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Griffith vs Lucifer (Supernatural)

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From what I've seen of Griffith and the God-Hand, their causality manipulation is large in range, but low in power. I think Lucifer could take it. Other than that, I'll have to think about it.
 
No, I'm still thinking about it. Just pointing out that Griffith's causality maipulation is fairly low-level
 
Lucifer IS a Reality Warper.

Also all Angels are immune to basic time and causality manipulation. They are all immune to Time Stop and remember past timelines once the past is altered.

Also, Sisters of Fate can manipulate Causality.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Lucifer IS a Reality Warper.
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Having reality warping doesn't mean you can counter someone else's.

Also all Angels are immune to basic time and causality manipulation. They are all immune to Time Stop and remember past timelines once the past is altered.

I know next to nothing about this verse so I can't disagree with this. But Time Stop isn't related to causality manipulation at all.

Also, Sisters of Fate can manipulate Causality.

On the same level as Griffith?
 
Can Lucifer attack incorporeal beings? If yes, I vote him for Matt's reasons, otherwise inconclusive

@XBlackExcellenceX one reality warper is quite capable of countering another, even if they don't have resistance to reality warping. A man with a sword can fight another man with a sword, even if he doesn't have a shield
 
Err, isn't Lucifer acausal on the first place? The archangels weren't affected by time travel that much and could perceive differences and if God wanted to kill them that way they certainly didn't do it. Somehow along the way God can't revive Gabriel and Raphael too who were both killed by God Castiel and Lucifer.

Either way I doubt Griffith can even contend if causality is all he has.
 
"Can Lucifer attack incorporeal beings"

... Angels in Supernatural are incorporeal multi-dimensional energy that predate souls themselves. The Archangels are made of primordial light.
 
CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
Either way I doubt Griffith can even contend if causality is all he has.
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Actually yes, causality manipulation is the main way the God Hand and even Idea itself attacks. Even their reality warping is based off their control over causality.

So if Lucifer is truly Acausal then this is a mismatch.
 
Is Lucifer really acausal? If so he stomps and this is a mismatch. If not, Griffith stomps as I stated above.

Every time I ask for evidence of Lucifer's Acausality you'll quickly side-step the question.
 
Want to create another thread asking whether Lucifer is acasual? That would solve that issue. I would like to wait till others call this a stomp before taking that action
 
Even with that in mind, how does Griffith even damage someone like Lucifer? What does he do? What has he actually done? Has he done it on someone on the level of a being such as Lucifer? Lucifer has about several ways to take down Griffith considering his low level there.
 
CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
Even with that in mind, how does Griffith even damage someone like Lucifer?
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Both are high 6-A so what are you talking about. I also can you the same logic. Can Lucifer reach/affect the Astral Plane? The reason for Griffith's natural intangibility? Griffith has already been stated to exist beyond the physical world.

What does he do? What has he actually done? Has he done it on someone on the level of a being such as Lucifer?

You're asking me this when he has a profile? Don't use the "has he/she done it on this level before" card. Griffith has performed a high 6-A feat.

Lucifer has about several ways to take down Griffith considering his low level there.

"Low-level" what? Durability? I already addressed that above. Also hax ignores and bypasses stats.
 
>Knows nothing about neither verse (Hadn't seen you in any threads regarding both)

>Pretty much all of Lucifer reasons have been addressed

>Decides to say "Lucifer for the above reasons"
 
Considering how Archangels have an easy time getting through dimensions? Reaching places such as heaven which doesn't even exist in the real world and how even simple angels could cause a spell that sends a person to another reality/to the real world? And archangels creating another realm entirely? Actually scratch that, it was at least 300 realities. But yeah.... I'd be willing to say that they can access it.

Context for Christ's sake. CONTEXT is always appreciated. And what, do you think simply looking at a profile would instantly make you knowledgeable about everything the character has done? I'm asking you for clarification and for his legitimate feats and you're basically going "Check the wiki, that's it".

Low level of reality warping, should've clarified. Either way all I'm seeing you spout is that he's this tier, he's this tier. Are you aware that haxx tends to bypass conventional durability and tierring time to time?
 
CoreOfimBalance(COB) said:
Considering how Archangels have an easy time getting through dimensions? Reaching places such as heaven which doesn't even exist in the real world and how even simple angels could cause a spell that sends a person to another reality/to the real world? And archangels creating another realm entirely? Actually scratch that, it was at least 300 realities. But yeah.... I'd be willing to say that they can access it.
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Transversing and creating pocket universes doesn't equal you entering the Astral Plane. Given it overlaps the physical world. That and the Interstice exists.

Context for Christ's sake. CONTEXT is always appreciated. And what, do you think simply looking at a profile would instantly make you knowledgeable about everything the character has done? I'm asking you for clarification and for his legitimate feats and you're basically going "Check the wiki, that's it".

I linked his profile so you can get a general understanding of his powers and abilities. I even linked his high 6-A feat. What more do you want?

Low level of reality warping, should've clarified. Either way all I'm seeing you spout is that he's this tier, he's this tier. Are you aware that haxx tends to bypass conventional durability and tierring time to time?

Why assume that Griffith's reality warping is low-level if you know nothing of the verse? Griffith is a 8-B who's reality warping changed the entire face of the planet. He basically put the planet's surface in interstice which allows spiritual entities to exist in the physical world. That's low-level reality warping?
 
Considering the astral plane overlaps the physical world, that would make it easier to enter for Lucifer, not harder. And his feat of merging the physical world and the spiritual world (or whatever, I forgot how the whole "Spirtual/Astral/Physical World" is laid out in Beserkverse) was done with the Skull Knight's sword, who had been eating Behelits, not all on his own power, so...
 
Lucy enters the Astral Plane through telepoprtation and smites Griffith with a fingersnap.

Stop accusing people of not knowing Berserk when you yourself keeps downplaying Lucifer. SPN Archangels have some hax beyond anything normal or acceptable for their Tiers
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Lucy enters the Astral Plane through telepoprtation and smites Griffith with a fingersnap.
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Lucifer can enter worlds that overlap with teleportation? Proof?

Stop accusing people of not knowing Berserk when you yourself keeps downplaying Lucifer. SPN Archangels have some hax beyond anything normal or acceptable for their Tiers

Didn't know that making a true statement was considered an accusation. Griffith is also significantly more haxxed than anything normal for his tier. Your point?
 
When even fodder monster can teleport to outside space and time effortlessly, mmf.

Griffith is "haxed", Lucifer actually is haxed.

One Finger snap and he ignored durability and mid-godly Regenerationn and you are GONE.
 
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