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Lillie, and Negacion

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Based off this post it's safe to say that Lillie Barro's attacks are indeed true light. They travel in a straight line, are reflected of mirrors(shinken Godkiller Sword), and meet the other requirements stated in this thread.

So I ask...why isn't Kyoraku scaled to FTL or AT LEAST FTL reaction and thus upgrades the entire Bleach Universe?
 
There's no indication that Lille Barro's attacks are actually light. The attack is composed of Reishi particles, which by definition means it's not light.
 
He used pure light to diffuse shadows, it reflected off mirrors, and Lillie himself states it to be light itself.

So is Toshiro's water not water.

Yamamoto's fire no fire.

Rukia's Ice not ice.

Tia's water not water.

Come on now.
 
Even if this guy was light speed how did the other characters with no feats of light speed get this high? Or are there some light speed feats? Cause I know there was a calc that only put Bleach God/Top Tiers at Massively Hypersonic+ but if they have feats then fine.
 
Yeah even if this was FTL, its an incredibly huge outlier, especially if its just going to upgrade everyone and their mother in effect.

You tried something similar in the other thread regarding the bleach revisions.
 
If we wanna get super serious an argument can be said about Negacion which was stated to be light
 
That was back during the SS arc too lol. Hisagi, Rangiku, Yoruichi, and Soi Fon all dodged that light.
 
An argument can also be made that elements in Bleach function as they normally due just influenced by reishi. Water, Ice, Fire, light, darkness, wind, etc all function exactly the same....half the verses fights have been determined by science.

Take Rukia for example and her Absolute Zero freeIng and cooling.

Yamamoto's bankai....

Toshiro.manioulating the weather.
 
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That was back during the SS arc too lol. Hisagi, Rangiku, Yoruichi, and Soi Fon all dodged that light.
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I have strong doubts that SS arc is FTL.
 
@AppleLord

The calcs have not been fully evaluated and I don't think we can quantify the movement of darkness.

In addition, even the Bleach Wiki, which rips descriptions from the series, doesn't call any of Lille's attacks light.
 
The wiki isn't reliable, its mostly inactive and they haven't even updated the profiles according to the new novels that are canon. Giselle, Bambi and Lilotto aren't dead [1] but in the novels they are alive with a bunch of other people.

They even have Lille's ultimate attack base on reishi, yet this was never stated for all we know it could had been sound base because it's a trumpet.

The calcs haven't been accepted. Isn't that common sense? Why would I be talking about something that was accepted already? They never will anyway. I'm just letting people know that.
 
@AppleLord

The descriptions have citations, which is why I consider them reliable.

Which is precisely why we can't assume Lille's attack is made of light.

You have to be patient. You can't say they will never be accepted if the calc group hasn't gotten to it.
 
Reppuzan said:
@AppleLord

The descriptions have citations, which is why I consider them reliable.

Which is precisely why we can't assume Lille's attack is made of light.

You have to be patient. You can't say they will never be accepted if the calc group hasn't gotten to it.
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But said citations are direct to the manga where it says the following.

His attack is called Divine Light of Punishment, and from that alone we can't deduce if its light or not because its just a name. Later we get confirmation that he can produce light and remove shadows creating shadows on his own body, afterwards the mirror sword reflects the light emitting from his intangible body back at him leaving him blind. That at least proves that its light and not reishi, since we never got confirmation of it been reishi.
 
Would you mind providing scans of these?

In addition, just because an attack is reflected and leaves someone blind doesn't mean it's actually light. You could do the same thing with any energy blast.
 
Reppuzan said:
Would you mind providing scans of these?

In addition, just because an attack is reflected and leaves someone blind doesn't mean it's actually light. You could do the same thing with any energy blast.
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He wasn't doing anything. The mirror sword was reflecting the light emitting from his body.
 
@AppleLord

That doesn't change the fact that any sufficiently powerful energy blast can blind someone if directed directly towards them.
 
Luminosity is a thing, regardless of the speed.

Subsonic Blasts have luminosity, and MFTL+ Blasts have luminosity.

That's not an argument.
 
