Ryüko Matoi vs Gardevoir

Ryüko vs Gardevoir

BATTLE CONDITIONS:

Ryuko is Life FIber Synchronize tier

Gardevoir cannot go Mega Form.

Ryuko has a pokedex given to her by Satsuki that has Gardevoir's info on it (A combination of every pokedex throughout all the games that has had gardevoir data in it.) Gardevoir used telepathy to gain access to what Ryuko is capable of sometime before the fight.

Both are in-character, willing to kill.

Battle is at Night.

Battle takes place in a flowery field 10 meters apart.

Speed is equalized.

Win via any method.

Going with Gardevoir via hax

Gardevoir is superior. Most of Ryuko's attacks can't reach to her via precog, forcefield and teleport. She also can use Hypnosis to make Ryuko sleep and drain her stamina via Dream Eater. The main problem for Gardevoir should be Ryuko's regen. But she can create black hole. So I think she can pass that.

Gardevoir win mid-diff.

Thing is Gardevoir's black hole attack is a suicide attack...

Is that actually a real black hole?

And we also don't take the "black hole" thing as being legitimate

WeeklyBattles said:

Thing is Gardevoir's black hole attack is a suicide attack...

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She'll still do it for senpai based on what the Pokedex entry said.

Is senpai here?

Burning Full Fingers said:

Is senpai here?

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Yes I am

...Lol?

Could Gardevoir use Draining Kiss to devoid Ryüko of her life energy, at least theoretically?

Wouldn't you like to see that, @Kalitas. Jk. Also, I didn't think the black hole was a suicide attack, just an outlier in AP.

You bet I would @cal.

On a serious note, Pokedex entries do not mention the black hole being a suicide move. They just mention that Gardevoir would do anything to protect her trainer

I'm voting Gardevoir. Easily the most versatile of the two, and she could probably overcome Ryuko's regen with something like Toxin, or putting Ryüko to sleep and kiss her to death (yes, I actually wrote that).

And if we consider black hole hax legit, this alone beats Ryüko

@Kalitas Gardevoir doesn't learn toxic, and yes it does state that it's a suicide move. It states that gardevoir doesn't feel Gravity due to its psychic power, which it depletes to create a black hole, sacrificing it's life to protect its trainer in the process.

Right, forgot that Toxic is learned only via TM. Still, she can put Ryüko to sleep and use either Dream Eater or Absorption Kiss.

@Weekly But it doesn't say that Gardevoir dies as a consequence, it just says that she will use all of her psychic power. Can you show me the exact quote?

And we all know Steven Hawking's theory on being in a black hole. Spaghettification!

"Gardevoir has the ability to read the future. If it senses impending danger to its Trainer, this Pokémon is said to unleash its psychokinetic energy at full power."

"Gardevoir has the psychokinetic power to distort the dimensions and create a small black hole. This Pokémon will try to protect its Trainer even at the risk of its own life."

"It apparently does not feel the pull of gravity because it supports itself with psychic power. It will give its life to protect its Trainer."

The black hole and the life risking don't seem interrelated at all.

The last one does imply that she would die due to the black hole. Still voting for her though, even if with more difficulties

First off, sorry for the super long post. I know some of you hate that. : (

Honestly, despite having watched Kill la Kill more than once, I don't know which of Ryuko's forms correspond to which of her stats, nor which of her abilities, I'm sad to say.

So with that in mind, I guess I'll set aside stats for now.

It doesn't seem like we're certain if Gardevoir's black hole ISN'T a suicide attack, so I'm not sure that's a viable option, unless we decide Gardevoir's best option is a draw.

So how good is Ryuko's Regenerationn in Life Fiber Synchronize tier? What about her resistances to Mind, Memory, Empathic & Morality Manipulation?

If I recall Ryuko vs Mewtwo correctly, while it was a stronger form of his, Ryuko's Regenerationn is a pain, thanks to her being a Human-Life Fiber hybrid, & Senketsu, which she wears. Besides having a ton of Banshi, which are likely well-hidden, any Banshi needs to be cut in a scissoring motion to prevent Regenerationn.

Unlike, say Mewtwo, however, Gardevoir's closest option to a cutting attack is Magical Leaf, & even if Gardevoir & Ryuko have knowledge of one another, & the leaves are homing attacks, it may still be hard to land a hit, let alone scissor those Banshi with leaves.

Maybe psychic holds could assist in that?


So what's another way? Well, could it drain Ryuko's life? In theory, yes. In practice, I doubt it'd be so easy; Gardevoir's options for that are Dream Eater -which requires the target be sleeping- & Draining Kiss, which requires contact.

