reasons:

Elder Centipede: Scales up significantly (Fodderized that version of Genos. And his 7-B+ feat only managed to break their tooth). Should be put at 7-A.

Bang & Bomb: Scales up significantly (Their combined attack destroyed EC's shell, much more than what Genos managed to do). Should be put at 7-A.

Superalloy Darkshine: Scales to Bang. 7-A.

Half-Monster Garou: Upper limit of his tier sales to Darkshine. 7-A.

Flashy Flash: Scales to Half-Monster Garou. 7-A.

Homeless Emperor: Knocked out bang with a single of his energy blast. 7-A (Only his energy spheres)

Overgrown Rover: Scales above Bang, Bomb, and Garou. 7-A.

Possibly Black Sperm: Scales far above Atomic Samurai, Bang, Genos, etc. 7-A. (Durability doesn't scale)

Possibly Atomic Samurai: Darkshine stated he'd defeat Half-Monster Garou in an instant. 7-A.

Possibly Sweet Mask: Should be comparable to Atomic Samurai. 7-A.

Possibly Evil Natural Water: Scales above Sweet Mask and Atomic Samurai. 7-A.

Possibly Gale Wind & Hellfire Flame Monster Form: Both caused noticeable injuries to Flashy Flash, but are noticeably weaker. 7-B+

Carnage Kabuto Carnage Mode: Fought and pushed Darkshine for 15 minutes straight. 7-A

Possibly Gouketsu: Stated to be superior to Carnage Kabuto by Genos. 7-A

Other Stuff​

Orochi loses his "possibly Low 6-B" as there is no way he is comparable to a prime Tatsumaki, considering even a fusion of him and Psykos is struggling against her. Golden Sperm loses Low 6-B as well due to the webcomic not being compatible with manga scaling at this point.
Please change God back to just being "Unknown". He has absolutely no feats.

Votes:
Agree Completely: Oliver_de_jesus, LordTracer, Emirp sumitpo, JirensMom1, Dual_Binoculars, Js250476, Ryukama
Agree (But is iffy on certain things): ByAsura, Tetsucabrah, GyroNutz
Neutral:
Disagree:

Votes for the Genos' 7-B/7-A Upscaling Specifically:
Agree: GyroNutz
Neutral: Tetsucabrah
Disagree: ByAsura

 

[Oliver_de_jesus]

makes sense to me

 

[LordTracer]

I agree with everything here.

 

[Adem_Warlock69]

This makes sense

 

[Emirp sumitpo]

I agree to this

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Would any of this affect the other Cadres like Homeless? Homeless at least in the WC knocked out Bang with some of his light orbs. Also other S-class like Drive Knight, Metal Knight and Child Emperor with brave would they scale to 7-B Genos?

 

[JirensMom]

I also agree.

 

[Phoenks]

Going to @ some of the main supporting staff of OPM.

@Matthew_Schroeder @Damage3245 @WeeklyBattles @Ryukama @GyroNutz @Qawsedf234 @KGiffoni @AKM sama

And some other members.

@SuperAPM @ElixirBlue @USklaverei @Ourosboros

 

[Phoenks]

Would any of this affect the other Cadres like Homeless? Homeless at least in the WC knocked out Bang with some of his light orbs. Also other S-class like Drive Knight, Metal Knight and Child Emperor with brave would they scale to 7-B Genos?

Homeless knocking out bang? I don't remember that. Can I get a scam?

Drive Knight, Metal Knight, and Child Emperor have nothing to do with Genos iirc.

Though, I think I forgot to include Drive Knight's 7-B upgrade that was being discussed.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Homeless knocking out Bang is listed as justification in his Attack Potency.

 

[Phoenks]

Huh, I guess he does scale to 7-A with his energy blast then.

What do you guys think about the people with "possibly" before their name scaling to Genos, though?

Some people seem to think Black Sperm shouldn't scale at all.

 

[Js250476]

This all looks good I agree

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

It all looks good to me. Although I wish we could scale more people to 7-B Genos. Post-Super Fight Genos being massively superior to most Dragon levels threats and some of the stronger S-Class at this point feels a bit off to me imo.

 

[Phoenks]

Keep in mind that Jet Drive Arrow is the strongest (or second strongest) attack of Post-Super Fight Genos that's been shown (And is one of his last resorts). His base self is still weaker than most dragons. And that manga Genos is a lot stronger than webcomic Genos.

 

[ByAsura]

The blessed by god comment seems more figurative than literal. I'm also somewhat iffy on the Genos scaling (that calculation has only been half-accepted and it's probably an outlier).

Other than that, I agree completely.

 

[Ourosboros]

Ah no, the blessed by god comment is quite literal. The way Psyrochi phrases it at first makes it sound like a metaphor, but as you'll see in the final panel she says the following as she looks upon God's avatar:
"...a mysterious power was flowing into me. In that instant, I was enlightened about my destiny".
Meaning that God granted her additional power, like he did to Homeless Emperor.

