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Jin Yong wuxia novel discussion thread (0.1)

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Feel free to discuss anything related to Jin Yong novels (as written by Jin Yong)

Current project:

As the pages are not here yet, we would like to lay out the novels, their respective characters and their respective powers, abilities, feats and tierings.

His 15 novel works are as follows: (I will also include some links relevant to tiering and power scaling)

  1. w:c:wuxia:Book and Sword: Gratitude and Revenge (The Romance of the Book and Sword)- T]: µø©Õèìµü®õ╗çÚîä S: õ╣ªÕëæµü®õ╗çÕ¢ò (first published on The New Evening Post in 1955)
  2. w:c:wuxia:Sword Stained with Royal Blood - T: þóºÞíÇÕèì S: þóºÞíÇÕëæ (first published on Hong Kong Commercial Daily in 1956)
  3. w:c:wuxia:The Legend of the Condor Heroes (The Condor-Shooting Heroes) - T: Õ░äÚÁ░Þï▒ÚøäÕé│ S: Õ░äÚøòÞï▒Úøäõ╝á (first published on Hong Kong Commercial Daily in 1957)
  4. w:c:wuxia:Flying Fox of Snowy Mountai - T: Úø¬Õ▒▒ÚúøþïÉ S: Úø¬Õ▒▒Úú×þïÉ (first installment appeared on the first issue of Ming Pao in 1959)
  5. w:c:wuxia:The Return of the Condor Heroes (The Condor & The Lovers) - T: þÑ×ÚÁ░õ┐áõ¥Â S: þÑ×Úøòõ¥áõ¥ú (1959)
  6. w:c:wuxia:Other Tales of the Flying Fox - T: ÚúøþïÉÕñûÕé│ S: Úú×þïÉÕñûõ╝á (1960)
  7. w:c:wuxia:Swordswoman Riding West on White Horse T: þÖ¢Úª¼Õÿ»ÞÑ┐Úó¿ S: þÖ¢Ú®¼Õò©ÞÑ┐ÚúÄ (first published on Ming Pao in 1961)
  8. w:c:wuxia:Blade-dance of the Two Lovers (Lovers' Sabers) T: Ú┤øÚ┤ªÕêÇ S: Ú©│Ú©»ÕêÇ (first published on Ming Pao in 1961)
  9. w:c:wuxia:The Heavenly Sword and the Dragon Saber - T: ÕÇÜÕñ®Õ▒áÚ¥ìÞ¿ÿ S: ÕÇÜÕñ®Õ▒áÚ¥ÖÞ«░ (first published on Ming Pao in 1961)
    1. User blog:Jasonsith/Kam Yung Martial Vigilante (Jin Yong Wuxia) Assorted Feats pack 1
  10. w:c:wuxia:Requiem of Ling Sing (A Deadly Secret) - T: ÚÇúÕƒÄÞ¿ú S: Þ┐×ÕƒÄÞ»Ç (first published on Southeast Asia Weekly 《µØ▒Õìùõ║×Õæ¿Õêè》in 1963)
  11. w:c:wuxia:Demi-Gods and Semi-Devils (Eightfold Path of the Heavenly Drago) - T: Õñ®Ú¥ìÕà½Úâ¿ S: Õñ®Ú¥ÖÕà½Úâ¿ (1963)
  12. w:c:wuxia:Ode to Gallantry - T: õ┐áÕ«óÞíî S: õ¥áÕ«óÞíî(1965)
    1. User blog:Jasonsith/Kam Yung Martial Vigilante (Jin Yong Wuxia) Assorted Feats pack 1
  13. w:c:wuxia:The Smiling, Proud Wanderer - þ¼æÕé▓µ▒ƒµ╣û (first published on Ming Pao in 1967)
  14. w:c:wuxia:The Deer and the Cauldro (Duke of Mount Deer) - T: Ú╣┐Ú╝ÄÞ¿ÿ S: Ú╣┐Ú╝ÄÞ«░ (1969-1972)
  15. Sword of the Yue Maide - T: ÞÂèÕÑ│Õèì S: ÞÂèÕÑ│Õëæ (1970)
    1. User blog:Jasonsith/Kam Yung Martial Vigilante (Jin Yong Wuxia) Assorted Feats pack 1
 
Notice:

A-Qing may be downgraded to 9-C. For now I will edit her to "at least 9-C, possibly 9-B" for minimal disturbance.
 
Well she was said to be able to "disarm 1,000 soldiers plus 1,000 swordsmen 'at once'". But like some people question, she could have done so one by one.

