-
This forum is strictly intended to be used by members of the VS Battles wiki. Please only register if you have an autoconfirmed account there, as otherwise your registration will be rejected. If you have already registered once, do not do so again, and contact Antvasima if you encounter any problems.
For instructions regarding the exact procedure to sign up to this forum, please click here. -
We need Patreon donations for this forum to have all of its running costs financially secured.
Community members who help us out will receive badges that give them several different benefits, including the removal of all advertisements in this forum, but donations from non-members are also extremely appreciated.
Please click here for further information, or here to directly visit our Patreon donations page. -
Please click here for information about a large petition to help children in need.
Ultra Instinct Goku vs Super Sonic.
- Thread starter Omegas03
- Start date
- Status
- 8,845
- 5,370
In the invulnerability page it does say it works unless it's infinite, like the diference between 3-A and low 2-C, so Sonic should be invulnerable, but if people will use it that way is diferent
- 3,294
- 1,289
Being real here, how is this fair?
Goku can't harm Sonic in this state, Sonic has some real relevant hax here that will drop Goku and while they're both on a timer, Goku's is far shorter.
Really, what way is Goku supposed win or have a hope of winning?
Goku can't harm Sonic in this state, Sonic has some real relevant hax here that will drop Goku and while they're both on a timer, Goku's is far shorter.
Really, what way is Goku supposed win or have a hope of winning?
- 1,997
- 633
- Thread starter
- #9
How often does Sonic use his hax or lead with it? In all of his appeareances I almost never see him using his hax for a fight.
And I am sure the invulnerability is kinda NLF, if Goku has a clear AP advantage shouldn't he be able to bypass it?
If this is a stomp though I can change it to a stronger version of Goku like Current Blue, UIO2 or UIO3.
And I am sure the invulnerability is kinda NLF, if Goku has a clear AP advantage shouldn't he be able to bypass it?
If this is a stomp though I can change it to a stronger version of Goku like Current Blue, UIO2 or UIO3.
- 3,294
- 1,289
Invulnerability is very dependant on how it works for the particular character.
It sounds like NLF because Sonic's deals with physical damage and that's all Goku actually can do. Unless Goku becomes infinitely more powerful he cannot bypass that with pure force. He's got no attacks that fall outside the scope of Sonic's Invulernability.
Sonic doesn't spam hax but once he sees that Goku holds the advantage AP despite Sonic's invulerability, is rather tough and very hard to hit in the first place, Sonic is going to start using his other options.
That's really the problems with these kind of matchups. While Goku has an AP advantage over a good amount of Low 2-Cs he's doesn't really have hax, resistances or regen to hang with a lot of characters in the tier. So, you get him either AP stomping into the ground, winning due to his AP or being stomped because he's can't deal with the hax. Shoot, the reason that Goku beat He-Man but Jiren lost to Skeletor? Because He-Man refuses to use his hax while Skeletor will gleefully abuse his.
It sounds like NLF because Sonic's deals with physical damage and that's all Goku actually can do. Unless Goku becomes infinitely more powerful he cannot bypass that with pure force. He's got no attacks that fall outside the scope of Sonic's Invulernability.
Sonic doesn't spam hax but once he sees that Goku holds the advantage AP despite Sonic's invulerability, is rather tough and very hard to hit in the first place, Sonic is going to start using his other options.
That's really the problems with these kind of matchups. While Goku has an AP advantage over a good amount of Low 2-Cs he's doesn't really have hax, resistances or regen to hang with a lot of characters in the tier. So, you get him either AP stomping into the ground, winning due to his AP or being stomped because he's can't deal with the hax. Shoot, the reason that Goku beat He-Man but Jiren lost to Skeletor? Because He-Man refuses to use his hax while Skeletor will gleefully abuse his.
- 7,069
- 1,457
invulnerability as a whole is iffy as a ability. While on one side, the page says that invulnerability is only bypassed by dimensional tier jumping, but in actual practice it's generally agreed that invulnerability should only matter against those who are comparable in ap
- 8,845
- 5,370
Super Sonic doesn't have a time limit, it has been explained multiple times before
And yes, the invulnerability page does say it should only be bypassed with dimensional jumps, but nobody follows that for some reason
And yes, the invulnerability page does say it should only be bypassed with dimensional jumps, but nobody follows that for some reason
ShakeResounding
He/Him- 8,789
- 7,722
I've heard that you gotts be, like, thousands of times stronger or above simce some consider it just really good stonewall durability.Hst master said:
Also yeah, Sonic will use his hax in character. It's just that he generally doesn't lead with it, but he's not somebody who will never uuse his hax and is still a combat pragmatist despite not being as well-versed as Modern Sonic. And given that Sonic seems to have nothing but time here, he'll inevitably go for something that negates durability in some fashion.
This might be a stomp tbh.
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,411
- 4,333
What's their AP difference? Since I'm pretty sure Classic Super is baseline or just slightly above it
Also. does Goku have anything to bypass Sonic's invulnerability?
If yes, I'm voting Sonic since he's likely to use his hax before Goku, and if not, then it's a stomp
Also. does Goku have anything to bypass Sonic's invulnerability?
If yes, I'm voting Sonic since he's likely to use his hax before Goku, and if not, then it's a stomp
- 7,069
- 1,457
I've heard that you gotts be, like, thousands of times stronger or above simce some consider it just really good stonewall durability.
I've never heard it taken this far. It was in always within one shot range.
I've never heard it taken this far. It was in always within one shot range.
