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Kanzaki Kaori vs Roronoa Zoro
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zoro wins thanks to higher mobility, versality and ranged slashes,
kanzaki may react to zoro but he can simply keep his distance and attack from over 500 meters away,
to boot, he can tank a immense lot of injuries and still fight,
so even in close range he should be able to have the upper hand, at least until kanzaki activates yuisen that makes her temporarily island lvl (but it tires her out a lot too and fast at that)...
all in all, close fight with 56 of 100 fights for zoro due to higher mobility and range...
kanzaki may react to zoro but he can simply keep his distance and attack from over 500 meters away,
to boot, he can tank a immense lot of injuries and still fight,
so even in close range he should be able to have the upper hand, at least until kanzaki activates yuisen that makes her temporarily island lvl (but it tires her out a lot too and fast at that)...
all in all, close fight with 56 of 100 fights for zoro due to higher mobility and range...
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I don't know about versatility when Zoro only has variation of slashes when Nanasen attacks from all angles.. that sounds more versatile to me.
ranged slashes don't matter, Kanzaki could dodge them with ease. how does he expect to hit from 500 metres away? and since when does Zoro (who is a respectable swordsman) run away and fight ranged?
Zoro will fight headon, and while he has the movement speed their combat speed is more or less the same, and close range suits kanzaki where she can trap him with nanasen or oneshot with Yuisen.
I vote for Kanzaki.
ranged slashes don't matter, Kanzaki could dodge them with ease. how does he expect to hit from 500 metres away? and since when does Zoro (who is a respectable swordsman) run away and fight ranged?
Zoro will fight headon, and while he has the movement speed their combat speed is more or less the same, and close range suits kanzaki where she can trap him with nanasen or oneshot with Yuisen.
I vote for Kanzaki.
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^his slashes are a lot on the ranged side, for example, if he cuts somehow through a object far larger than his sword than obviously he used his ranged attacks (otherwise the cut wouldnt have went through the whole thing)
he also has haki that allows him to read his enemys mind, and imo a lot more skill than kanzaki in terms of swordmanship...
but your reasons make sense too, only that for me zoro takes it most of the time :/
he also has haki that allows him to read his enemys mind, and imo a lot more skill than kanzaki in terms of swordmanship...
but your reasons make sense too, only that for me zoro takes it most of the time :/
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Kanzaki should win this with mid difficulty. She has an edge on versatility, having several different types of magic (offensive, defensive and support-type). She might also have a slight edge on skill, Zoro usually goes for raw power over technique and Kanzaki usually combines her superhuman strength and senses for very delicate and precise applications of strength. She should be able to easily overpower him and cut him and his swords in half with Yuisen when she realizes Zoro is a fighter on her level, which she will either do quickly or even reflexively if he takes her by surprise. While Zoro shouldn't be hampered much by Nanasen, it can open him for one second or two which is all Kanzaki needs to finish this.
Zoro's range advantage is useless since they both start close to each other, and as LordAizen mentioned, Zoro (in character) is not the kind of guy who would backpedal against one enemy, especially another swordsman. He's going to charge right in. Even if he tried putting some distance between them, Kanzaki has her own offensive spells, plus she could always use magic to hide her presence, get close again and wait until Zoro drops his guard to attack again. Zoro's major advantage here is his endurance since he's able to take a lot of punishment, but not only is this punishment usually blunt damage/pain/regular slashes (so it won't help him if he's cut in half); Kanzaki can always retreat for a second using magic, hide her presence and heal herself. His stamina could help him outlast her if she used Yuisen for a long time, but that's not an issue when Kanzaki likely oneshots him in less than a minute if she tries using it.
Zoro's range advantage is useless since they both start close to each other, and as LordAizen mentioned, Zoro (in character) is not the kind of guy who would backpedal against one enemy, especially another swordsman. He's going to charge right in. Even if he tried putting some distance between them, Kanzaki has her own offensive spells, plus she could always use magic to hide her presence, get close again and wait until Zoro drops his guard to attack again. Zoro's major advantage here is his endurance since he's able to take a lot of punishment, but not only is this punishment usually blunt damage/pain/regular slashes (so it won't help him if he's cut in half); Kanzaki can always retreat for a second using magic, hide her presence and heal herself. His stamina could help him outlast her if she used Yuisen for a long time, but that's not an issue when Kanzaki likely oneshots him in less than a minute if she tries using it.