And about the Jet Drive Arrow, the calc is surely an outlier for Genos, who is generally considered a high demon in his post-superfight form, but it should reasonably scale to the more powerful dragon level fighters via Elder Centipede. Genos himself is not normally 7-B+, at least not in that form.

 

[ByAsura]

Ok.

It still seems like an outlier. It isn't really even a feat, it's just the flame produced by Genos' leg.

 

[Dual_Binoculars]

Wait hold up I just noticed. Why would Genos not fully scale to the 7-B? All the energy of the JDA was concentrated on his foot. That's a durability feat right?

 

[ByAsura]

Wasn't it being produced from Genos' leg, like a jet? It's not exactly a durability feat either, even in this case. Although he'd need some kind of durability to survive the thrust that produces without getting his leg ripped off.

 

[Phoenks]

Her getting power from god has been discussed a lot and the consensus currently is that she was indeed given power by Opm's god. Similar to how Homeless Emperor got his powers.

^ Was ninja'd one that.

Jet Drive Arrow is one of Post-Super Fight Genos' most powerful moves and is the only move he has shown with that level of potency. It's the only attack from him that came close to hurting Elder Centipede aside from the final blast he did while in it's the stomach. I don't think it's an outlier. I do think that flames were an explosion, similar to his other attacks.

Btw no, his other attacks do not scale to that.

 

[ByAsura]

I agree there now.

It's not really even a move or feat, is what I'm saying. He does it once and never anything like it, despite the feat literally being a jet stream coming out of his feat. It's also not an explosion, just a uniform energy blast-type attack.

Edit: Maybe we could meet in the middle and say "possibly".

 

[Ourosboros]

Ok.

It still seems like an outlier. It isn't really even a feat, it's just the flame produced by Genos' leg.

The flame is the jet fuel that Genos is using to push his foot through EC's tooth. Think of it like a rocket jetstream propelling a missile into the tooth at massively hypersonic speeds. All of the energy in the giant flame is being conveyed through the foot into EC's tooth, because it is just one giant propulsion fume. It should also be noticed that Genos was also not burnt to a crisp by the flames, so that's another durability thing.

Although Genos's durability in this form is technically 7-B+ via Wolff's law, the reason why we want to count it as at least High 7-C, is because Genos put far more energy in JDA than he did his attacks versus Garou. If we scale his AP fully to this attack, it would imply that HH Garou and many other demon level fighter scale to JDA, even though this is not the case.

 

[ByAsura]

I think Genos not being burned to a crisp substantiates my argument, if anything. It's just a flame that Murata put no thought into scaling to other characters. There's not even much evidence that it far attacks like the ultra incineration spiral.

Also, what does Wolff's law have to do with this?

 

[Ourosboros]

I think Genos not being burned to a crisp substantiates my argument, if anything. It's just a flame that Murata put no thought into scaling to other characters. There's not even much evidence that it far attacks like the incineration spiral.

Also, what does Wolff's law have to do with this?

Wait, shoot, I'm dumb and tired. Wolff's law has nothing to do with this, in the sense that Genos has no bones. I meant Genos's durability should scale to energy of the blast, because the 84 megatons of energy is being conveyed through the foot.

As to what Murata meant to do with this feat, it's impossible to say without asking him directly. But without speculation, it is clear that the attack is meant to demonstrate how much energy is required to overcome Elder Centipede's enormous durability. Metal Bat's swings could not, Metal Knight's missiles could not but JDA and Bang and Bomb's attack could. JDA was strong enough to break the tooth and Bang and Bombs attack was strong enough to break the entire carapace. Although the feat is admittedly flashy, I suppose the idea is to convey that an enormous amount of energy is needed to overwhelm EC's durability

 

[ByAsura]

Ok. Do you mean newton's third law?

His tooth is not his carapace. Most of EC's internals are portrayed as far weaker than his carapace.

How about we meet in the middle and say "possibly" City level+ with Jet Drive Arrow/other attacks.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Genos wouldn't have to withstand the 84 Megatons of force if he plowed through his target. But EC matching the forward thrust of it and holding Genos in place could mean he'd have to deal with the equal counterforce until the tooth broke. Though I'm not 100% sure how it works physics wise.

 

[Ourosboros]

Another good point ByAsura, there is a durability difference between EC's tooth and EC's carapace. I edited the wording from carapace to durability which is what I meant to say. If anything, it goes to show that Bang and Bomb are considerably superior to JDA because they were able to overcame the carapace where Genos was forced to target the weaker teeth.

And yes, I meant to say Newtons third's law.

 

[Kin201]

BTW, do we have a better justification for Sweet Mask 7A's rating? I think Fuhrer Ugly should scale to his base form. Sweet Mask was assaulted and suffered injuries. He looked fine probably because of his regeneration. Sweet Mask in the webcomic was also severely beaten but he looked totally fine even after Saitama beat Garou.

 

[Qawsedf234]

Garou not killing Mask is more about Garou holding back than Mask being tough. The 7-A rating would come from BS scaling, though it's an iffy area.

