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Hakumen vs Ahzek Ahriman (GRACE)

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Ok, so what stops Hakumen from time killering Ahzek, or just slashing once at him after he's been paralyzed?
 
Precognition to see this happen to him. Ahriman's precognition is viewing the higher-dimensional patterns of the Warp. Then acting accordingly afterwards. I think he has multiple ways to win.

Sending him to the same void he sent Ynnead (not the 1-A version) and nullifying their abilities.

Stripping away resistances to his abilities and going from there.

He can use Warp Lure which could possibly cause Greater Daemons to come and try to consume him.
 
Hakumen has cosmic awareness and precognition to see what's going to happen as well.

Hakumen resists power null and BFR

On what level does he resistance negate? Cause a lot of BlazBlue characters including Hakumen are going to resist Resistance Negation on a high level.

Hakumen has fought and killed monsters that consumes others. That's nothing new to him.
 
Ahriman can deal with opponents who can see the future regardless and he can manipulate his own fate and causality. There's not much he can do if Ahriman just jumps into the Warp either.

Ahriman nullified Yncarne's abilities which are tier 1 iirc. His BFR also worked on it when it resists basically everything Warp related. It's a weird case but Ahriman was able to do it. Psykers can resist BFR but still get sucked into the Warp regardless of how physically strong they are or how they try to counter.

Also Greater Daemons in the Warp are generally Tier 1.
 
How good is said Fate and Causality? Cause Hakumen's soul damage is beyond recovery of Phenomena Intervention from the BlazBlue gods themselves. Which all have Fate and Causality stuff going on.

Can you elaborate on the "weird case" Ahzek had when BFR-ing Yncarne?

If he can summon Tier 1 creatures then why doesn't he have Tier 1 summons on his profile?
 
You can just scale him above all the Thousand Son Sorcerors who are powerful in varying degrees. Like I know Phenomena Intervention is picking a fate from infinite possibilities. Here it depends on the user. Though if Ahriman gets hit he isn't coming back unless Tzeentch feels like it.

Warp Fate: Ahriman rips aside the veil of time and space, wrenching apart the strands of fate and twisting causality exactly to his liking.

Yncarne is an existence which repulses Chaos. Even the Chaos Gods cannot "look" at it. Ahriman was still able to BFR even though Warp abilities don't work against it. So it's kinda shrouded in mystery.

No idea but it isn't really set in stone. The power of the Daemon can vary but it is possible for Greater Daemons to come. It could be minor grunts but considering Ahrimans power it isn't out of this world for a Greater Daemon that wants to feast to show up. So the Daemon can vary from being just conceptual monsters that good enough Psykers can deal with to tier 1 GDs. Though I wouldn't rely on this because it isn't set in stone.
 
Well Hakumen resists Fate and Causality hax soooooo, doesn't seem like something that would help him that much.

So it's an offscreen feat?

So it can also be weaker monsters, that pretty much makes it a coin toss on what exactly he'd try to summon.
 
I just brought it up because he'd use it on himself and deal with other people messing with his fate with precognition and other such abilities.

It happened on screen but we don't know how it happened because Ynnead nature makes Chaos not work against him. So unless he used another medium or his hax was so potent it just worked.

"The howling, screaming vortex through which the Reborn passed was the embodiment of utter Chaos. So fierce and baleful was this passageway that it would have robbed the sanity of a lesser being in a matter of moments. Yet the Reborn found themselves floating through a tunnel in the Warp unhindered, as if borne by an underwater current. At their fore was the Yncarne, a revenant creature so inimical to Chaos that the stuff of the Empyrean could not slow it. Even the Gods of Chaos did not look upon the creature directly; the incarnation of Ynnead's essence was so anathema to them they could not truly perceive it, even had they known where to look."

