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Tier 2 Welcome Battle! Altair vs Lavos

Peter1129

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I said I'm doing it and I did it. Let's welcome Altair to Tier 2! Let's see if Altair can defeat the Dream Devourer.

Low 2-C Versions

Speed Equalized

Lavos: 2 (The real cal howard, TheJ-ManRequiem)

Altair (Re:Creators): 1 (Knightofannihilation666)

Inconclusive: 0
 
It does kind of depend on who uses their hax first. Both Altair and Lavos can kill each other pretty easily. I think.
 
Lavos wins solely by shutting down most of her options by being the epitome acausal...

Plus like, he has her hax but better...
 
What about Outline Origin. Couldn't Altair use it and just turn Lavos back to base or something.
 
Yeah giving this to Altair via Fate Manipulation, precog that allows her to see into a future, Power Nullification and the abilities of the Holopsicon.


Holopsicon Fourteenth Movement of Cosmos, The Vicissitude of Fortune: An ability which allows Altair to change the principles of cause and effect, she can use it to negate the effects of her opponents abilities, and if she is injured by an attack she can change the principle of cause and effect that follows that attack so that she won't be the one who is injured from receiving the attack, but her attacker instead becomes the one that is wounded by the attack.


Holopsicon Thirteenth Movement of Cosmos, Outline Origin: An ability which allows Altair to take plot twists that were added to a story, and bring them back to the beginning, when used on a character, all power ups that they have gained throughout their series will be removed, reverted them back to what they had at the beginning of their series.


Holopsicon Third Movement of Cosmos, Representation Exposition: Using her ability to revise stories, Altair can change things about her opponents, she used this ability to change Selesia's Sword Rebellion into a flower.
 
So currently one for Altair and one for Lavos. I feel like the description of Outline Origin needs to be changed a bit. Altair didn't say series. She said story instead which I think means how a character gained their powers before the start of the series is included as well.
 
I was gonna state her cause manip would do nothing to him, but then, would him being acasual effect her manipulating cause and effect on herself?

Obviously she can't do shit to him but why can't she do shit to herself?
 
Causality Manip against acausality. Legit.

Also this is the most obvious thread in existence because spam never ends.

Anyways I do believe this is stomp. Not even kidding.

Causality hax is useless due to acausality.

Messing up with one Lavos doesn't matter jack to acausal alternates coming along. Have fun.

And existence erasure is moot as well due to her opponent not only having Mid-Godly but being non existent as well.

Most of her other options are moot.

Also from what I know she's baseline Low 2-C while this Lavos starts at "way higher than baseline Low 2-C and and constantly goes up from there, being anywhere between way higher than Baseline Low 2-C and 2-A".

Not seeing how Altair has anything on this one.
 
So basically none of Altair's abilities can affect Lavos. Huh I thought it would be a bit close due to some of Altair's abilities such as Factor Mimic where she creates perfect copies of her opponent or maybe her Outline Origin which erases power ups.
 
Forgot to say but on top of all that she's massively outclassed in Range as well (Universal+ vs Multiversal+). Lavos has Power Mimicry of his own and like I mentioned above, Lavos is acausal. Doing whatever to the powers of one won't matter to the acausal alternates that will be coming along.

And I'm not sure on her making perfect copies over and over of a being that outclasses her on basically everything, lest we get "Altair can create copies of Elder God Demonbane".
 
Guess you're right so I guess close this and make something else tomorrow.
 
TheJ-ManRequiem said:
Altair can create copies of Elder God Demonbane.
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Pretty sure she can't do that lol. But she was shown to be able to make up to 18 copies in her video.
 
Ah sorry, let me reiterate.

I fully believe that Altair, who orginates from the media known as Re:Creators is fully capable of replicating perfect and controllable copies of the titular being Demonbane from the Demonbane series at its strongest known state which is dubbed Elder God Demonbane despite being several infinite orders of infinite below it in all possible categories and statistics.
 
@TheJ-ManRequiem

Funny thing is if you make a fanfic or fan art of her doing that she will gain the ability to do it.
 
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I feel like this thread has completely and utterly been derailed into something that should be in the fun and games board now.
 
FateAlbane said:
This should be the new meme.

"Altair wins via Demonbanes army."
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Let me guess this is going to be the new Gilgamesh via SBA Manipulation meme. Sword throwing characters who has an ability that became a meme. Sounds legit.
 
Ehh it's going to happen sooner or later but I guess I'll wait for somebody to make it since I don't know how to make one.
 
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