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Hunter X Hunter issues....

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I feel like the series is having ratings with no real reasons behind it.

For instance, Hisoka's AP is scaled to Chrollo, fighting toe to toe with him. If we go to Chrollo 's page, it ends with him just to be stated MCB "for being the strongest troupe member".

Speaking of Chrollo, his speed is scaled to fighting against Zeno and Silva, both who have hypersonic+ speeds, but in closer inspection, if we go to Silva's page, it just states Hypersonic+.

Zeno is then scaled for being stronger than Silva, and fighting toe to toe with Chrollo...what?


The point is, the people are being scaled to one another and eventually end up with people who have only a stated speed/strength without any explanation or calc.
 
I agree that this would be a problem. I will highlight this thread for more input.
 
Yeah.. unless feats are presented, I suggest that maybe they are made unknown for the time being?

EDIT: Well I guess Prom got rid of the AP confusion. Still the speed...
 
Uvogin's MCB feat scales to chrollo, making both of them the strongest of the group (somehow), which would also include Hisoka for fighting fairly even with chrollo...

We would need to also place "powerscaling to" instead of leaving it with just "via powerscaling."
 
Okay. Thanks. Perhaps there need to be clearer links to the speed calculation within the profiles, to avoid misunderstandings?
 
Wait I thought Uvogin was physically the strongest Troupe member? How is Chrollo being scaled to Uvogin? In Hunter x Hunter rank isn't determined by strength, rather abilities and control over Nen. Nobody in Troupe can beat Uvogin in fist fight, I am really doubtful of the scaling from him. Chrollo is not even in top 5 in arm wrestling amongts the troup members


Uvogin strongest
Phantom Troupe arm wrestling
 
Hmm. Is anybody interested in helping to fix the problems for the above linked profiles?

Anyway, if there are lots on character names without profiles in the verse page, I suppose that those can be removed.
 
Antvasima said:
Hmm. Is anybody interested in helping to fix the problems for the above linked profiles?
Anyway, if there are lots on character names without profiles in the verse page, I suppose that those can be removed.
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Have you seen my post above regarding the scaling of Chrollo from Uvogin? If we try to scale AP then almost all troupe members would be 8A (Chrollo is 7th in strength chart made by Togashi). Do you agree with that?
 
I agree that HxH characters are extremely hard to scale because of the reasons that you mentioned, but our standards usually state that characters able to harm other characters are placed within a similar tier range.
 
Hmmm maybe its just a fallacy of me, but ive an issue with Killuas lifting strength in his profile, isnt pushing 16 or 64 tons much easier(not for a normal human of course) than lifting 16 or 64 tons(Silva, Bisky or Razor could maybe lift that much, but Killua rather not)?

Well and building level strikes sounds strange too for Killua.
 
Antvasima said:
I agree that HxH characters are extremely hard to scale because of the reasons that you mentioned, but our standards usually state that characters able to harm other characters are placed within a similar tier range.
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So what will we do about it? Should all trupe members get scaled from Uvogin? I mean if Chrollo gets scaled then thise who're stronger than him should also get scaled by our wiki systrm(since Uvogin's AP comes ftom striking strength, not ability

I would prefer some more staff input regarding the scaling, is it ok to highlight the thread?
 
Well, Feitan is somehow 8-B, so we could use that to scale to the ones closer to him and let Uvogin scale to the top 3-ish fighters if that's alright.


The rest below should possibly scale off from Gon in Yorknew Arc (Since Shizuku armwrestled Gon and lost [though she didn't give it her all IIRC]).
 
Even if in physical ability they aren't equal, shouldn't most of them be comparable to Uvogin in AP via their nen?

And when Shizuku arm wrestled Gon she was using her weak arm, and supposedly would have won without much difficulty using her left hand, so they could probably be placed at "at least" Gon's level.
 
Doesnt no one except me think that pushing is much easier than lifting(and cant be used for Killuas lifting strength)?
 
It is easier, yes, but not extremely easier. It would have to be calculated.
 
Hmm ok then, is someone here good in physics and can maybe say how much difference(approximately) there is?
 
So for the troupe's AP-

Uvogin- MCB (calced)

Phinks- MCB (second strongest + nen ability of wind-up)

Hisoka- MCB (third strongest)

Feitan- CB in base (fifth strongest member), MCB with rising sun (we need a calc to double check)

Machi- CB (under Feitan in strength)

Chrollo- CB (seventh strongest in the group) possibly MCB (fought fairly well against Hisoka)

Nobunga- CB (ninth strongest member of the group)

Kalluto- LBL (stronger than base Killua)


This sounds alright?


Now for Youpi and Pouf's, we just need to clarify it comes from Pitou.


This now only leaves Ging, Kite, Zeno, and Silva. That and the speed for everyone mentioned above.
 
I am uncertain. We preferably need more community input, but I have already highlighted this, and nobody seems interested in helping out.
 
I know. I am going to check people in the supporters and message them to see if they can help right now.


Edit: Got quite a few in. I asked Celestial Pegasus, Marvel Fanatic, LordAizenSama, and two others.
 
Silva and Zeno should scale to Ilumi and Gotoh, both of whom are comparable (at least enough that they wouldn't be a tier below him) to Hisoka.

And both Silva and Zeno consider the phantom troupe and its members to be very dangerous, to the point where they warn their kids to never interact with any of them. And Hisoka considers it too risky to fight two Phantom Troupe members at once, especially if one of them's Chrollo.

And as I said earlier, even if they don't scale physically, most members of the Phantom Troupe should scale to one another, and Uvogin, via their Nen abilities.
 
I agree with Blahblah9755. All the phantom troupe members with the exception of Kalluto should scale to Hisoka (especially Chrollo). As shown during their fight in the manga, Chrollo was very easily able to harm him, and (spoilers) even ended up "killing" him. So he shouldn't be a tier below him.

Hisoka has also shown to be wary of the other troupe members in the past which shouldn't be the case if they aren't a threat to him.
 
Scaling the members who have less raw power than Uvogin to Hisoka, seems reasonable.
 
Not sure if anyone mentioned this, but Gon's Jajanken Rock is used for his speed and striking strength and apparently the AP for it is around 340,000 tons/ 340 Kilotons (which is around High 7-C).

Any reason why we never scaled this before?
 
Well its maybe just my opinion but i think the speed calc for his punch is wrong, cause its(like already stated in that linked thread) completly ignoring the influence of Nen on that punch. But the AP is a different story(and could be right maybe).
 
@MarvelFanatic119 Well, if the calculation was accepted by the OBD, I suppose that an upgrade might be in order then.

However, somebody will have to work out how this will scale for different HXH characters, and also perform the required changes to all of them.
 
Let's see:

Gon would scale obviously

Killua Possibly along with his family (Illumi, Silva and Zeno)

Hisoka as well

The Phantom Troupe as well

The Chimera Ants obviously (Neferpitou and Meruem specifically)

Netero as well

And lastly Kite and Ging

That's all I can think of honestly
 
That calc that Marvel posted, if you read the comments down below, it is said to only be Buliding level.
 
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