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Slight Ichigo Hax Addition

ProfessorKukui4Life

ProfessorKukui4Life

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Just noticed this. Shouldn't Ichigo (And rather any Soul Reaper period) have BFR and Portal Creation added to their profiles?

Soul Reapers are capable of "passing on" someones Soul into the Soul Society against their will, otherwise known as Konso. And from the way its shown, when the soul undergoes Konso a portal appears under them to transport them immeidiately to the Soul Society. If taken at face value, it should mean that Ichigo is capable of BFRing someone's soul during a fight, as well as purifiying their souls completely too. And not just Ichigo but literally any Soul Reaper ever since any one of them can do this via their Zanpakto.

Any issues with this?
 
As far as I can remember, Konso only applies to those who are already deceased and willing to go. It has never seen use on the living and we would be going beyond the bounds of its demonstrated purpose if we were to assume such.

In addition, it doesn't even seem to be of use against Arrancar, since not a single one of them was purified even when they were killed by Zanpakuto.
 
Reppuzan said:
As far as I can remember, Konso only applies to those who are already deceased and willing to go.
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Actually some of this is wrong. In the chapter/episodes when Uryu pops in Ichigo and Rukia perform Konso on a spirit who wasnt willing to go to the SS. He was rejecting it basically as he was scared of what Ichigo would do to him with his sword, told him to back away and Ichigo still Konso'd him.

Tho everything else I see makes sense. But would Portal Creation still be appliable or is that just apart of the whole Konso process?
 
I forgot that some Pluses are criminals, so thanks for correcting me. On that note, I still don't think that Portal Creation is applicable since Ichigo and co. needed to use Urahara's Senkaimon to reach Soul Society.
 
Isshin told Ichigo to open a Senkaimon to go after Aizen. It was off-screen but it should be added along with Konso.
 
When was that? I thought it was Isshin who opned up the Senkaimon.

Regardless like Rep said Konso has never been used on Living beings before so its pointless to add it for Ichigo after all.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
When was that? I thought it was Isshin who opned up the Senkaimon.

Regardless like Rep said Konso has never been used on Living beings before so its pointless to add it for Ichigo after all.
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Not quite. They are souls, and if verse equalization is on, it should applied to some extent to prevent any nlf.
 
Rukia should have in her profile the: Gokon Tekkō: A glove which has a skull symbol on it, which can be used to force the soul out of a body.

Urahara has been shown to remove the soul from a person's body with his zanpakutou alot of times.
 
@AppleLord

After going through the Bleach wiki, I can say okay to Portal Creation, but it has to be specified that it only goes between the Human World and Soul Society and vice versa.
 
The senkaimon goes to the dangai and from there they can travel to Soul Society, Hueco Mundo, or even the Valley of screams.
 
@AppleLord

Alright then. But those locations must be specified to avoid confusion.

In addition, the Bleach Wiki seems to treat Benihime's soul removal effect as an ability innate to it and not all Zanpakuto. In addition, it wasn't related to Konso either.
 
I forgot to mention that the Soul King palace can also be reach through the dangai but with a garganta, but that's different from the topic.
 
Reppuzan said:
@AppleLord

Alright then. But those locations must be specified to avoid confusion.

In addition, the Bleach Wiki seems to treat Benihime's soul removal effect as an ability innate to it and not all Zanpakuto. In addition, it wasn't related to Konso either.
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It was with his crane symbol the same one on Rukia's glove. I wasn't comparing it to Konso. But as a combination they can work in combat, but it would only apply to Urahara and Rukia.
 
Burning Full Fingers said:
You mean that glove that Rukia normally used on Ichigo? Did she ever use it in battle?
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In battle would be useless in the Bleach universe, because everyone is already in soul form. That's not a valid reason to not add it.
 
@AppleLord

But she rarely has it equipped, so it's not worth adding to her Standard Equipment. Plus it's out of character for her to use it on the living, given that she's a very dutiful Shinigami.
 
I'm not saying it shouldn't be added since this site is for the purpose of indexing stuff like this. I'm just asking because I don't remember her using it on Hollows, Quincy or Fullbringers.
 
Yea Rukia cant use it. Her glove has only ever been used when she was in a Gigai. She can't use it while shes in her Soul Reaper form.

Tho Urahara may be a different matter. I can see it working for him.
 
Reppuzan said:
@AppleLord

But she rarely has it equipped, so it's not worth adding to her Standard Equipment. Plus it's out of character for her to use it on the living, given that she's a very dutiful Shinigami.
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Correction. She always has it with her to swap Ichigo from his body, even after getting Kon she used again when Kon was not avaliable to them.

She uses it on the living, Ichigo.

In combat with a non-soul, if she's out of tricks she will definetly use it. She has no problems with stabbing someone in the head from the back.

Same with Urahara. Is not something they will use out of the bag, but it can be used as last resort or in a bloodlusted match.

Remember that you can't remove a soul from a soul, that's why is barely usefull in the Bleach Universe.
 
@AppleLord

Scans please.

Only to get him into Shinigami form.

When has she used it since then?

He certainly didn't use it against Askin, who is among the living and was clearly a life or death situation for him.

Regardless, if she hasn't used it in combat, it isn't worth adding to her profile.
 
Urahara is different because his Soul-Removal ability is via his Zanpakto, which is usuable only in Soul Reaper form.

Rukia's glove on the other hand is the complete opposite. It is not like a Zanpakto and she has only ever shown to use it while in the human world. Its an assumption to say it can work in the SS where everything is made of spirit particles just because it was created there. And even if it can be assumed, we never see Rukia use it when shes not in a Gigai. If she could use it while as a Soul Reaper we would have seen her use it against the Fullbringers like mentioned above or the quincy.
 
