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Ness vs. IT

Does Ness have a way to get pass that Non-Corporeality, Low-High Regen and Type 9 Immortality? Anyway, I think the clown takes this via Reality Warping and Spatial Manipulation.
 
Should probably restrict Type 9. But even then, Pennywise has generally better abilities as mentioned by Paulo above.
 
I... actually think Ness might take this. I mean, Ness has beat non-corporeal enemies before, Pennywise's regen won't help him if his mind is being attacked. I read somewhere that type 9 immortality is restricted by default if there is no way of getting past it, so...
 
First off? Trying to take a dip into Pennywise's mind is a stupid idea. Its 7-C key is only a manifestation on Earth. Even if you manage to mentally invade the clown, IT's true mind still exists within the Deadlights. Putting two and two together should tell you all you need to know.

Second, I only see Ness's mind resistance in his 3-A key. This battle is 7-C versions only, so that's going to suck for him.

That said, the outcome of this match is going to depend on what Ness is deathly afraid of. (As well as on whether or not Ness tries to go for any sort of telepathic approach here, since again, he's not going to have a good time if he tries to look at Pennywise's mind)
 
Penguinkingpin said:
@Noah. Ok, gonna play Devil's advocate, are the really non-corporeal or are they intangible?
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Judging from the way the game describes them, they seem to be non-corporeal.
 
MrKingOfNegativity said:
First off? Trying to take a dip into Pennywise's mind is a stupid idea. Its 7-C key is only a manifestation on Earth. Even if you manage to mentally invade the clown, IT's true mind still exists within the Deadlights. Putting two and two together should tell you all you need to know.
Second, I only see Ness's mind resistance in his 3-A key. This battle is 7-C versions only, so that's going to suck for him.

That said, the outcome of this match is going to depend on what Ness is deathly afraid of. (As well as on whether or not Ness tries to go for any sort of telepathic approach here, since again, he's not going to have a good time if he tries to look at Pennywise's mind)
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Ness isn't really afraid of anything, so I don't think fear manip will work too well.
 
It's not about whether or not 'fear manipulation' will work. I ask this because 7-C Pennywise (read: its manifestation on Earth) literally reads its victims mind and transforms itself into their worst fear. Physically.

The note about how IT's durability 'depends on its shape' is for that exact reason. If it turns into fire, it has the durability of fire. If it turns into a sentient building, it has the durability of a building. If it turns into a rabid dog, it gains the durability of a rabid dog.

If it turns into one of Ness's enemies, it gains the durability of said enemy. While retaining its other mind-manipulating powers.
 
Well when Ness removed the influence of Giygas, who is essentially the embodiment of evil itself, from his mind, his powers increased tremendously, increasing him to 3-A. So 7-C Ness most likely still has Giygas influencing his mind. Pennywise would likely turn into a lesser version of Giygas that Ness still would be unable to defeat.

What are some of Pennywise's reality warping feats?
 
Doesn't IT's Reality Warping come from creating illusins that can actually harm the victims? Or does he have other Reality Warping feats?
 
Don't know if anyone brought up this before, but there are some interesting weaknesses in Penny's profile, such as Phychic energy, and courage. And if mother as tought me something, is that:

a) Ness is psychic (duh)

b) People like to tell Ness how courageous he as become trought the course of his adventure. Facing enemies he never knew or how terrifying they were never was a problem for him,so eventually, he should be able to escape Penny's control in some time.

other thing is, as some thread have put it, Ness mind control is more like a zap to the brain, more than just controlling it, so he should be able to attack Penny's mind whitout falling for his influence, or with the danger of not hitting it.

Also, I don't know if this counts, but Ness was unaffected by Mr. Carpainter abilities, wich was capable to affect the entire Happy Happy village to falling into his words and start controlling them. He wasn't capable of controlling Ness, even when they started to fight. So i guess Ness as some kind of resistance to Mind manipulation very early in the game?

The only thing I can think of Ness being afraid is his homesick in some way? Since is like the mayor disadvantage he has in the story, but even that isn't that big of the deal, since it only makes Ness start missing attacks more frecuently, but thats it.
 
7-C Pennywise's reality-warping comes from its illusions, yes. Things like assaulting people with illusions that only they could see, and actually physically harming them with said illusions. I'd need to go and collect instances of this, since there are quite a few times this happens from what I can remember.