  • Yncarne's weird existence
"A heartbeat later the Yncarne burst like a phoenix from the ground beneath the Queen of Suffering, reborn in a fountain of ice-blue energies. It held a long and shining Cronesword in both hands, and as it soared into the sky, it cut the Daemon queen in half from groin to neck. The deathly energies around it lent it speed; in a blur of purple-white motion, it hacked and slashed at the Greater Daemons until they had discorporated altogether. The weapon wielded by the avatar of Ynnead was Vilith-zhar, the Sword of Souls, largest and most powerful of the Croneswords. After millennia of slumber, its edge was hungry for the blood of the Eldar's persecutors. Like a bladed whirlwind, the Yncarne plunged into the Slaaneshi horde. Its every breath was a killing mist, its every thrust the final death of a shrieking Daemon."

  • Yncarne displaying tier 1 hax by killing Greater Daemons and their true forms
"Yvraine felt her hatred flare hot, her gyrinx growling at her side. There was their leader, commanding the throng from his perch on a disk of fiery metal. Casting aside her finery, she shot towards him like a living missile, her companions close on her heels. Calmly putting his staff aside, the champion of Tzeentch cupped his hands as if trapping a winged insect, and hurled a handful of nothingness upwards with a roar.

Along with the Visarch and the Yncarne, Yvraine suddenly found herself adrift -- not within the webway, but without. They were stranded in a near-silent limbo, trapped on the top of the psychocrystal walls. The sounds of battle were muffled beneath them, and the cool void sucked in its breath at their backs. Yvraine did not look around, for she felt something there, in the darkness. A voice in her mind said should she do so, she would behold the Changer of Ways himself, and learn the meaning of madness. That voice was not Eldar, but a human; it belonged not to a salvaged soul, but to the Arch-Sorcerer below. Another joined it; that of Elierrogh the Sage, one of the spirit passengers within her. She had studied this one at length.

A flash of insight struck Yvraine. 'Ahzek Ahriman!' she shouted, 'I have that which you seek. I can restore your brethren!'

A stone's throw away, the Visarch cut at the webway's exterior with the Sword of Silent Screams, but he could not scratch it. The Yncarne hissed in pain to her flank, trailers of purple mist unwinding from its body as it was dissolved by the aether behind.

'And why should I believe that?' came the sorcerous voice in Yvraine's head. 'You have no power here, in my new domain.' She felt white heat as something loomed behind, the fell gaze of godly eyes burning down upon her with terrible, inhuman focus."

  • Ynncarne getting oofed by Ahriman
Yeah pretty much it isn't a reliable method to win.
 
The paralysis seems to stop the mind from controlling the body. Which he can't do because of Ahriman's mental defences.

In any case Ahriman basically resists everything lower Psykers can do, like paralysis. Such as the top tier Sorcerers of their legion. Ahriman doesn't need to move to fight or use his abilities either. If this happens he just thinks and he's in the warp.
 
It's either Ahriman hops into the Warp and plans his next actions (or just leaves because he cba - needs to save his brethren)

Or Precogs, sees one hit will erase him from the multiverse and just BFRs into his void where even tier 1 hax doesn't work.

Or Ahriman changes his name and acts like fodder for a hundred years.
 
Doesnt Hakumen have a bunch of passives? Also iirc Yncarne has one tier 1 ability which is his death hax when he channels his true form and he doesnt even use it alot.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Doesnt Hakumen have a bunch of passives? Also iirc Yncarne has one tier 1 ability which is his death hax when he channels his true form and he doesnt even use it alot.
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Idk. And yes but it was still nullified, showing Ahriman has the capacity to nullify those abilities regardless of his special existence. Also he spammed it against Daemons and it's regarded if he hits you you're basically done for no matter what he does. It's Yvraine who doesn't use her death hax often not literal death itself.
 
Oh ok, so either Hakumen slashes his soul apart, or Ahzek manages to BFR or get lucky with his summons. Sounds a bit inconclusive to me.
 
He has kept up with Relius, who's able to speed amp to the point of blitzing Jin by surprise, so he could get a shot in if he can.
 
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