Reppuzan said:
@AppleLord

Scans please.

Only to get him into Shinigami form.

When has she used it since then?

He certainly didn't use it against Askin, who is among the living and was clearly a life or death situation for him.

Regardless, if she hasn't used it in combat, it isn't worth adding to her profile.
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Can you specify about "scans"?

Askin and all the Quincy's were in Soul Society and to enter Soul Society your body most be a soul or converted into a soul by Urahara's special gate.
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
Urahara is different because his Soul-Removal ability is via his Zanpakto, which is usuable only in Soul Reaper form.

Rukia's glove on the other hand is the complete opposite. It is not like a Zanpakto and she has only ever shown to use it while in the human world. Its an assumption to say it can work in the SS where everything is made of spirit particles just because it was created there. And even if it can be assumed, we never see Rukia use it when shes not in a Gigai. If she could use it while as a Soul Reaper we would have seen her use it against the Fullbringers like mentioned above or the quincy.
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That's not a good example specially when Fullbrings are weak to even consider such a trick. Regardless, shouldn't it be added and specify that she has only shown to use it on her Gigai form? And that it was created in SS and should have the same properties as Urahara's sword. Both are created by the same intel and both have the same design and effects. That should be fair enough.

Edit: Errors fix. I'm typing to fast on my phone.
 
I doubt it'd be the same as Urahara's sword otherwise Tatsuki and the others wouldnt have been able to see it from the start of the show where they had 0 spiritual capabilities.

Plus if she can only use it in her Gigai form then whats the point in listing it? Rukia will not be fighting opponents on this site as a Gigai as clearly she wouldnt stand a chance while in one, thus she wouldnt be given the proper chance to use it. Only as a Soul Reaper will she be fighting. Unless do you mean just list it for non-combat purposes?
 
ProfessorKukui4Life said:
I doubt it'd be the same as Urahara's sword otherwise Tatsuki and the others wouldnt have been able to see it from the start of the show where they had 0 spiritual capabilities.

Plus if she can only use it in her Gigai form then whats the point in listing it? Rukia will not be fighting opponents on this site as a Gigai as clearly she wouldnt stand a chance while in one, thus she wouldnt be given the proper chance to use it. Only as a Soul Reaper will she be fighting. Unless do you mean just list it for non-combat purposes?
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Where did Tatsuki and the others saw it? Show some scans about it, please. I don't remember any of them seen something until after she was able to see Ichigo in his shinigami form and the hollows.

Exaclty. Either non-combat purposes or it should be treated as Urahara's sword, because they are the same. Same squad origin, design and effects.
 
Right I think I mixed something up, my bad. Tho given it was Rukia in her Gigai who used the glove its likely they can see it. It was never stated to be something special like Ichigo's combat pass which has a sight barrier built in to prevent ordinary humans from seeing it.
 
I dont know. I honestly don't see the point in listing it at all if she cant use it outside of her Gigai form. She's not gonna enter a fight while first in her Gigai and is certanly not gonna try to force the soul out of foes who can insta-stomp her in that form anyway.

Urahara is an exception since he can do this via his Zanpakto but for Rukia I just don't see it. Theres too many guestimates.
 
If she can use it while as a Soul Reaper, is the glove the same as a Zanpakto, does it count as standard equipment, can it work during battle, etc.
 
1. Never got a chance to use it as a soul, most if not all of her enemies are in soul form. Against the fullbringer she appeared as a soul and there was no need to carry it since Ichigo had no powers. Probably the only time she left it behind. (The Glove can apply to prep time skip Rukia, base on this.)

2. The answered to that is obvious. The vessel is different, however, the creator, symbol and the ability is the same.

3. Obviously.

4. Against none-soul bodies, yes. Unless, it was shown to not work on humans which were not willingly.
 
I've lost interest on the topic. If you truly believe that it's irrelevant to add such ability, then I will support you.

I Just remembered that Goku, Piccolo and Tien have Sealing (via Mafuba) in their profiles. The funny thing about it is that not a single one of them have use it in combat or carry the vessel and the seal to close it.

So...
 
To be fair Ichigo having no powers isnt an excuse since Rukia's purpose in meeting him there along with the Fullbringers was to restore his powers. But everything else may sound fair.

Ultimiately its up to Rep and/or other mods to decide if its listable.

Urahara should definitely get it.

Also wouldnt Renji, Byakuya and Kenpachi have portal creation too? They (and likely the other Gotei 13 soul reapers) can open the Senkaimon on their own. We saw Renji do it when they captured Rukia and at least Byakuya or Kenpachi do it when they came to retrieve the Hitsugaiya Team.
 
Lets say for example that Urahara is fighting, hmm.....Naruto. And during the battle Urahara uses his ability to remove Naruto's soul from his body. Wouldnt that result in an automatic win against him? And not just him but almost anyone?

After all, Naruto for example is clearly not a Soul Reaper so when his Soul gets removed he'd be a normal human Konpaku like Ichigo was after Byakuya took away his powers. Then at that point Naruto's soul would be connected to his body but only through the Chain of Fate. What were to happen if lets say Kisuke broke the chain? Naruto would then have no way of ever returning to his body ever again after that and the enroachment of the broken chain would eventually turn him into a Hollow. And the same thing would apply to anyone else who cannot fight or use their powers in soul form or can't live without a soul. Basically unless you can continue fighting as a Soul, anyone who gets hit with this hax would literally be powerless to continue fighting and it'd basically be an automatic win. Would this be correct?
 
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