If Ryuko has resistance to Mind Manipulation, she would likely be VERY hard to put to sleep with Hypnosis, & as a close combat opponent with two big scissors blades that possibly count as Steel-type, & thus, do double damage to a Fairy-type like Gardevoir, getting in close for Draining Kiss isn't easy either.


Google says Earth's moon is 384,400 km from Earth, & Ryuko can survive the vaccuum of space, & easily return if she has flight. Plus, Gardevoir's range is:

"Several dozen meters, several hundred kilometers with teleportation."

I doubt it can teleport Ryuko into space then teleport itself back to safety, nor telekinetically throw Ryuko into a star or something.


If I'm understanding this match right -& I may not be- then Gardevoir may lack a means of overcoming Ryuko's Regenerationn in the first place.

....Absurd as it sounds, if life drain is a viable tactic to beat Ryuko's regen here, then psychically holding her in place & kissing her to death may be a ridiculous, yet effective option for combat here.


....Alternatively, given that both combatants would have knowledge of one another, (Apparently, Gardevoir was able to telepathically go into Ryuko's mind for that.) going by the OP, so Gardevoir COULD attempt to beat it through a mix of defense & then brute force.

While Ryuko can fly, & Gardevoir, although able to manipulate gravity, but not fly, Gardevoir does have some advantages.

It can teleport, create illusionary copies of itself with Double Team, boost its "Special"/non-physical offenses & defenses with Calm Mind, get some healing in with Wish so long as it can buy time for the heal to kick in, see the future, & while Ryuko's resistances to emotional manipulation like Growl & Charm will likely stop them working, Moonblast could maybe also reduce her "Special Attack"/non-physical offenses.

To say nothing of potentially restraining Ryuko with telekinesis.


Assume we allow Stored Power to work as I assume it does -increasing in power as other stat boosts are accumulated- if Gardevoir got enough Calm Minds off (& possibly enough Double Teams off.) it could potentially start unleashing very powerful (& according to our Wiki, omnidirectial) Stored Power attacks off.

Ryuko, meanwhile, would be raising in power the closer she is to death -albeit, if Gardevoir knows this, all the reason to stay defensive while it sets up before attacking- & would likely be wanting to use all of her offensive options to pursue & put pressure, especially if her Scissor Blades count as Steel-type.


I'm not entirely sure who I'll vote for, but I'll say this:

Gardevoir's means of overcoming Ryuko's Regenerationn are limited, but if it plays defensively smart, it has a myriad of ways at keeping a mostly close combat fighter from doing too much damage, & can heal with Wish while it amps its own stats with Calm Mind & perhaps Double Team until it can potentially just brute force through Ryuko's Regenerationn.

Failing that, it could aim for a potential draw via a black hole.

Hypnosis to Dream Eater/Draining Kiss will secure a win.

The real cal howard said:

Hypnosis to Dream Eater/Draining Kiss will secure a win.

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I apologize for having to ask, but does Ryuko have Resistance to Mind Manipulation in this form? Because again, if so, inflicting Hypnosis on her could be very difficult.

"Honestly, despite having watched Kill la Kill more than once, I don't know which of Ryuko's forms correspond to which of her stats, nor which of her abilities, I'm sad to say."

All of her transformations apply to all of her forms sans Base and EoS

"I apologize for having to ask, but does Ryuko have Resistance to Mind Manipulation in this form?"

Yes, she has Mind Manip resistance even in her base form.

"So how good is Ryuko's Regenerationn in Life Fiber Synchronize tier? What about her resistances to Mind, Memory, Empathic & Morality Manipulation?"

Its the same for all of her forms

Putting to sleep is different from Ragyo's "zombificaton" (I have no better words for it. It's just that awesome of an ability)

@WeeklyBattles: Thank you for the answer.

@Cal: So, Ryuko has resistance to mind manipulation... but not hypnotic suggestion? ....Well, alright, if you say so. It does seem like, even without that, Gardevoir's hax gives it plenty of options against her.

But if Hypnosis is a reliable strategy here, then Dream Eater & Draining Kiss become more viable, & if they beat Ryuko's regen, well, then....

Ryuko goes to sleep, her dreams die & she gets smooched to death.

bump

I counted 4 for Gardevoir, 0 for Ryuko. Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.

Gardevoir for reasons above

Ryuko - 0

Gardevoir - 5

Gardevoir for above reasons

Gardevoir for reasons above

This was a unanimous match, 7-0, and reached winnable levels 6 hours ago. I'll add it.