At least A-Qing scales above a white gibbon. Which is Street level. And afaik a white gibbon weighs 12 kg maximum and can travel at 15.27777778 m/s so it is not Wall level since a white gibbon is nowhere comparable to a gorilla.


Damn. Some people keep saying A-Qing was "the strongest Jin Yong female character" when Zhou Zhi-ruo could be actually far deadlier.

Now, I just wonder how well the rest of the scaling trees will go.
 
Both Guo Jing and A Qing has to be downgraded due to the thread concluding that multipliers based on fighting multiple people or destroying multiple stuff is not allowed.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Both Guo Jing and A Qing has to be downgraded due to the thread concluding that multipliers based on fighting multiple people or destroying multiple stuff is not allowed.
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Which is the said thread?

Anyway people can stop saying A-Qing is the strongest Jing Yong female fighter.

(Wondering if Zhou Zhi-Ruo is now the strongest Jing Yong female for a shitton of dura neg hax, arguably 1-to-6-meter supersonic attack with a whip, is actually perceived as far stronger and faster than a subsonic and Small Building level ... but I know lots of Jin Yong and Gu Long characters busted granite furnitures during a fight - at least what shown in TV show versions.)

Shi Po-Tian is still the strongest Jin Yong male character right?
 
Zhang Wu-ji is in the same ballpark of Zhou Zhi-ruo, both above the Four Guardian Kings, including Wei Yi-xiao who is subsonic for "fast like a Mexican Free-Tailed Bat" and Small Building level for freezing a human to ice with his sheer cold palm attack.
 
Can anyone be scaled to him Breaking the Cemente walls using the Heaven and Earth Shift when he was trapped in the Bright peak? Also, iirc the martial artists can react to Arrows and Wuji blitzed Emei Shifu and others to the point of freezing them in air. What speed is that?
 
Guo-Jing is comparable to Yang Guo whose Palm Air Pressure could rival that of Deadly Sea Waves(somewhat like Tsunami). Yang Guo at 20 years old was capable of holding his own against Heavy Torrents while wielding a really dense 81 KG sword. Btw, one casual swing from Yang Guo's sleeve was capable of bending an iron sword into U-shape. Yang Guo's casual fllick of his wrist was also sufficent to break an iron weapon when he was competing strength with one of the Shi brothers. One light strike from Yang Guo's palm was capable of smashing a HUGE stone into powder. Also, Yang Guo's casual palm wind easily overpowered 3 criminals' combined palm strike that could smash a larger than human sized Buddha statue into smithereens which is a Wall level feat. If his Palm wind is a already Wall Level, common sense would indicate that his casual strkes are at least Building level.

9A tier is too low for these characters as they seem to be Building Block level in the least.
 
Also, XIao Long Nv - Yang Guo's lover was able to strike 20 targets so fast that the sound of collision was all combined into one sound, which implies Supersonic combat speed, as she was capable of hitting her 20th target before the sound of collision from her first stike was even over.
 
One thing that makes JinYong characters special as well is also their Qi/Internal Energy. Yang Guo's Qi-charged roar was capable of KOing hundreds of beasts which includes tigers, lions and even Elephants in one shot, something almost comparable to One Piece's Conqueror's Haki.

That was Yang Guo holding back.

In ÕÇÜÕñ®Õ▒áÚ¥ÖÞ«░ (Heavenly Sword and Dragon Slaying Blade), one of the Four Heavenly Kings - Úçæµ»øþï«þÄï(Golden Fur Lion King)- Þ░óÚÇè(Xie Xun) was capable of KILLING hundreds of martial artists with a single Qi-charged roar as well, anyone who was lucky to survive that roar, were left permanently crippled mentally.

Take note that Xie Xun's Qi is wayy lower compared to Yang Guo's.

Yang Guo, Guo Jing and Zhang Wu Ji has the same level of Qi/internal energy.

These Qi-charged roars can only be withstood by somebody who has similar or an even higher level of Qi in their body.

Meaning, if their opponents do not have Qi, they will easily KO their opponents (looking at MCU Captain America).
 
The strongest Jin Yong Character right now is up to debate, but, in my humble opinion, the following characters are good candidates for the title:

1) µë½Õ£░ÕâºShaolin Sweeping Monk- someone who was capable of creating Qi barriers capable of blocking Guo Jing tier martial artists. He was also able to one-shot Guo Jing level characters while withstanding a full-powered Guo Jing level strike.

Guo Jing = Yang Guo = Zhang Wuji = Xiao Feng

2) Ú╗äÞú│ Huang Shang- creator of the õ╣ØÚÿ┤þ£ƒþ╗Å ( Nine yin Sacred Manuals), the nine yin sacred manual was soo sort after that the Five Greats ´╝êõ║öþ╗Ø）, fought 7 days and nights on top of the Huashan mountain to to gain ownership of the manual. The Five Greats were each Guo Jing tier btw.

