Son Goku vs. Ness

[Therefir]

And my argument that something like hypnosis or paralysis won't work to much in goku is because his experience and training, if he is falling sleep he can just hit himself to stay awake or don't work because his strong will, and paralysis don't work because the paralysis of beerus no longer affects them (for some reason beerus does not have paralysis in this wiki).


hi (sorry for my bad english)

 

[Anonimoe7875]

@Therefir

The moment Goku shoot a blast he get mind haxed.

Having strong will don't make someone resistant to paralysis, hitting himself wouldn't help agaisn't hypnosis.

Beerus don't have paralysis, he simply was feared by everyone.

 

[DMUA]

Actually, thinking about it, Ness should stomp. Change my vote.

How? Ness is base line universe level if I'm not mistaken, his forcefield can't protect him from goku's attacks and the moment that goku shoot a blast with ssj blue kaioken x10 or x20 (confirmed in the scans) ness will dissapear, he will appear again thanks to his inmortality but nothing will change and he will die again.

One word.


https://youtu.be/mSu7dTn7Dm4

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Anonimoe, Beerus actually does have TK, he uses it on Vegeta muktiple times and makes it so he cant move.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Let's not derail this thread.

 

[Trndo]

Goku is highly experience and trained to move on his own before thinking. Like muscle memory. Its been stated

 

[Anonimoe7875]

The time for throwing a punch is not comparable to the time you need to just make a thought.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

I'm pretty sure subconscious thoughts are still thoughts.

 

[Trndo]

Its a thought to transmission. Goku can nuke himself and still survive since hes stronger

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Ness would mind hax before he nukes.

Goku is teleporting at infinite speed but he isn't attacking at infinite speed.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Being able to "nuke himself and still survive" isn't going to help him against Ness' hax tho =/

 

[Schnee_One]

Come on.....Is this seriously a debate....

Ness Mindhaxes Goku to Oblivion before he can do shit, Goku has to actually, you know, move.

 

[Trndo]

Being able to "nuke himself and still survive" isn't going to help him against Ness' hax tho =/

Ness is going to die, even if Goku is a vegetable he will be the last man standing. Hes not tanking it

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Ness is going to die, even if Goku is a vegetable he will be the last man standing. Hes not tanking it

Goku can still fight after being mindhaxed? When has he done that?

 

[Trndo]

Ness is going to die, even if Goku is a vegetable he will be the last man standing. Hes not tanking it

Goku can still fight after being mindhaxed? When has he done that?

He doesnt need to fight it would, transmission kameha

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Then Ness comes back due to his limited Type 6 Immortality and haxes Goku to death.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

He doesnt need to fight it would, transmission kameha

He still need to move, when Ness doesn't.

 

[Trndo]

Then Ness comes back due to his limited Type 6 Immortality and haxes Goku to death.

He won't have a body to return too goku is bloodlusted

 

[Golden_Void]

Base Goku was held by Chiaotzu's TK for a few seconds and you guys think Ness can't do that a million times better?

 

[Trndo]

He doesnt need to fight it would, transmission kameha

He still need to move, when Ness doesn't.

Its teleportation, in an instant. Ness isnt moving that fast

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

If they're bloodlusted then Ness haxes as soon as the fight starts =|

 

[Schnee_One]

Actually, Goku is still not infinite himself, just his teleport, so he dies regardless due to not being able to end the fight with a thought

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Yeah he is moving in an instant with teleportation but the kamehameha don't have instant speed.

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

Its teleportation, in an instant. Ness isnt moving that fast

He would also need that charge the Kamehameha tho.

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Goku was also scratched by a bullet Unite, I'm not voting here but Goku's base form is widely inconsistent.

 

[SITHISIT]

this

is

a

stomp

Ness vs Beerus was considered in Ness's favor heavily when it was still alive and Beerus beat and can possibly stomp Goku in canon (if using 100%)

 

[Trndo]

Goku was also scratched by a bullet Unite, I'm not voting here but Goku's base form is widely inconsistent.

There fighting to there best of ther abilities. Every character in fiction has a low showing

 

[Trndo]

Its teleportation, in an instant. Ness isnt moving that fast

He would also need that charge the Kamehameha tho.

No he doesnt, if that was case he wouldnt hit Toppo

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

What? Im saying Goku being held by Chiaotzu and being scratched by the bullet are bullshit, not that i think it should be used as an argument.

 

[Trndo]

Ness has the power to kill a universal being with a thought? Thats above his paygrade

 

[Paulo.junior.969]

So, Goku's Kamehameha is instant too? Didn't know that -_-

 

[Eficiente]

Ness ftra.

 

[Trndo]

What? Im saying Goku being held by Chiaotzu and being scratched by the bullet are bullshit, not that i think it should be used as an argument.

Every character has a low showing this doesnt mean anything

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Well technically speaking nothing in this fight is instant, does he even need a kamehaneha? A single punch or ki blast should be enough.

 

[Trndo]

Well technically speaking nothing in this fight is instant, does he even need a kamehaneha? A single punch or ki blast should be enough.

This is true

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Trndo you clearly misunderstand me and I don't know how to make it any clearer after my last post, of course those are low end showings, they're outliers, that's what I'm saying. They're antifeats.

 

[Trndo]

Yeah I just dont understand why its even brought up if you know that then? Wells there antifeats for every character then

 

[TheJ-ManRequiem]

Because Unite brought up him being restrained by Chaotzu and I compared it to the bullet scratch as theyre both bullshit? Thats why.

 

[Anonimoe7875]

Well technically speaking nothing in this fight is instant, does he even need a kamehaneha? A single punch or ki blast should be enough.

This is true

Because Ness can mind hax with a thought while Goku need to move which take morre time.

 

[Trndo]

Because Unite brought up him being restrained by Chaotzu and I compared it to the bullet scratch as theyre both bullshit? Thats why.

So are we useing high and low showings then? Ness dies by ki pressure for being knife level