SOL Kanaguri and potentially FTL for Sakamoto

[SDTaro]

That's already more than enough. And Sakamoto, easily order level character, was using a gun against the literal strongest character in the verse…

That's out of desperation. Sakamoto uses whatever is available to him at the time since he doesn't use a specific weapon like other Order members. The one Order member who does use a sniper relies on trick shots that are unpredictable and hard to track. Also, the Order member has never fought another Order member or any Top assassin.

One of the calcs on the verse page literally uses Sakamoto himself getting tagged by a bullet. And Sakamoto straight up used bullet dodging as training as well as a gun himself many times.

I don't see that anywhere on the verse page. Which calc are you referring to? All calcs with a bullet (that I see) pertain to them being dodged or blocked.

Dodging is one thing but based on this basically everyone relevant in the verse should be statuing them by a lot

Who isn't though? No relevant character has had trouble with bullets. Sakamoto uses bullet catching as training and that's not even in his prime.

 

[SDTaro]

Also let it be known this LS scaling wouldn't apply to every relevant assassin in the verse. This would only apply to like 4 or 5 people.

 

[DavidTPPM]

That's out of desperation. Sakamoto uses whatever is available to him at the time since he doesn't use a specific weapon like other Order members.

Desperate Sakamoto used a weapon more than 300,000x slower than it's target? That can't be excused by desperation that's like sending a snail to kill your enemy.

The one Order member who does use a sniper relies on trick shots that are unpredictable and hard to track.

Which would be impossible if the sniper was hundreds of thousands of times slower than anyone even remotely close to the level of The Order…

Also, the Order member has never fought another Order member or any Top assassin.

Completely irrelevant because of how ridiculous the gap is. We're not talking about an FTL character using a relativistic weapon but a weapon anyone even 1/1000 as fast as order tier characters should completely statue.

I don't see that anywhere on the verse page. Which calc are you referring to? All calcs with a bullet (that I see) pertain to them being dodged or blocked.

This one

Who isn't though? No relevant character has had trouble with bullets. Sakamoto uses bullet catching as training and that's not even in his prime.

I get the feeling you're failing to comprehend the vast difference between bullets and light.
FTL or even just sub-rel Sakamoto using bullets for training would be like prime Muhammed Ali trying to use snails for training. The speed difference is so ridiculously large it's actually hilarious to imagine. Sakamoto should be pulling a Metroman on bullets due to the insane speed difference if he's anywhere near light speed, and yet both him and other similarly fast characters use them extremely often.

 

[DavidTPPM]

Also let it be known this LS scaling wouldn't apply to every relevant assassin in the verse. This would only apply to like 4 or 5 people.

Except it would basically affect every character with a profile given all of them are at least somewhat relative to Sakamoto. Because even the slower characters like Shin are not hundreds of thousands of times slower than him and display at least some relativity

 

[SDTaro]

Desperate Sakamoto used a weapon more than 300,000x slower than it's target? That can't be excused by desperation that's like sending a snail to kill your enemy.

I mean bro it's either that or die lol I mean... what else are you supposed to do? This isn't really an anti-feat.

Which would be impossible if the sniper was hundreds of thousands of times slower than anyone even remotely close to the level of The Order…

No matter how fast you react, if you don't see it coming then it doesn't matter and that's what Kamihate relies on. You not seeing the bullet.

Completely irrelevant because of how ridiculous the gap is. We're not talking about an FTL character using a relativistic weapon but a weapon anyone even 1/1000 as fast as order tier characters should completely statue.

I'm not sure why you're equating all Order members to be the same speed, but they aren't. If Kamihate has never fought or tagged actual top-tier assassins then I don't see why him using a Gun is "more than enough" to determine it as an inconsistency.

This one

This link doesn't show anything. It's just a blank photo.

I get the feeling you're failing to comprehend the vast difference between bullets and light.
FTL or even just sub-rel Sakamoto using bullets for training would be like prime Muhammed Ali trying to use snails for training. The speed difference is so ridiculously large it's actually hilarious to imagine. Sakamoto should be pulling a Metroman on bullets due to the insane speed difference if he's anywhere near light speed, and yet both him and other similarly fast characters use them extremely often.