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@LazyHunter
This is assuming either opponent doesn't send the other back. Zoro also has attacks like his Tatsumaki variations that can be used in the close and mid-range, and can literally travel a distance, engaging his opponents. Zoro is not a brute as of post time-skip, he fights very tactically, and will back-peddle if the situation calls for it (as when he had a highly intense duel against Kaku pre time-skip, and when he was taunting and evading Pica's sword swipes and stone attacks. He also fought very passively against Monet, but that fight was him being a joke).
He is a combative genius, and can come up with ways to overcome his opponent's power or attacks in a brief amount of time, but as far as I know about Kanzaki Kaori, she has always seemed strangely average in combat. There isn't anything especially tactical when it comes to her.
Zoro also has pre-cognition and a level of clairvoyance, so she would never be able to escape his range of vision when she tries to go for an attack, or retreats to heal. He will be on her ass the entire time.
When it comes to Yuisen, it should honestly be restricted as that's a massive tier gap, and would instantly give her a win against most 7-A characters. Though, when I looked at the reasoning for the tier (looking at other profiles), it's circle power-scaling, which is very strange.
Otherwise, Zoro should win this mid difficulty.
This is assuming either opponent doesn't send the other back. Zoro also has attacks like his Tatsumaki variations that can be used in the close and mid-range, and can literally travel a distance, engaging his opponents. Zoro is not a brute as of post time-skip, he fights very tactically, and will back-peddle if the situation calls for it (as when he had a highly intense duel against Kaku pre time-skip, and when he was taunting and evading Pica's sword swipes and stone attacks. He also fought very passively against Monet, but that fight was him being a joke).
He is a combative genius, and can come up with ways to overcome his opponent's power or attacks in a brief amount of time, but as far as I know about Kanzaki Kaori, she has always seemed strangely average in combat. There isn't anything especially tactical when it comes to her.
Zoro also has pre-cognition and a level of clairvoyance, so she would never be able to escape his range of vision when she tries to go for an attack, or retreats to heal. He will be on her ass the entire time.
When it comes to Yuisen, it should honestly be restricted as that's a massive tier gap, and would instantly give her a win against most 7-A characters. Though, when I looked at the reasoning for the tier (looking at other profiles), it's circle power-scaling, which is very strange.
Otherwise, Zoro should win this mid difficulty.
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so under the OP's conditions zoro wins mid diff? or under your conditions? Your vote won't count if it's the latter
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@Aizen - i forgot about including pre-cog when i initially made the post, but if we leave Yuisen, Zoro can still win, especially if he see's the initial attack coming and knows of its threat due to pre-cog. Kaori would seal her own fate by using the ability for too long.
With Yuisen included, Zoro should still win, unless Kaori gets a blow in when she see's an opening and somehow manages to exploit it without him reacting to it--which would not happen given that he can keep the pressure up in close-range, and dominate from further distances.
With Yuisen included, Zoro should still win, unless Kaori gets a blow in when she see's an opening and somehow manages to exploit it without him reacting to it--which would not happen given that he can keep the pressure up in close-range, and dominate from further distances.
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@CinCameron
There's nothing stopping Kanzaki from simply slicing through Zoro's weapons as he makes an attack given that she's a full Island level with Yuisen vs Zoro's likely Mountain level.
In addition, base Kanzaki is still stronger than Zoro in terms of AP.
There's nothing stopping Kanzaki from simply slicing through Zoro's weapons as he makes an attack given that she's a full Island level with Yuisen vs Zoro's likely Mountain level.
In addition, base Kanzaki is still stronger than Zoro in terms of AP.
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@CinCameron20
Kanzaki can fight Carissa (who's stronger than her), Knight Leader and the nerfed Acqua (who are comparable to her as Saint level fighters) at the same time to a draw. All three of them are very skilled fighters and sword users, with Acqua and KL being capable of fighting Curtana Original Carissa shortly after their own fight, not at 100% strength and while being totally incapable of actually parrying her sword strikes like Kanzaki could do. Kanzaki has also been said to be one of the Top 10 magicians in London, and Britain is one of the strongest magic factions in Toaru's world. Calling her an average fighter is clearly downplaying, and she has an entire novel where she spends her time coming up with plan and counters for Norse Myth magicians, which isn't even one of her branches of magic as an Amakusa.