3) Þ¥¥µæ®(Damo)- creator of Õ╝áµùáÕ┐î (Zhang Wuji)'s õ╣ØÚÿ│þ£ƒþ╗Å(Nine Yang Sacred Manuals) that gave Zhang Wuji near invulnerability.

4) ÕëæÚ¡öþï¼Õ¡ñµ▒éÞ┤Ñ (Sword Devil Dugu Qiubai)- A legendary sword-style character that achieved true invincibility after the age of 40, to the point where he was soo lonely that he travelled around the world seeking a single defeat- but alas - none could fulfill his wish. His mastery of the sword style was soo great to the point where he abandoned his sword completely- reaching the ultimate pinnacle of Sword Style of µùáÕëæÞ⣵£ëÕëæ´╝îµùáµïøÞ⣵£ëµïø , meaning his unarmed sword style was superior to his sword-wielding sword style, and his techniques were soo natural that it counters any martial arts natutrally (something like Ultra Instinct). Yang Guo's feats would pale in comparison to his.
 
I repectfully disagree that Õæ¿ÞèÀÞïÑ Zhou Zhi Ruo is the stongest female character btw, not even close, at all. She is not in the same ball park as Zhang Wuji because Zhang Wuji was holding back A LOT in their fight to not injure her. Heck, she only learnt the basics of the Nine Yin Sacred Manual, that's all, which cannot be compared to Huang Rong's complete learning of the Nine Yin Sacred Manual.

I would even argue that she is at most as strong as µóàÞÂàÚúÄ Mei Chao Feng or µØÄÞĽµäüLi Mo Cou.

I am not sure about Ah Qing, but õ╣ØÚÜ¥(Jiu Nan) and µ×ùµ£ØÞï▒(Lin Chao Ying) strike me as among the most prominent female characters.
 
What on Earth did Guo Jing do to be lowballed to 9-A tier lmao, he should at least be within the 8th Tier.
 
Ebitan34 said:
Guo-Jing is comparable to Yang Guo whose Palm Air Pressure could rival that of Deadly Sea Waves(somewhat like Tsunami). Yang Guo at 20 years old was capable of holding his own against Heavy Torrents while wielding a really dense 81 KG sword. Btw, one casual swing from Yang Guo's sleeve was capable of bending an iron sword into U-shape. Yang Guo's casual fllick of his wrist was also sufficent to break an iron weapon when he was competing strength with one of the Shi brothers. One light strike from Yang Guo's palm was capable of smashing a HUGE stone into powder. Also, Yang Guo's casual palm wind easily overpowered 3 criminals' combined palm strike that could smash a larger than human sized Buddha statue into smithereens which is a Wall level feat. If his Palm wind is a already Wall Level, common sense would indicate that his casual strkes are at least Building level.

9A tier is too low for these characters as they seem to be Building Block level in the least.
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Hmmmn the last one seems the most impressive (the first two are probably 9-B only).

Also I don't think we can just arbitrarily say he's 8-C based on him doing 9-B stuff casually, although I'm confident those feats you mentioned would be higher than 9-B.

Can you send the relevant text?
 
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Translation:

Only a gust of wind passed, followed by a bang, and the earth was flying, and all four felt that the situation was wrong, and it did not seem to be hitting the flesh and blood. The bald old man already understood it, but he saw Ke Zhenxie. Without knowing where to go, where he used to stand, he was replaced with the statue of Wang Yanzhang, the iron gun in the temple. The head of the idol was hit by these powerful four palms at the same time, and immediately turned into mud dust.


Yang Guo swayed slightly, stopped at the door, and shouted, "No one can depart alive without saying anything." The four people shouted in unison, each giving a palm and pushing forward together. Yang Guo shouted, "Come well!" The left hand was also launched with one palm. This powerful and incoherent palm wind came to the side. The four people stood on their feet and fell backwards with a crash,pressed on the idol and crushed the idol into more than ten pieces. The second of the four martial arts is the weakest, but his forehead sarcoma just hits the chest of the idol, immediately fainting.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Ebitan34 said:
Guo-Jing is comparable to Yang Guo whose Palm Air Pressure could rival that of Deadly Sea Waves(somewhat like Tsunami). Yang Guo at 20 years old was capable of holding his own against Heavy Torrents while wielding a really dense 81 KG sword. Btw, one casual swing from Yang Guo's sleeve was capable of bending an iron sword into U-shape. Yang Guo's casual fllick of his wrist was also sufficent to break an iron weapon when he was competing strength with one of the Shi brothers. One light strike from Yang Guo's palm was capable of smashing a HUGE stone into powder. Also, Yang Guo's casual palm wind easily overpowered 3 criminals' combined palm strike that could smash a larger than human sized Buddha statue into smithereens which is a Wall level feat. If his Palm wind is a already Wall Level, common sense would indicate that his casual strkes are at least Building level.