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,411
- 4,333
Bump
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,411
- 4,333
That's an outlier, since there's no way that base chaacters are comparable to their Super states.00potato said:
Hell, later in the same game, Super Sonic battles Knuckles and he completely stomps him.
- 8,845
- 5,370
No, Knuckles did not do that with AP, he used Master Emerald hax, Goku can't replicate that feat
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,411
- 4,333
Even if it was it would be an outlier. This event was discussed back in the 5-A Modern cast upgrade and was agreed to ge an outlier.
The Master Emerald also has influence over the entirety of Angel Island, so it could be possible that Knuckles used its power to negate the effects of the chaos emeralds (which the Master Emerald can do, and Knuckles can use this).
Goku on the other hand, doesn't have the hax to do it (unless he have power null in any form of his?), and even if he had he would just either attack physically or use ki blasts
The Master Emerald also has influence over the entirety of Angel Island, so it could be possible that Knuckles used its power to negate the effects of the chaos emeralds (which the Master Emerald can do, and Knuckles can use this).
Goku on the other hand, doesn't have the hax to do it (unless he have power null in any form of his?), and even if he had he would just either attack physically or use ki blasts
- 918
- 336
Well... i am going to drop my 2 cents on this matter. While we never see the Master Emerald in the cutscene where Knuckles knocks Sonic out of his Super form, Knuckles is linked in some ways with the Master Emerald. In games following S3&K we see that Knuckles can use the Master Emerald to manipulate the Chaos Emeralds (Sonic Adventure 2 for example). It seems to me that the likely explanation is that Knuckles took advantage of the Master Emerald's Chaos Emerald disrupting power to yank the Chaos Emeralds out of Super Sonic, and thus neutralize his Super form
Gilad_Hyperstar
He/Him- 11,411
- 4,333
It doesn't matter because it's either an outlier for Knux or him using the master emerald to manipulate the chaos emeralds00potato said:
ShakeResounding
He/Him- 8,789
- 7,722
A Super Form being knocked out of a character is a one-and-done deal that is done by a base character. Should it have been replicated I'd agree with you, but happening once in the classic era without explanation and then never again is just a big ol' contradiction.
Especially when there are opponents far stronger than Knuckles that should've been able to replicate it yet were unable to. Hell, it's never even stated as a weakness in all those guides or whatever across all those games.
Especially when there are opponents far stronger than Knuckles that should've been able to replicate it yet were unable to. Hell, it's never even stated as a weakness in all those guides or whatever across all those games.
ShakeResounding
He/Him- 8,789
- 7,722
No it can't, because it's never referenced that it's possible whatsoever after it happens that one time in the Classic Era all those years ago. It's never referenced either, as Sonic Team probably knew how ludicrous it was.
Make a CRT for the weakness, because if it's not on the profile you can't just say it'll work. But I can tell you now that almost nobody will support it being implemented due to it generally being seen as PIS.
Make a CRT for the weakness, because if it's not on the profile you can't just say it'll work. But I can tell you now that almost nobody will support it being implemented due to it generally being seen as PIS.
- 8,845
- 5,370
Knuckles is the only character who was able to knock Sonic out of his super form in one cutscene, is not something that has been replicated before, and thus Goku won't be able to do so, assuming that Knuckles did it because of the Master Emerald is a valid explanation for this PIS moment
ShakeResounding
He/Him- 8,789
- 7,722
Even without the Master Emerald business, it'd still be considered hard PIS
- 102
- 59
Actions taking place during a blatant outlier aren't considered to be a legitimate feat especially when we never see it preformed again.We never see anyone else physically knock the Emeralds out of Sonic again.Going by said logic the Phantom King,Solaris and Perfect Dark Gaia should have been able to knock the Emeralds out of Super Sonic because they're massively stronger than Knuckles.
- 8,845
- 5,370
The Master Emerald can neutralize the power of the emeralds, so it could turn someone out of a super form, notheless even with both interpretation Goku wouldn't be able to make Sonic turn to normalShakeResounding said:
- 8
- 0
No offense but using the Knuckles punching Sonic out of Super Sonic is such a stupid argument considering the fact that later in the game Sonic defeats him, and if you do decide to become Super Sonic during the boss fight then Knuckles cannot harm Sonic AT ALL. In fact everytime he attacks Sonic he's literally just trying to kill himself.
Also its an outlier so you shouldn't even be using it anyways. Not to mention PIS. If Knuckles took all the Chaos Emeralds then why the hell are they all in the special stages all of a sudden? lol.
Also its an outlier so you shouldn't even be using it anyways. Not to mention PIS. If Knuckles took all the Chaos Emeralds then why the hell are they all in the special stages all of a sudden? lol.
- 8
- 0
Even if he was caught off guard. Knuckles should've been hurt instead of successfully attacking Sonic. In the boss fight everytime he attacks Super Sonic (if you choose to transform) the only person he's hurting is himself and cannot beat the Chaos Emeralds out of him. So why is it that he could do so beforehand? The answers simple: Plot Inducted Stupidity
ShakeResounding
He/Him- 8,789
- 7,722
The fact that it is an ''outlier'' means that you can't use it as a ''valid argument''. Because it never once happens again or is mentioned.
- 102
- 59
>He wasn't caught off guard all Knux did was ram into him.Your cognitive perception doesn't determine whether or not you exit or stay in your Super form.That's pure headcanon.It's sheerly an outlier not a weakness,make a CRT to add it as a weakness if you want to use that as a legitimate point.
>Literally everyone I mentioned was stronger than Classic Super Sonic.
>Literally everyone I mentioned was stronger than Classic Super Sonic.
- Status
Similar threads
