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Grudgeman1706

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Okay so this is something that has slowly irritated me about looking through profiles on the site. I don't understand why literally 80% of most profiles don't have a side notes explaining where each ability comes from for characters. This is especially irritating for profiles with higher up abilites that should require specifications like "conceptual manipulation" or "reality warping" as these are very broad and easily abused terms.

I'm Proposing we make it a requirement that each ability listed on a profile must come with some sort of an explanation as to where this ability. Something as easily as "fire manipulation( can shoot fire with [insert fire based attack move] or even lazier via "insert fire move."

Come on it isn't that hard to write a brief explanation to powers as it not only makes the profile less susceptible to decit aka wank and it makes the overall profile much more accurate and trustworthy.
 
I agree, it annoys me to see matches and have to ask "How good is their reality warping? What type is it? What are its uses? How is it done?" We need more clarification, and the rule (I think it exists) must be enforced more. I think a profile just saying stuff vaguely is grounds for revision, and if bad enough, deletion.

This really gets bad for Reality Warping and Conceptual Manipulation, where the slightest different in output and method might result in a character stomping in a fight, or his hax being useless. Reality Warping is a vague ability, merely ripping and twisting space-time to a high degree could be reality warping.
 
Didn't we have a discussion on this before? Could have sworn we did, and what came out of it was the explanation section which is optional, to explain abilities, which has honestly been practically useless imo, since nobody really uses it, and if you want to explain an ability you can do that in the notable attacks/techniques section anyway.

But yea if it's a simple ability that's pretty obvious like earth manipulation, don't really need to explain that, if it's concept manipulation or causality manipulation it should have explanations imo.
 
While this could take a bit of time given the sheer amount of profiles i agree that each ability should come with an specification on how the character can use such power or what skill allows him/her to do so

Im for it
 
I already do this, so this doesn't bother me.

However, should the explanations get too long, they should be directed to the Notable Attacks/Techniques section.
 
Well, I agree that this is a bit of a problem, but the Powers & Abilities sections would easily become extremely cluttered if we apply this as an actual rule, and we obviously cannot start to revise 80% of the profiles in the wiki in a massive project.

Perhaps we could simply make the regulation into a suggestion for explaining abilities in sections further down the profile pages?
 
Reppuzan said:
I already do this, so this doesn't bother me.

However, should the explanations get too long, they should be directed to the Notable Attacks/Techniques section.
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That's totally fine, I even stated if it's too much of an explanation just state where it comes from "aka via this move"
 
I already wrote a suggestion on my thread but since no one else commented it was never expected.
 
We should enforce some abilities being checked and having their context explained the same way we enforce whether characters are tier 2/1 or not. Some abilities, like Reality Warping, Conceptual Manipulation, Telekinesis, Telepathy, etc are so varied that it should be common practice for a member to actively question when a profile just slaps it on. As said, if a profile has a ton of abilities without explanations at all and its just there, that is enough to warrant a revision in my eyes and explain and include what it means when they have something like Reality Warping.
 
I am fine with Reppuzan's version of directing explanations of more confusing abilities to attacks/techniques sections further down the pages.
 
I agree with this as like with Rep. Although very slow pace-wise, i have been trying to at least do this but then again, it's mainly limited to verses that i personally know of as far as i can say.

So i definitely agree with going what Rep said on how we can do this. Will be plenty, but it'll have to do.
 
I generally agree, though making a revision out of this would be generally impossible since we'd literally have to go through 10K profile individually.

But yeah, brief explanations on the Powers / Abilities section coupled with explanations of individual attacks and the like below generally work out well.
 
I agree with Ant and Rep. Don't add in depth explanations in the "Powers and Abilities" section, as it'd clutter it up real bad. Instead explain the powers in the "Notable Attacks/Technques" section or in the optional "Explanations" section.
 
Well, I can't know for sure if this would be a lot of work for the staff - or necessary?

