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Luigi VS Tails (5-11-0)

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Preparation is definitvely what gives Tails the W here, we have seen Tails already make dimensional travel machines with less time, and Eggman, who he is comparable to, make mind control rays with the emeralds/wisps

With prep, especialy two entire weeks, he could easily know things about Luigi and prepare himself against him and exploit his weakeness, and make machines to mind control or BFR him away and all or many more

So I vote Tails because of his greater inteligence, and prep time to counter Luigi
 
Luigi have the AP advantage, but he's no match for Tails with 2 weeks of prep and far superior intelligence

Tails FRA
 
Prep makes this heavily in Tails's favor. Don't really see him doing anything to make him lose.
 
Without Prep Tails is stomped by Luigi. Luigi has far higher AP (starry sky vs 26 * baseline 4-A), and a lot of haxes with equipment. Also Luigi has prep time too
 
Yes that's why I was given Tiles Preparation

I felt Luigi AP Stomp if Tiles had no preparation
 
Gilad Hyperstar said:
Without Prep Tails is stomped by Luigi. Luigi has far higher AP (starry sky vs 26 * baseline 4-A), and a lot of haxes with equipment. Also Luigi has prep time too
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Luigi having prep time wouldn't really change the results that much, Tails still has much greater inteligence and feats using prep (fake emerald plan in Adventure 2) to use that prep time compared to Luigi
 
Wow this was quick. Okay.

What stops Luigi from stopping time, sealing Tails, BFR, transmutation, perception manipulation, passive ressurection, using Slim to bypass any move thrown at him, etc.

Can I see where Tails' mind manipulation comes from? I can't seem to find it. I can't seem to know where his BFR specifically comes from, but trying to look it up, it just looks like it's via teleporting someone to a random location. To my knowledge, this is from Sonic Shuffle. So this only seems to teleport the person at a random location on the board. Luigi isn't an idiot, sure Tails is far more intelligent, but Luigi is likely going to use an ability that ends the fight immediately (time stop, transmutation, sealing) since he's going to know what kind of opponent he's facing.
 
You are acting as if Tails can't counter those basic moves with prep lol, what stops all that IS Tails simple thinking of ways to counter it with his own prep time and greater inteligence

Mind control comes from the fact Eggman made one, and as seen in Lost World Tails can easily reprogram Eggman technology, so he could easily do that with over two weeks, we seen Tails build more in less in way lesser time, like a fake emerald and a alien translator, he re using something in verse is the least he can do

The BFR is actualy a ship he build in Sonic Rush Adventure capable of dimensional travel, with prep he can easily change it to just send people away, something easily done

Sure Luigi is not a idiot but compared to Tails he might be, everything Luigi can do Tails can find a way to counter it and build a counter with a machine, doesn't matter the amount of powers and how he will use them since thanks to the inteligence gap Tails would have created a counter

Prep time fights are like chess, having good pieces doesn't mean victory, but how you can counter our opponent and think ahead

Time stop comes from a item, with prep Tails can think of a way to remove it before Luigi uses it, like exploiting his fear, BFR same, passive ressurection is useless based on the fact Tails isn't going to win by killing him, Tails also has transmutation and prep counters it hard by Tails simply just using robots to do so, which he can do that in Tails Adventure

Tails also has passive probality manipulation, ressurection, and descontruction, prep just give Tails the W
 
Theuser789 said:
You are acting as if Tails can't counter those basic moves with prep lol, what stops all that IS Tails simple thinking of ways to counter it with his own prep time and greater inteligence

>The thing is, this is somewhat of a NLF. We can basically just say Tails can bypass anything because he's super smart. And while that can be somewhat true, I'm not sure if we can just say anything Luigi throws at him is going to be useless, otherwise it's a stomp.

Mind control comes from the fact Eggman made one, and as seen in Lost World Tails can easily reprogram Eggman technology, so he could easily do that with over two weeks, we seen Tails build more in less in way lesser time, like a fake emerald and a alien translator, he re using something in verse is the least he can do

>I can see this as a wincon, though I'd like to point out Slim can just completely bypass anything Tails throws at him.

The BFR is actualy a ship he build in Sonic Rush Adventure capable of dimensional travel, with prep he can easily change it to just send people away, something easily done

>Things like Retry Clock should be able to work around the BFR if Luigi ends up going inside. Another thing he can use is Mario's cap, which gives him his abilities and thus can use time travel.

