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Is the Grappler Baki verse really that strong?

NikHelton

NikHelton

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I'm not really a person who is familiar with GB verse, but the local level of strength is a bit stressful for me.

All level 7-C feats are scaled from earthquake-stopping feats. It certainly looks good, but... The verse does not have any more feats, at least as close to this level. Even on 8-A.
I really think this is strange, because this way the high-tier get a lot of damage from low-end characters (Motobe and his level 9-A), which doesn't make sense at all.

These same characters can't bite through solid material and get a little stun from bomb blasts.

Maybe I'm wrong about something and I would like to see an answer from the experts of the verse. So far, it looks like outlier to me.
 
Yeah, the Earthquake feat is kinda iffy. However, there are dozens of nuke statements that could support a 7-C rating

Prom will soon make a CRT to fix that. The top tiers will probably end at 8-A
 
I really would like to see this, because all that points to 7-C is exploits with earthquakes and dubious claims that Yujiro is stronger than all US weapons (I don't think he ever faced a nuclear bomb face-to-face at all)
 
From what I'm hearing 8-A up to possibly 7-C will be the new thing. I personally am neutral on the whole 7-C thing.

The earthquake feat is the main 7-C feat along with statements of Yujiro/Yuichiro's power on multiple occasions. Also Yuichiro scales to being able to no sell bombardments from the US military without a scratch which I believe is like 8-B or 8-A. There's also multiple statements about how Oliva and people above him are bulletproof.
 
Whether Yujiro is able to withstand massive bombardment on the body? I think when it was said that it is stronger than the entire army, it meant that they do not even have a chance to hit it.
And bulletproof characters... Even with all the calc of the verse and the power of the machine guns, the maximum that is pulled is High 8-C.
I think Yujiro's best feat is shaking a skyscraper and you can try to find this energy.

With other characters... A Taser and a firearm pose a danger to Musashi. Dynamite, chains, and knives are also dangerous to him and Jack. The fact that such weapons bleed High 8-C can still be assumed, referring to the speed of impact. But with 7-C, it looks ridiculous.
 
Well Musashi and Jack aren't 7-C so I don't understand your point at the end. All of the 7-C's have been shown to be bulletproof and also can tank explosives. Characters only become fully bulletproof at 8-B, so it's actually consistent that firearms still pose a threat to someone like Jack. And even then, this is fiction. Authors don't know everything when they are making their manga. Going off of your logic I could say that one piece characters are only 9-B since Whitebeard was harmed by guns and canons. But as I said, Itagaki actually handles guns and explosives very well by making his god tires immune to them.

Also not Yujiro, but his father Yuichiro, is the one who tanked military bombardments. They made it clear that he wasn't hiding from the explosives. He was taking the army head on and won.
 
He was not necessarily in the midst of the bombing. The farther you are from the explosion, the less damage you carry.

I have already seen a similar formula somewhere, and even the same Mercer on it has no more than 8-C through survival after a nuclear explosion.
Bombing is usually a series of multiple explosions, so I can't say for sure whether they should be considered together if we don't know if Yuichiro was near the explosions or just took them in the face.
 
NikHelton said:
He was not necessarily in the midst of the bombing. The farther you are from the explosion, the less damage you carry.
I have already seen a similar formula somewhere, and even the same Mercer on it has no more than 8-C through survival after a nuclear explosion.
Bombing is usually a series of multiple explosions, so I can't say for sure whether they should be considered together if we don't know if Yuichiro was near the explosions or just took them in the face.
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He was on a small island and they bombed it enough to change the shape of the land, if even he wanted to hide he couldn't have.

Also it was over 1000 tons for many days, which would technically be Low 7-C, but realistically it would be in the 8-B to 8-A range due to how they spread out the munitions each day.
 
Theres like no way to know how much of the bombs actually hit him though.

And when it shows us him the landscape of the island isnt actually changed, like theres some very underwhelming craters and a dude just standing. Not even in a crater despite the claims of him tanking all the shots and everything.
 
Yeah it's basically impossible for him to have not been hit at least once and likely many more times. Everything on the island was pulverized leaving nowhere to hide, and on top of it the island is only 1km in diameter. Which is ridiculously small.

Also something I noted after looking over the chapters again. The way Tokugawa tells the story makes it seem like they actually used 1000 tons per day. Like he says the 1000 tons line and then talks about only the first attack. Then he says this process continued repeatedly for multiple days. Could be part of the translations tho so I'm unsure about this.
 
If all this does not have calculations, then the profiles should not contain "High 8-C/8-B, likely far high". Shouldn't this work just like with other verses? It just now looks like something set at random and without reason.
 
We are shown the island again after the first bombing as well as yuchiro and the island definetly wasnt like flattened or turned into a giant crater or like even changed that drastically. Like it looks the same it did on the first day.

Maybe the dude drawing just didnt want to make too much effort drawing like a super bombed out place
 
A couple things to address.

The High 8-C's scale from the current lightning calc.

The island is shown to have a different shape, nothing crazy but this can be attributed to Itagaki doing the very common mangaka thing of not caring about backgrounds. By putting the statement he's able to get away with putting less detail into the island. Kubo did this all the time with bleach as well if you've ever read that.

The entire island was affected as well since we see when they send foot soldiers into the island, the entire island is charred black, with a thick dark smoke rising into the air from the wreckage.
 
Could you show this moment?

But still, if the verse does not have calculations higher than High 8-C, then shouldn't the characters have this level, with the PostScript "At least, likely much higher"
 
Yeah, Yujiro alone has nearly 10 statements that say he's either at nuke level or stronger, as well as Yuichiro's bomb tanking and Baki and Yujiro's meetings being more dangerous than multiple war zones combined
 
Could this be the same kind of metaphor as Baki's jab, which is faster than the speed of light?
 
If it was a one time thing like Baki's jab then yes. But it's stated and basically forced down our throat multiple times by Itagaki.
 
Yeah, Baki's Jab is treated like an outlier or exaggeration for the same reason as Yujiro dodging lightning is treated as an outlier: it's only stated once and isn't consistent with most showings. Yujiro being nuke level holds water through those 3 statements, about 6 others, and scaling, as well as certain feats
 
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