Courage may help combat Pennywise, as would the resistance to nationwide-scale mind control. (since Pennywise's is exactly that) But IIRC the psychic energy bit largely refers to its true form in the Deadlights, since the Ritual of Chud functioned as a psychic battle with the creature itself and was the only real way the Losers Club were able to do it any lasting harm. And Ness is going to need a lot more psychic energy than what he currently has if he wants to defeat Pennywise that way, since during both Rituals, the Losers were empowered by this guy and this guy respectively. Trying to mind control Penny is also a horrendously stupid idea for this reason.

Saying Ness isn't afraid of anything at all would be NLFish unless that's explicitly stated somewhere in-canon.

Also, in regards to Pennywise's shapeshifting (nobody seems to have gone into that yet), 7-C Penny is unique in that its capable of transforming itself into multiples of something, such as swarms of piranhas and winged leeches. Probably not going to be turning into ten Giygas substitutes at once or anything, but this should still be noted.
 
Fights with its 7-C form aren't conventional, I'll say that much.

Really, a bunch of our novel characters on the wiki are great for VS debates. The problem is that a lot of people haven't read the source material said characters belong to. (Which is admittedly somewhat forgivable, since a single 400-page book can take longer to read through than 10 typical manga volumes depending on the material)
 
Okay although I'm not sure if mind controlling Everyone in a city justifies AP since that's hax I'm pretty sure
 
Penny's Town level rating isn't from controlling the townsfolk. It has control over the town of Derry itself (or at least its implied to) and actually formed part of the geological infrastructure of the town from its own being. It also arrived via a 'cataclysmic meteor impact', which should warrant that rating at least.

Also

Paulo.junior.969 said:
that novel is damn huge
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Most of Stephen King's books in a nutshell. lol
 
Ness does indeed have fears, don't get me wrong. There are just far less of them than you would expect, and he is capable of overcoming them. Ness doesn't really mind control often, it's more like he's just attacking it rather than looking into it. And Pennywise logically should not be able to transform into anything stronger than 7-C, so Ness has a fair chance.
 
Noahkaismith said:
Ness does indeed have fears, don't get me wrong. There are just far less of them than you would expect, and he is capable of overcoming them. Ness doesn't really mind control often, it's more like he's just attacking it rather than looking into it. And Pennywise logically should not be able to transform into anything stronger than 7-C, so Ness has a fair chance.
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But Pennywise has the better advantages
 
Noahkaismith said:
Ness does indeed have fears, don't get me wrong. There are just far less of them than you would expect, and he is capable of overcoming them. Ness doesn't really mind control often, it's more like he's just attacking it rather than looking into it. And Pennywise logically should not be able to transform into anything stronger than 7-C, so Ness has a fair chance.
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Yeah, I agree, it isn't a stomp, Ness does have some chances, but I still vote for IT, he seems more versatile.
 
Hitman987 said:
Noahkaismith said:
Ness does indeed have fears, don't get me wrong. There are just far less of them than you would expect, and he is capable of overcoming them. Ness doesn't really mind control often, it's more like he's just attacking it rather than looking into it. And Pennywise logically should not be able to transform into anything stronger than 7-C, so Ness has a fair chance.
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But Pennywise has the better advantages
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Such as?
 
I have the distinct feeling that I've seen Hitman987 before...

But yeah, I'll vote for Pennywise too. It's not going to be easy for either party, but I think ITs illusions, shapeshifting, mind reading and regen (which it still has in its 7-C key) should be enough for the thing to come out on top.

Unless I've miscounted, that puts us at 6:0 in favor of Pennywise.
 
Since Pennywise will win due to 7:X in some time, might aswell give my reasons for why I vote Ness.

I guess shapeshifting might be a problem, but to what extend is debeatable, since his AP doesn't change, his Non-Corporeality isn't that much of a problem, and again, Ness can just shock is mind, not enter in it, so I guess he can damage Penny's 7-C form with his powers.

His reality warping, for as far as I know, creates places where he can damage his victims physically, but Ness's shields should help aliviate the damage, and his healing should recover him to keep fighting.

Again, I don't know if we count the early game Mind resistance Ness has against Mind control, but if we do, he should be fine against Penny's powers.

Also, don't forget PK Flash. Considering his insta K.O powers, even if he can't get past Penny's regen, he can still KO him with it, and even the side effects of it (Confusion, Uncontrollable crying, etc) should help to weaken him over time.

I vote Ness
 
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