Sure Luigi is not a idiot but compared to Tails he might be, everything Luigi can do Tails can find a way to counter it and build a counter with a machine, doesn't matter the amount of powers and how he will use them since thanks to the inteligence gap Tails would have created a counter

Prep time fights are like chess, having good pieces doesn't mean victory, but how you can counter our opponent and think ahead

>Same as above

Time stop comes from a item, with prep Tails can think of a way to remove it before Luigi uses it, like exploiting his fear, BFR same, passive ressurection is useless based on the fact Tails isn't going to win by killing him, Tails also has transmutation and prep counters it hard by Tails simply just using robots to do so, which he can do that in Tails Adventure

>Perception Manipulation or Slim (which makes him flat, not allowing anything to actually touch him) can allow Luigi to get the edge in using this immediately. Especially since perception manipulation is thought based. Luigi resists transmutation from Kamek, and his transmutation can affect multiple people at once.

Tails also has passive probality manipulation, ressurection, and descontruction, prep just give Tails the W
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Overall, I'm voting incon. Both characters have ways of countering each other, Tails' intellect can definitely make this such a close match due to his preparations and many possible outcomes. But Luigi in this case can also possibly do the same, and due to some of his thought based abilities that can allow him to use whatever ability he wants afterwards can also give Tails a rough time, plus with the addition of things like the Mario cap which gives Luigi every ability Mario himself has. So yeah, I think incon.
 
It's not a NLF because Tails has countered with less time things more dificult, with less time he made a fake emerald that could cause a chain reaction with a real one which Eggman couldn't see it was a fake, made a functional translator with a completely unknow alien language, reprogramed robotization, etc. Countering powers based on items is as easy as removing the itens from the equation, a very easy thing to do with a character with inteligence as Tails versus a person like Luigi who has very easy exploits like his ghost fear, also Luigi can just punch him or Tails's plans might fail, so not a stomp, more like a decisive victory

As said above Tails can counter the pixel itself by removing it before Luigi can use it, any ability coming from a item can just be countered like that, and Tails himself in canon already made power up containers for Sonic, doing the opposite with two weeks is easy

Fair on perception manipulation and transmutation resistance, but Tails can counter items itself as said above, and Tails can think ways

Luigi can't do the same in Tails's levels, just not happening, Mario cap is countered as said above about itens and can be literaly blow away by strong wind in game and by being hurt? I think that's a way but I don't renember

I definitvely still keep my vote for Tails, prep plus big inteligence is too much for Green Stache
 
I'm not denying Tails can come up with solutions on certain things, but there are some things we don't know if Tails can actually counter. Because here's the thing with Luigi's good items. He uses them immediately, and it's over for Tails. I do wanna bring up Slim again. As soon as Luigi uses that, what does Tails do. Tails basically can't hit Luigi at all due to being flat to the point nothing can even hurt him. Projectiles, objects, enemies, etc are just go through him. Luigi however can still use an item while using Slim. I can definitely see him use Slim and go for anything else.

I'm not sure how Tails is gonna get Slim since it has a mind of its own and thus Luigi can tell it to use it from the start. It also can use the same ability. Tails trying to remove an item is not gonna be easy and will definitely not work at the start since dimensional storage and such.

I think the wind blowing is hat is a game mechanic since it applies to anyone's hats. They can escape black holes and keep their clothing so.

I think I'm actually voting for Luigi. Here's how I can see him win. He can use thought based perception manipulation at the start, giving him extra time to use Slim and bypass anything Tails throws at him. He then can use any item that will benift him like the stop watch or catch card and then end it. I'm not sure how Tails is going to get through thought-based perception manipulate, since it slows down all of Luigi's enemies immediately and gives him a lot more time.
 
Cool, but Tails can counter Slim by literaly just removing him from the equation immediately, if he is literaly that useful Tails is easily going to make a plan to just remove he using pixels, not even ignoring, he having a mind of his own make it even easier, heck Tails could just mind control as a counter, he has 2 whole weeks to think a way to remove a small creature out, Luigi only relying on one dude would be one of the worst things he could do

Tails can literaly create power ups and a dimensional storage of his own in Lost World, he could easily reverse enginer it in 2 weeks

Except those are their regular hats, nothing really implies those special hats could survive that, as far as we know wind can blow them

And Tails can easily counter such a simple plan in 2 weeks, scare Luigi then mind control/BFR pixels, boom gone, and something Tails can easily do, can just counter Luigi even using any item but just ******* his hammerspace since Tails has build one and etc

Tails is going to plan for anything that could beat him in 2 weeks, so simply using a item isn't going to work

This is like chess, while Luigi thinks of his play one a good player would already thought his opponents plays, how to counter it, what would he use afterwards and etc. He would just be a step ahead
 
Please tell me how Tails is going to just immediately get Slim before Luigi can use him. This is also not gonna be easy when Luigi can start the match with thought based perception manipulation. Tails needs to find a way to get rid of Slim instantly before Luigi uses a thought based perception manipulation. Tails needs to bypass a thought based move. This is going to be unlikely, even with the prep.