Note that unlike you I didn't dismiss Zoro's skils, I just claimed that Kanzaki would have a slight edge on it. While skilled IMO Zoro as a swordsman relays more on his strength and endurance, even after the timeskip. With similar speeds trying to backpeddle means little when Kanzaki will chase him and can likely use magic to move faster than him, he's not going to gain enough ground for his range to do much, considering Kanzaki can and will simply cut his ranged slashes in half. I have never seen him as a type of fight genius or a specially tactical fighter, but if you can find an instance of him coming up with a plan to overcome a stronger opponent I'll concede that he's better than what I though at doing that kind of thing. Though there's really nothing much for him to exploit from Kanzaki except Yuisen using her stamina faster than usual, which is not a problem when she can oneshot him with it.
OP's Haki is helpful, but is not going to give him the victory here. The limited precognition it gives obviously doesn't work 100% of the time. And he won't be able to sense her with Haki if she tries to hide with magic, the hiding spells in Toaru work specifically to hide your presence from anyone outside the field, and even a lower tier magician like Oriana can mess with sixth senses and intuition type abilities. Not to mention Kanzaki has fought and held her ground against Carissa in two occasions, and Carissa can use magic to gain a sixth sense to read and predict the flow of battle and the enemy. This is a minor spell she and the Maiden of Versailles use, so it might be something fighters of that level like Kanzaki have; and even if she doesn't, Kanzaki has already proved herself to be capable of fighting someone with a sixth sense like that, so it won't be an issue on this fight, leaving Zoro's highly superior endurance and stamina as his major advantage right next to range, and I already explained why those aren't enough for him to win.
Yuisen is a technique, not a transformation. And I don't see what you mean with her tier being circle power-scaling; Saint level fighters have a statement, power-scaling to Gabriel who has feats on the level of the statements and higher plus a calc from a weaker magician failing to do much against one of them.
Kanzaki can fight Carissa (who's stronger than her), Knight Leader and the nerfed Acqua (who are comparable to her as Saint level fighters) at the same time to a draw. All three of them are very skilled fighters and sword users, with Acqua and KL being capable of fighting Curtana Original Carissa shortly after their own fight, not at 100% strength and while being totally incapable of actually parrying her sword strikes like Kanzaki could do. Kanzaki has also been said to be one of the Top 10 magicians in London, and Britain is one of the strongest magic factions in Toaru's world. Calling her an average fighter is clearly downplaying, and she has an entire novel where she spends her time coming up with plan and counters for Norse Myth magicians, which isn't even one of her branches of magic as an Amakusa.
Note that unlike you I didn't dismiss Zoro's skils, I just claimed that Kanzaki would have a slight edge on it. While skilled IMO Zoro as a swordsman relays more on his strength and endurance, even after the timeskip. With similar speeds trying to backpeddle means little when Kanzaki will chase him and can likely use magic to move faster than him, he's not going to gain enough ground for his range to do much, considering Kanzaki can and will simply cut his ranged slashes in half. I have never seen him as a type of fight genius or a specially tactical fighter, but if you can find an instance of him coming up with a plan to overcome a stronger opponent I'll concede that he's better than what I though at doing that kind of thing. Though there's really nothing much for him to exploit from Kanzaki except Yuisen using her stamina faster than usual, which is not a problem when she can oneshot him with it.
OP's Haki is helpful, but is not going to give him the victory here. The limited precognition it gives obviously doesn't work 100% of the time. And he won't be able to sense her with Haki if she tries to hide with magic, the hiding spells in Toaru work specifically to hide your presence from anyone outside the field, and even a lower tier magician like Oriana can mess with sixth senses and intuition type abilities. Not to mention Kanzaki has fought and held her ground against Carissa in two occasions, and Carissa can use magic to gain a sixth sense to read and predict the flow of battle and the enemy. This is a minor spell she and the Maiden of Versailles use, so it might be something fighters of that level like Kanzaki have; and even if she doesn't, Kanzaki has already proved herself to be capable of fighting someone with a sixth sense like that, so it won't be an issue on this fight, leaving Zoro's highly superior endurance and stamina as his major advantage right next to range, and I already explained why those aren't enough for him to win.
Yuisen is a technique, not a transformation. And I don't see what you mean with her tier being circle power-scaling; Saint level fighters have a statement, power-scaling to Gabriel who has feats on the level of the statements and higher plus a calc from a weaker magician failing to do much against one of them.
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@Reppuzan - How is her base stronger? Zoro is listed as "Likely" Mountain level due to This thread. Likely doesn't mean he is "Low end" Mountain level, if that's what you're thinking.
The initial post was thinking it was due to the "casual city+ feat", when i'm pretty certain I explained it.
Your response is making it out to be "Zoro can't dodge" the island level attack, even after he loses one of his blades. He overpowered Pica with two swords easily enough.