So now you're saying his body is made of energy blats, and the sword reflected something that only harmed his eyes that appeared to be light, but then when he decided to use an attack this one was able to hurt him but not the other, even do they were both energy blasts in your eyes? Ok.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Luminosity is a thing, regardless of the speed.

Subsonic Blasts have luminosity, and MFTL+ Blasts have luminosity.

That's not an argument.
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If the author wanna it to be a "reishi" attack he would had said so in the context of the story as he had done previously with other attacks without a problem. He wouldn't had called it "Light" in numerous occasions, and show properties of light.
 
"Light" is typically used allegorically to refer to any beam of luminous energy that isn't particularly physical.

It doesn't make it real light. Particularly if it doesn't come from a scientific source like EM waves or Radiation.
 
@AppleLord

There's no indication that his body was made of light. It was simply intangible to normal attacks and kido.

In addition, light doesn't expand as it travels, making me heavily doubt that his attacks are actually light.
 
That's correct. Now when has someone used reishi, reiryoku, or reiatsu in that way? No one, until Lille did. Why does he have Light manipulation on his profile?
 
@AppleLord

Being able to manipulate "light" doesn't mean it has light-based properties. For example, Kizaru can shape light into magic bullets or a sword, but we don't automatically assume all of his attacks are lightspeed.
 
Kizaru has Speed of Light in his speed section just for manipulating speed but Lille doesn't? Ok. In theory light stretches as the universe expands, but in fiction is mostly ignored.


"There's no indication that his body was made of light."

[1], [2]
 
@Apple

Nanao's sword works on the principle of reflecting the power of a god.

Just because he's emanating light doesn't mean he is light. In addition, "light" can be any sort of luminosity as Matt pointed out earlier.
 
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@Apple

Nanao's sword works on the principle of reflecting the power of a god.

Just because he's emanating light doesn't mean he is light. In addition, "light" can be any sort of luminosity as Matt pointed out earlier.
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His body emits "light" and he is "intangible" isn't "light" "intangible" too?

It can, but in this case it isn't otherwise the author would had said that is "reishi" instead of "light" in numerous occasions.[1], [2]

If Lille was really using another source like "reishi" instead of "light" the author would had said so as he has no problem doing so for his riffle. [3], [4]
 
@Apple

You could say the same about a living star, or living lightning, or heated gas.

Lille's powers have broken the various rules of what can be conceivably considered natural, physical light or a laser (i.e. expanding after firing, being condensed into a ball.

In addition, Lille is a pompous on top of being obsessed with god and purity. Just because he calls it light doesn't mean it's actually light.
 
Lille isn't mention to be made of any of those natural phenomenon you mention.

The ball is made of light and it isn't the same technique he used before.

He detects the very idea of been called a God. There goes your foreplay.
 
@Apple

He isn't mentioned to be made of light either.

The fact that there's a ball made of light means that it doesn't follow the natural properties of light.

I said obsessed with god, not obsessed with thinking he's a god. I'm well aware of the fact that his god is Yhwach and that he believes himself to be his prophet. If your arguments are going to be reduced to arguing petty semantics, I'm shutting down this thread right now.
 
It's worth pointing out that the name Yhwach is just the result of Tite Kubo failing to properly translate "YHWH" to Japanese, and that in Yhwach's backstory he was born in the human world as a child with miraculous healing powers, who everyone believed was God due to them, and so he began to be called YHWH.

So yes, Lille calling it light is more likely to be related to "Godly / Heavenly Light" than literal photons.
 
As expected. It seems, I was right. Thank you for debunking that, now there's no doubt that those calcs will not get accepted. You can close it before someone else comes and spits nonsense.
 
How do you know they will never be accepted? Have you asked any calc members to evaluate them?. Or is every calc based on lightspeed Lille?
 
I just have a gut feeling. Lille is only one feat. The others are base on an unknown distance with an unknown time frame. Let's just say that I can see the future. :)
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
An attack described as a beam of light =/= Lightspeed proof.
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Sorry to bring this up again, but if your statement is true then why are Black Clovers tiers such as Asta and Yami FTL?
 
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