Creating power-ups isn't going to stop a thought based move.

Hats that can transform you into other people is a normal hat? Again, just a game mechanic.

A simple plan doesn't always mean it won't work. Because that simple plan is fast. Very fast. Luigi literally just thinks and it's over. He can use Slim and after that, just finish it.

"Tails is going to plan for anything" See, that's what blows me off. Saying Tails can counter something he hasn't dealt with is just off.

It's not always about who has more wincons. The fact that Luigi just needs to think should be enough as to why he wins. Tails needs to figure out how to stop someone from thinking at the start.
 
Not really when Luigi has a blatant weakness that it's his fear? He can literaly just spook him then use a invetion to BFR him or whatver, Luigi has shit confidence that with prep Tails can exploit

No, never said it would tho, that wasn't my argument

Again, I said it wasn't a normal hat, so we can't aply things from a normal hat to it, pretty sure even being hurt drops it as well, which doesn't happen with your normal hat even in gameplay, proving it's diferent

Simple plan also mean easy counter, and Tails has two entire weaks, he has countered things he didn't know with less time then just a dude who has a buddy with special powers

And he has two entire weaks and Luigi has lot of weaknesses to exploit, Tails would already thought something before the match even began
 
What about Luigi's fear? Tails spooking him isn't gonna be instant, you realize he NEEDS to still get passed Luigi thinking, right? Luigi isn't the biggest pussy out there, Tails is gonna have to pull out whatever it is to scare Luigi before Luigi thinks. Luigi's option is still faster.

Luigi losing his hat after getting hit is fairly common in Mario since you know...you lose a power-up when getting hit? Tails still needs to hit Luigi.

You're kinda dodging my question. How is Tails going to bypass thought based hax. Tails is smart and can come up with many strategies, but I just can't see him get through thought based abilities. You need to show how Tails can bypass someone thinking, otherwise your arguments fall under "This works if Luigi gives Tails enough time" which won't be the case here.
 
Bruh, Tails knows he just needs to think, you think he won't think of that, Luigi is a big pussy, he just needs to make the place spooky to scare or trick him, also Slim is not a instant win, Luigi can still be hurt if he even moves a centimenter, only invencible if he remains completely still, something Tails can easily sploit

Tails can literaly drop a bunch of bombs/dummy rings to do so

Easily, exploiting the weakness of said hax that he can't move otherwise he is vulberable, Tails has multiple ways to force Luigi to move, Luigi "thinking" doesn't end the fight and has weaknesses

Also perception manipulation can be countered with adrenaline rush, with two weeks Tails can just remove it's weakness or make a robot use it on him
 
Also did y'all forgot about the Flickies? They're constantly there and can easily distract Luigi or make him move which will make his hax fail
 
Yeah, Tails isn't going to be by himself, there's the Flickies and even robots, which counter Slim "don't move thing"
 
Tails needs to make a spooky place for Luigi? Yeah, assuming the fight STARTS there. SBA makes this fight not start there, and while you can make the argument that Tails is going to whip this out right before the fight start, I can make the argument that Luigi can start the fight with Mario's cap and use Flip which is a better version of Slim. My argument for Slim is that Tails can't harm Luigi at all and basically can't do anything here. Luigi then can use any other item which works very quickly.

How is going to force Luigi to move when he can't even harm Luigi? Luigi thinking is going to slow Tails down by a lot, allowing Luigi to use anything to help him out.
 
Gilad Hyperstar said:
Also did y'all forgot about the Flickies? They're constantly there and can easily distract Luigi or make him move which will make his hax fail
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Yes, assuming Luigi isn't going to use the exact same thing on Tails.
 
The Flickies are seperate from Tails and attack on their own. Tails doesn't really command them or anything. Also as User said, Tails can also make Robots for distraction
 
That changes absolutely nothing. Luigi thinks, the Flickies gets affected too. Luigi's first move is gonna be thought-based perception manipulation.
 
The Robots aren't going to be affected since they don't have a mind. Also Tails can like set bombs that would explode the moment Luigi enter the battlefield and other things that will work on their own
 
Flip is limited and unlike Slim you can't harm the opponent while using it, so it would be worser actualy

Tails can easily make Luigi move, unlike Luigi Tails can fly, even better in super form, he has the range advantage, plus shit like Asteroid and Violet to eat the floor away forcing him to move, Tails could just outrange him if he uses Slim

Also Adreline Rush( which would work because of reasons explained) and speed amps like speed shoes aren't making Tails that slow, plus the fact he could just get out of range as well
 
Tails could just chill in space and outrange Luigi while Flickies and robots deal with Weegee
 
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