Context. This is in reference to Fat Sakamoto way below his prime. Skinny Sakamoto, who gets faster and is closer to his actual prime reacted to the beam of light. And again Sakamoto and no one above him uses a gun. Can you name drop someone on Sakamoto's level who uses a gun for fighting? Nagumo, Takamura, and Slur don't use guns.

 

[SDTaro]

Except it would basically affect every character with a profile given all of them are at least somewhat relative to Sakamoto. Because even the slower characters like Shin are not hundreds of thousands of times slower than him and display at least some relativity

No they aren't? What's the basis for this? Current Shin is not even Order member level which is pretty much the whole point of the current arc.

 

[Quangotjokes]

To be fair, using a gun despite its speed isn’t really a debunk. It’s still a lethal weapon and dodging it would still create opportunities for the shooter to exploit.

 

[DavidTPPM]

I mean bro it's either that or die lol I mean... what else are you supposed to do?

Brother one last time. Bullets (especially from a basic handgun that usually don't get past subsonic+) are HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF TIMES SLOWER THAN LIGHT. If shooting Takamura was an option AT ALL that by itself is a ridiculous anti feat for anything near light speed. You're literally saying Sakamoto was using the speed of a snail in an attempt to tag Usain Bolt.

This isn't really an anti-feat.

Not only is it an anti feat but a huge one at that.

No matter how fast you react, if you don't see it coming then it doesn't matter and that's what Kamihate relies on. You not seeing the bullet.

Except if you're FTL a bullet would literally appeal stuck in air. An FTL character should realistically feel the bullet touch his skin and move out of its way before it could pierce it.

A sniper would be completely utterly useless against FTL characters. Hell it would be better to just throw rocks than using a sniper because at least that wouldn't make a loudass BOOM like guns do.

I'm not sure why you're equating all Order members to be the same speed, but they aren't.

They may be not equal but they absolutely aren't hundreds of thousands of times apart either. We never see a character statue another character yet according to you it should he happening essentially every other chapter.

If Kamihate has never fought or tagged actual top-tier assassins then I don't see why him using a Gun is "more than enough" to determine it as an inconsistency.

Kamihate is in a The Order which is inherently a group of the strongest assassins in JA automatically scaling him above everyone who's not in the order. Which would include characters like Shin and Mafuyu who can react to other order members and generally are not that far from Kanaguri.

This link doesn't show anything. It's just a blank photo.

There's 2 links. One that leads to the calc and one that should lead to the specific scan in the calc showing Sakamoto barely blocking a gunshot (crazy given he should be statuing it)

Context. This is in reference to Fat Sakamoto way below his prime. Skinny Sakamoto, who gets faster and is closer to his actual prime reacted to the beam of light.

Except we see fat Sakamoto keep up with Kanaguri and then Kanaguri keep up with skinny Sakamoto. Meaning they are in the same general tier and if skinny Sakamoto is anywhere near light speed so would be fat Sakamoto.

And again Sakamoto and no one above him uses a gun. Can you name drop someone on Sakamoto's level who uses a gun for fighting? Nagumo, Takamura, and Slur don't use guns.

2 order members are not enough? Shin also uses guns and scales relative to order level (his profile even compares him to fat Sakamoto).

No they aren't? What's the basis for this?

Shin repeatedly reacts to Osaragi as well as Slurs main gang, out of which most if not all directly fought an order member on screen (electro lady killed one, Gaku almost killed Nagumo, Kanaguri fought both base and skinny Sakamoto, etc).

Current Shin is not even Order member level which is pretty much the whole point of the current arc.

Yes he's not order level but he very much scales to their speed. He's not on par with their skill or raw strength but he's clearly somewhat relative to them as he can consistently react to this level of speed.

Which again even if you assume him reacting to them makes him only 1% as fast as them, that would still make him and others relative to him several thousand of times faster than bullets still making them completely useless

 

[DavidTPPM]

To be fair, using a gun despite its speed isn’t really a debunk. It’s still a lethal weapon and dodging it would still create opportunities for the shooter to exploit.

Using a gun despite its speed isn't a debunk if we're talking about supersonic characters. Hell maybe even hypersonic.
But we're talking about characters almost MILLION times faster than bullets.

This thread is trying to establish Mach 874000+ characters in a verse where Mach 1-3 weapons are used basically every chapter based off of light with mass. This is the most stereotypical example of bad speed scaling that anti-powerscalers won't shut up about lmao