The initial post was thinking it was due to the "casual city+ feat", when i'm pretty certain I explained it.
Your response is making it out to be "Zoro can't dodge" the island level attack, even after he loses one of his blades. He overpowered Pica with two swords easily enough.
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@Cin
From my experience, a solid tier > than the hypothetical tier that "Likely" suggests, but I might be wrong.
Neither Luffy nor Zoro have been shown to use Kenbunshoku Haki in the midst of an attack from my experience, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
In addition, Zoro tends to parry and block attacks rather than dodge them. He could certainly be caught off guard by the sudden jump in power Yuisen provides which may allow Kanzaki to break Zoro's swords.
From my experience, a solid tier > than the hypothetical tier that "Likely" suggests, but I might be wrong.
Neither Luffy nor Zoro have been shown to use Kenbunshoku Haki in the midst of an attack from my experience, but feel free to correct me if I'm wrong.
In addition, Zoro tends to parry and block attacks rather than dodge them. He could certainly be caught off guard by the sudden jump in power Yuisen provides which may allow Kanzaki to break Zoro's swords.
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@Repp
I thought the same regarding Solid>Likely>Possibly, but Zoro is listed as Likely since he only has a 7-B+ feat, and that he powerscales higher than another Likely 7-A character (Pica, who should be comparable or even stronger than Lao G), since he basically one-shot him and still has not used Asura at this time.
There still has not been any serious fights especially for Zoro to require the use of Kenbunshoku haki outside of simply locating their presence, but he has used that part of clairvoyance several times. Zoro's only serious fight at this time was against Pica, and that was still an easy opponent for him, as he was only utilizing two swords for almost all of the fight. When regarding Haki as a whole, we only have vague explanations of it from Rayleigh and the very few feats with it.
As I said in the previous paragraph, Zoro's fights were incredibly easy for him to win. Fishman Island arc is not worth mentioning, Monet was trolled, and Pica's was nothing to him. Their fight was almost always off panel, and, when we next seem them fighting, Zoro is evading his strikes and counter attacking.
The anime shows them fighting A LOT, but we hardly see them fighting until they actually get on the flower hill. Pica only ever landed one actual strike on Zoro, and that was due to him being mid-air. more evasion in the next panel
Zoro has utilized Evasion in a lot of fight pre time-skip, especially in Thiller Bark and Enies Lobby. Against Ryuma (especially this fight), Kuma, and Kaku. All of his fights post time-skip were easy for him to win. He hardly thought of Pica as an actual threat, as shown in their entire confrontation.
I thought the same regarding Solid>Likely>Possibly, but Zoro is listed as Likely since he only has a 7-B+ feat, and that he powerscales higher than another Likely 7-A character (Pica, who should be comparable or even stronger than Lao G), since he basically one-shot him and still has not used Asura at this time.
There still has not been any serious fights especially for Zoro to require the use of Kenbunshoku haki outside of simply locating their presence, but he has used that part of clairvoyance several times. Zoro's only serious fight at this time was against Pica, and that was still an easy opponent for him, as he was only utilizing two swords for almost all of the fight. When regarding Haki as a whole, we only have vague explanations of it from Rayleigh and the very few feats with it.
As I said in the previous paragraph, Zoro's fights were incredibly easy for him to win. Fishman Island arc is not worth mentioning, Monet was trolled, and Pica's was nothing to him. Their fight was almost always off panel, and, when we next seem them fighting, Zoro is evading his strikes and counter attacking.
The anime shows them fighting A LOT, but we hardly see them fighting until they actually get on the flower hill. Pica only ever landed one actual strike on Zoro, and that was due to him being mid-air. more evasion in the next panel
Zoro has utilized Evasion in a lot of fight pre time-skip, especially in Thiller Bark and Enies Lobby. Against Ryuma (especially this fight), Kuma, and Kaku. All of his fights post time-skip were easy for him to win. He hardly thought of Pica as an actual threat, as shown in their entire confrontation.
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Kanzaki for reasons above.
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I think I'll vote for Kanzaki since she's a bit stronger.
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I agree with LordAizen and LazyHunter, vote for Kanzaki too.
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Zoro one shots with his finger
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Does he strike her in her belly button because it's wide exposed? XDLucifonityoplpopop said:
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Isn't Kanzaki already win this? She already got 8 votes.
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Zoro's profile is locked.
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That's four losses for him poor guy.
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i vote zoro for cincameron reasons
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