9A tier is too low for these characters as they seem to be Building Block level in the least.
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Hmmmn the last one seems the most impressive (the first two are probably 9-B only).

Also I don't think we can just arbitrarily say he's 8-C based on him doing 9-B stuff casually, although I'm confident those feats you mentioned would be higher than 9-B.

Can you send the relevant text?
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The iron sword bending feat was from the sleeve of his severed arm, 16 yeras ago prior to Yang Guo training at the sea.
 
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Using a wooden sword, the wind generated from his strikes could rival Gigantic Waves.
 
HIs 9A to 9B feats were done from his sleeve or Palm Winds, not the actual direct strike from his blows, mind you.
 
I can read Chinese lol, I'm from Hong Kong.

Anyway the gigantic wave thing is too vague to be quantified, but the statue is definitely impressive.

Yang Guo's initial attack pulverized the head. Assuming the statue is human-sized. A quick Google Search says volume of the head is 3000 cm^3.

Compressive strength of compacted clay can be up to 4 MPa.

3000*4 = 12 000, Street level+

For the rest of the body. Average human volume is 62 000 cm^3, minus the head that's 59 000 cm^3. Hard clay can be up to 1.92 MPa.

59000*1.92 = 113 280 Joules, Wall level

So at least they should be 9-B. This is just their palm winds though?
 
I need more context for the iron sword bending feat. Although these are all extremely casual, so is there a way to scale their full strength from these?
 
Ebitan34 said:
HIs 9A to 9B feats were done from his sleeve or Palm Winds, not the actual direct strike from his blows, mind you.
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Would it be safe to assume that a weaker Guo Jing with the 18 Dragon Subduing Palms would be at least 9-B as he should be highly likely stronger than Yang Guo's mere sleeve? Also I remember he could knock down trees before even meeting Zhou Botong, so there's that.
 
Ohh you can read Chinese!?? Ok AWESOME! I don't have to translate then XD Sorry for assuming you didn't.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I can read Chinese lol, I'm from Hong Kong.
Anyway the gigantic wave thing is too vague to be quantified, but the statue is definitely impressive.

Yang Guo's initial attack pulverized the head. Assuming the statue is human-sized. A quick Google Search says volume of the head is 3000 cm^3.

Compressive strength of compacted clay can be up to 4 MPa.

3000*4 = 12 000, Street level+

For the rest of the body. Average human volume is 62 000 cm^3, minus the head that's 59 000 cm^3. Hard clay can be up to 1.92 MPa.

59000*1.92 = 113 280 Joules, Wall level

So at least they should be 9-B. This is just their palm winds though?
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Yes it was his Palm Wind that did the feat, not the actual Palm strike itself.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Ebitan34 said:
HIs 9A to 9B feats were done from his sleeve or Palm Winds, not the actual direct strike from his blows, mind you.
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Would it be safe to assume that a weaker Guo Jing with the 18 Dragon Subduing Palms would be at least 9-B as he should be highly likely stronger than Yang Guo's mere sleeve? Also I remember he could knock down trees before even meeting Zhou Botong, so there's that.
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Guo Jing is as powerful as Yang Guo, so his feats can be scaled directly from Yang Guos'.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
Ebitan34 said:
HIs 9A to 9B feats were done from his sleeve or Palm Winds, not the actual direct strike from his blows, mind you.
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Would it be safe to assume that a weaker Guo Jing with the 18 Dragon Subduing Palms would be at least 9-B as he should be highly likely stronger than Yang Guo's mere sleeve? Also I remember he could knock down trees before even meeting Zhou Botong, so there's that.
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Yes he could, and each was a one-strike deal. This version of him would be fodderized by himself in þÑ×Úøòõ¥áõ¥ú or even by the end of Õ░äÚøòÞï▒Úøäõ╝á.
 
I'll upgrade him to 9-B for now then.

I need to think off how to scale the palm winds to the actual force of the strike, probably need to calculate drag force or something like that.
 
Spinosaurus75DinosaurFan said:
I need more context for the iron sword bending feat. Although these are all extremely casual, so is there a way to scale their full strength from these?
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