 

[DarkDragonMedeus]

Looking at the thread, I think Asura is making sense here.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Murata draws the feats are outrageous as possible to make the characters look powerful. You can't just say "he didn't realize how powerful he was making this particular feat therefore it's an outlier."
The original Genos mountaintop calc was deemed an outlier for a similarly bogus reason.

 

[ByAsura]

That's not what I said. I said it happened once and Murata doesn't actually care about the yield, just making it flashy. What you said really just proves my point, if anything.

And it was bogus in the end. It's been recalculated.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

How does that prove your point. By that logic every time a character doesn't fire off attacks of the same volume, it makes the strongest one an outlier.
It's not a spammable attack. Genos has not needed to use a Jet Drive Arrow of that scale so he doesn't done it again.

 

[ByAsura]

This isn't the strongest attack, though. It's not even really a feat, just the energy produced by his jet, which is purposely flashy. As Ourosboros says, Murata just drew this to be flashy and convey the energy needed to break EC's tooth.

 

[Ourosboros]

Well, I don't think Murata calculates the exact yield or anything, but he does intentionally frame his panels in a certain way to convey how large a feat is supposed to be. Murata knows how to frame a certain attack to be continental, country or city level via perspective. Psykorochi's beam is seen from orbit, the Serious Punch from a higher angle, Tatsumaki's coast lift from the upper atmosphere and many dragon level feats from a height of several hundred to several thousand meters. The Jet Drive Arrow feat is seen from a height of what I would guess is 500-600 meters, framed against the diminutive trees to indicate that the plume is kilometers in size. Did Murata have all those numbers in mind when he drew the feat? Probably not, but he clearly thought about the height of the trees, the width of the carapace and the relative size of the plume when he drew the feat. Looking at the calc, you'll see a relative degree of consistency surrounding Elder Centipede's size.

There's a reason so many dragon calcs are consistently low end 7-B, high end 7-A (Gouketsu and Beefcake come to mind), because Murata frames these feats in a certain context. They are very flashy, but are also intended to convey similarly intense levels of power. JDA is no exception and actually fits quite well into that ordering, since it places EC's durability in the same ballpark as the mid end result of Gouketsu's cloud split feat and a little below Beefcake's Kep sized low end.

 

[Tetsucabrah]

Well, I don't think Murata calculates the exact yield or anything, but he does intentionally frame his panels in a certain way to convey how large a feat is supposed to be. Murata knows how to frame a certain attack to be continental, country or city level via perspective. Psykorochi's beam is seen from orbit, the Serious Punch from a higher angle, Tatsumaki's coast lift from the upper atmosphere and many dragon level feats from a height of several hundred to several thousand meters. The Jet Drive Arrow feat is seen from a height of what I would guess is 500-600 meters, framed against the diminutive trees to indicate that the plume is kilometers in size. Did Murata have all those numbers in mind when he drew the feat? Probably not, but he clearly thought about the height of the trees, the width of the carapace and the relative size of the plume when he drew the feat. Looking at the calc, you'll see a relative degree of consistency surrounding Elder Centipede's size.

There's a reason so many dragon calcs are consistently low end 7-B, high end 7-A (Gouketsu and Beefcake come to mind), because Murata frames these feats in a certain context. They are very flashy, but are also intended to convey similarly intense levels of power. JDA is no exception and actually fits quite well into that ordering, since it places EC's durability in the same ballpark as the mid end result of Gouketsu's cloud split feat and a little below Beefcake's Kep sized low end.

Yeah this 1000%

 

[ByAsura]

But it's literally just a flame coming from Genos' leg. It's not a city being destroyed (this was actually done by ONE), or a continent sized landmass being cut from the Earth's surface and suspended into space, which would give anyone a sense of exactly how powerful the feat is.

Beefcake and Gouketsu are two very high-end Dragon level characters, as is EC. Even the Jet Drive Arrow barely broke through the tooth of EC, who is much weaker than both of them, so this actually proves it's an inconsistency.

 

[Phoenks]

How does the fact that it only broke the tooth of a high-end dragon level prove it's an inconsistency?

 

[AKM sama]

The attack she used first against Tatsumaki is High 6-A via this calc (5.9 Petatons end).

First of all, it should be standard procedure and common sense to mention all the calculated ends at the bottom of the blog in bold and make it clear which value is accepted. There are almost 90 comments and 3 versions, nobody is gonna search through all of it. Someone should remind the calcer to do this

What I'm getting at here is that all of her beams have High 6-A potency, not just the one she used first.

So this will be just for her AP rating then?

Other than that, I trust ByAsura's judgment.
.

 

[Ourosboros]

How do we know Beefcake and Gouketsu are far stronger than Elder Centipede? Elder Centipede is a threat level dragon, and the general consensus is that he's a higher end dragon level threat whose overbearing durability puts him on par with the likes of Gouketsu and Beefcake.

The fact that Metal Knight's rockets, which are individually High 7-C and were cumulatively 7-B against the meteor did not damage his carapace, and that Metal Bat's swings, which are likely low 7-B at that point, only served to annoy him is significant. Jet Drive Arrow being several magnitudes above these attacks (and placing EC in this upper tier camp) does not contradict any prior scaling I know of.