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Senshinkan Top Tiers

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So apparently the other day, the Three Commanders were downgraded to mountain level from country level due to their justification being "thousands of times stronger than normal members of the LDO" or something along those lines.

With this example in mind, should Nakiri Kuubou (and by extension the rest of the Senshinkan top tiers and Reinhard Heydritch) also be downgraded due to the reasoning for him being small star level with 9 Headed Dragon Emperor being the statement that he is "millions, if not trillions of times stronger"? Or is there something else that means we actually know that statement to be literally true?
 
Well i am not expert in Senshinka but usually we take feats above statement, if he only said to be trillion times stronger and never showed feat to support his claim "and the story doesn't support this claim either" then he should be downgraded

Although on his profile it said he could effect the whole universe and destroy it slowly no way he could do that if he will in the relam of tier 7-6

All the top tiers are scaled from him i assume ? well could other characters from tier 7 effect him in anyway ? or could they withstand his attacks in any form ?

We someone to know about the verse who did the profiles for them ?
 
@ZERO

Well...Kuubo > Amakasu who = Reinhard (via Masada's word). So going by that logic Kuubo > Reinhard.
 
Pretty sure Amakasu is above Kuubo and he's the final villian of the first game, Also Reinhard > Amakasu they are not equa masada said Reinhard would beat him so : Reinhard > Amakasu > Kuubo

Thing is seems all those characters are scaled from Kuubo
 
>Pretty sure Amakasu is above Kuubo and he's the final villian of the first game

Let me stop ya right there buddy and tell you that's just because Amakasu is the final villain, doesn't mean he's stronger than Kuubo.

Also there is this thread which is why Kuubou was upgraded to the tier that he is.
 
Is there any proof that Kuubou is actually trillions of times stronger? That's what I'm looking for
 
I think it's a in-verse statement though i'm not sure, didn't really get around to play Senshinkan, so the best is to ask someone who at least has knowledge on it
 
ALRF said:
>Pretty sure Amakasu is above Kuubo and he's the final villian of the first game
Let me stop ya right there buddy and tell you that's just because Amakasu is the final villain, doesn't mean he's stronger than Kuubo.

Also there is this thread which is why Kuubou was upgraded to the tier that he is.
Click to expand...
He's profile says so and being the final villian support it lol
 
>He's profile says so and being the final villian support it lol

Nah him being the final villain doesn't mean anything, and Kuubo is above Rosei , heck Amakasu has a lot of difficulty controlling him and the profile seems wrong, but i think they can still scale to him.
 
Considering i was the one who made pages of Kuubou and Amakasu, i guess i might as well say that the scaling might have been a "bad idea".

I do recall that Trex and EMC said of Kuubou's boost being an actual thing but idk if they still think of it as the same or not on that still.

If it's still not legit, then i have no idea where to put the rest at honestly. EMC noted in one thread that Ama is like Planetary at best (though idk if he's referring to like destroying the surface of it or blowing up the whole planet, in which there's a supposed WoG statement by Masada that states that Ama can bust the whole planet and have enough energy after to keep going or something along those lines iirc). As for Kuubou, he still has the "hit with the force of moving continents thing" so idk if we should scale Kuubou as being superior to Ama or not if Ama does in fact become Planet level. If he does and Kuubou and Reinhard as well as the Cap's god Summons are to be of comparable power, then they'd end up all as...well Planet level then.

There was something i was gonna say of this that's related but i forgot so there's of me. Especially when it seems as though nobody bothered to ever inform me of this since i'm partially or so responsible for ranking them like this in the first place. IDEK what you guys have against me that you don't ever bother to contact me with things like this. If it's because you don't want to get yelled out or have me angry, then that's just pretty stupid of y'all. At least Redgrave bothers to inform me of this, and he just only tells me this. He didn't say of asking me to be here, i did it on my own. If you guys think the ratings is wrong, then fine by me as long as we try to them "right". I'm just rather a tad annoyed that y'all just don't want to confront me about all this.

That's all i have to really say here. Not doing anymore than that.
 
I messaged the staff who were listed as knowledgeable about the Masadaverse on the knowledgeable members page. You weren't listed, so I didn't think to message you. I have nothing against you.
 
bump

So should Amakasu become Planet level due to Masada's statement? With Kuubou being superior, Shinno being comparable, and Reinhard also becoming planetary?
 
Kuubou is trillions of times stronger in AP/Dura only, and the only Tier 7 that has affected him was the guy with FMA on steroids.
 
Where is the proof he was literally trillions of times stronger and that is not just hyperbole?
 
^Did you read the thread ALRF linked ? he claim the proof for it is there but all i found is calc for his High 6-A tier and the Low 4C because he became trillion times stronger
 
btw the trillion times stronger should be asked for someone who played Senshinkan, i haven't played so i cannot comment on where it comes from (i think it's an in-game statement), you should ask those who played the game.
 