I'd think this kind of thing only presents a problem when abused in VS Threads, and then other people involved in said threads could ask for clarification.

But for the main purpose of the wikia, that is indexing statistics, I see your point, having the abilities properly explained would be good, I suppose... If only a big project considering how many pages we have by now (some of them not even that used in threads or anything).
 
It's better having than not, if only to clarify so many things, especially so for game characters whose skill descriptions consist of game terminology (e.g. does 300% attack power) with no mention of how it is done.

We can do it on our own time if we come across ones we know enough to fix, if ever.
 
This will just be something that would be implemented over time, we can't go through over 11k pages and revise them, new pages would conform to the requirements, while older ones will gradually also conform to it.
 
We can phrase the regulatio as "Preferably add explanations for less self-evident and more confusing powers and abilities to attacks/techniques sections further down the profile pages", or something similar. The "preferably" means that it isn't a compulsion, just a prefered suggestion.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
@LordGriffen: What up~
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LOL, I'm legit mad right now, I made this thread and it went mostly unnoticed but this thread was just made and already has a bunch of staff commenting on it... How is this even possible?.
 
Uh well for one...it got highlighted~ xD

I'm just messing with you man, i'm not even trying to derail this.

But anyways, i agree that those that are pretty long-winded should be put to the notable techniques and attacks section rather than the powers and abilities section. Unless of course it's pretty straightfoward like what Grudge put it.
 
Well at least it's getting talked about now.

@FateAlbane and Cross Really guys... I should have saw that answer coming
 
I just want to make sure this rule gets adamantly stated throughout the wiki. No matter how long the process I want to eventually see all the profiles here and in the future made to be properly made and explained.
 
Grudgeman1706 said:
I just want to make sure this rule gets adamantly stated throughout the wiki. No matter how long the process I want to eventually see all the profiles here and in the future made to be properly made and explained.
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That's what I wanted...

(But I was ignord) Ovo

But seriously tho, I can agree with this.
 
That's an impossible utopia, unfortunately, to be honest. The wiki has 11,869 pages and the number keeps growing, and character profiles are spread across 584 Verses.

It would be ideal too see every profile have the same quality of Power Explanations as this one, but I don't think it'll ever be reached.

I'm not against the regulation requiring explanations in profiles to be implemented, I'm just being reasonable and pointing out to complete lack of practicality of wanting all profiles to be perfect.
 
I don't believe every page should be revised. That would be ridiculous. However, it should be a rule that all incoming profiles from now on must pass the standards. And the prior pages be revised over a slower pace over time when it is called for.
 
In all honesty though I thought if everyone worked on the verse they new perfectly, it wouldn't be that hard but that's just what I thought though.

I'm perfectly fine with a suggestion about giving a brief explanation.
 
I do agree with this, and while every page shouldn't be revised, the popular ones should, and if a questionable ability is brought up in vs battles, it should be edited in as things progressed.

I'm pretty sure most people can clearly recite the abilities of popular verses like DB, Bleach, Naruto, OP, FT, etc.
 
Antvasima said:
We can phrase the regulatio as "Preferably add explanations for less self-evident and more confusing powers and abilities to attacks/techniques sections further down the profile pages", or something similar. The "preferably" means that it isn't a compulsion, just a prefered suggestion.
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So, what do the rest of you think about this? As Matthew mentioned, it is not realistic to convert all of our existing profiles, or to delete any new ones that do not conform, but I agree with encouraging members to help pages hold a higher standard.
 
Okay. Thanks. Let's wait a bit to see what others think as well.
 
I would change the word preferably to you should TBH. It shouldn't be an option that they don't explain the abilities or link said abilities origins to its notable technique section as otherwise it defeats the purpose of this article and the rules purpose.
 
@Grudge

Well, the problem with making it compulsory is that it would be nigh impossible to enforce, and people tend to rebel and not care when they feel that restrictions are too tight.
 
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