^Who played the game anyway ? like everyone from masadaverse only know bout DI and KK ,heck now i think about it we should separate the two verse no reason to link them they are different story

This is off topic tho
 
Masadaverse refers to any work made by Masada, so they will stay in that, as for who played it , idk, i still haven't got the time to play it myself (Venom and Trexalfa probably played the game, you can go ahead and try to ask them).
 
The only ones that actually played Senshinkan out of Masada's work are Venom and Trex AFAIK.

Ven already gave his thought out more or less...i think.

Trex is the only other one that also played the full games iirc. Especially since he's the guy that pretty much confirmed to me in our PM's about Kuubou's capabilities like the power boost statement so...
 
So should i just do the changes now or what for you all?

I honestly DK if Trex would bother to come here as he once said that doing revisions aren't his thing...or was it giving an opinion being what he calls as "too formal" for him to do...

I can literally just go do what people think is best to do and just do it so...
 
@Monarch: You better be lucky if he actually checks his message and comes. He usually goes to our chat on the wikia...or go on anything that's Masada related that he may happen to find on his device.
 
Well, I'll keep a look out. Maybe I'll message him on his wall on some other wiki's if he seems more active there.

Unless Venom could find the statement and assess its validity, seeing as he has played the game?

Until then, I'll keep the thread open.

If the statement is determined to be hyperbole though, is 5-B Kuubou, Amakasu, Shinno, Reinhard, Yoshiya and everyone else who scales acceptable based on Masada's statement Amakasu could bust the planet?
 
That's really not how he rolls. He just goes and do how he likes. I and Ven literally tried to get him and EMC to comment on our Masadaverse Explanation Page last year.

Guess what? They said it was fine, yet didn't comment on it despite the fact that they needed to evaluate it on the blog itself...of course as i said, he finds it "too formal" for him to actually go do things like check stuff. He'll say things to you if it's to clarify something, just not for things that are related to revisions.

That's if Ven remembers it right or not. He has played it, but i recall him saying that it's been a while so idk how much of an input he'll give as he is now.

Obviously since there's not much else to scale them by. Cause if people here think we shouldn't use boost power statements and just go by this, that's fine by me. From where i'm looking at, the only ones who'd scale from this would be:

> Rosei (Amakasu Masahiko, Kriemhild Helheim Lebenstei, Fan Jinro, Hiiragi Yoshiya)

> Dies Irae Reinhard and, by extension, Sensory Merc and Base Yakou Madara

> Summons of Amakasu's Tsuidan (ex. Kuubou and Shinno)
 
Yeah, that looks about right for who scales.

I guess 5-B for most of them then. Though would Shinno scale, or just be left at High 6-A as he is now? Ven says Kuubou is stronger than Amakasu, so he would be left as "likely higher" I guess, but Shinno not sure about
 
Well then agian, that's a WoG statement and, iirc somewhat, the best i've seen them do is affect the planet on like a High 6-A level. There's stuff like Ama and Yoshi's battle said to be able to raze the entire surface to Kuubou being able to hit with the power of moving continents...and i think something about Ama bombarbing the entire planets surface during his, Kriemhelds, and Yoshi's fight against Jinron (i have no context of what that was about with all of them so i'll leave it at that).

Then again, Trex and EMC constantly say that the Gods are of 5-B level so...idk, it's down to everyone else here. We could scale by what's known for most Rosei and have just the Gods and the Shinza people (which is literally just 3 above) scale to them or just keep the ratings as is.

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooh.............yeah, i'd probably he scales. He and Kuubou are 8th Grade Tatari's, which are like the most powerful kinds of Tatari's in the series. Though Kuubou is actually the most powerful of the two when it comes to actual prowess as i think a fraction of his full power is enough to dwarf all others including Shinno himself...but if y'all want to keep things less confusing, we can have Shinno scale to Kuubou regardless.
 
Reinhard will lose his status as strongest Low 4-C character ....... just kidding i agree with cross we should downgarde the characters to 5-B, trex won't show up anytime he will write page about this in the chat but will never post it here where we need it "gods knows why"

So yeah
 
Alrighty then.

5-B for all those guys.

Are we going to need to remove any of their wins and losses, or will their hax make up for it?
 
I'm generally too chill to ever care about changes in profiles if it means to make them "right".

Yes we will as I don't think Reinhard's hax is gonna make up the gap against GEoM. Especially when Matt used the 4-A stat of the latter at that. I presume maybe that will have to be done for SCP-682 but a rematch against using the 5-A bee can work I guess.

But yes, they will need to be changed then and...will you know. I'll do the changes later as it's pretty darn late from where I'm at. And yes as ZERO pointed out, unless you're extremely lucky, Trex is not ever gonna comment on here unless it's something he himself feels the need to comment. That's literally how he does things on our wikia.
 
Oh yeah that's right, EMC even questioned and noted of why Amakasu is scaled to Kuubou when he's 5-B at best so...yeah...Masadaverse's characters top at 5-B when you don't factor in the Hadou/Gudou Gods...
 
It is not gonna be added at all, no.

But anyways again, and seeing as we're pretty much agreeing on scaling to 5-B, I'll (once again) do the changes later.
 
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