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Ouma Kurogane vs Kessler
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Well first things first fighting Ouma physically is impossible due to his durability and wind armor.
However, the lack of mind resistance on his profile has me worried since Kessler doesn't have a problem eventually using his mindhax clones.
Kessler is much more versatile in ranged attacks as well.
Waiting for arguments
However, the lack of mind resistance on his profile has me worried since Kessler doesn't have a problem eventually using his mindhax clones.
Kessler is much more versatile in ranged attacks as well.
Waiting for arguments
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I guess Ill lay some counters here
First off, Ouma main counter to range is ptojectiles, which Kessler can dodge fine, he's well acquainted with characters who play the range game.
Ouma's biggest trump is Kusanagi and draining oxygen, however Kessler can still fight for a minute despite this and can use his mindhax clones to quickly defeat him if necessary.
First off, Ouma main counter to range is ptojectiles, which Kessler can dodge fine, he's well acquainted with characters who play the range game.
Ouma's biggest trump is Kusanagi and draining oxygen, however Kessler can still fight for a minute despite this and can use his mindhax clones to quickly defeat him if necessary.
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This is what I get for asking for a Kessler match...
Anyway, gonna wait for Earl before making arguments. Although, it looks like Ouma's lifting strength overpowers Kessler's telekinesis, so there goes one of his biggest trump cards.
Should Kusanagi be restricted?
Anyway, gonna wait for Earl before making arguments. Although, it looks like Ouma's lifting strength overpowers Kessler's telekinesis, so there goes one of his biggest trump cards.
Should Kusanagi be restricted?
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From what I know, TK isn't directly countered by TK
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Well Ouma's LS is class M, but it looks likes it's physical strength rather than TK, so who knows.
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Im not sure here.
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Good you're here
So outside of wind armor, Oxygen Drain and Kusanagi, what else is dangerous for him, and what's his AP
So outside of wind armor, Oxygen Drain and Kusanagi, what else is dangerous for him, and what's his AP
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I mean how can Kessler even end the fight?
Ouma's a massive stonewall.
Ouma's a massive stonewall.
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Mind manipulation through clones
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How does it work and how in character is it?
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Basically he makes a bunch of clones that will mindhax you and mindbreak you if you make physical contact with them
Kessler doesn't lead with them per say, but he uses them when necessary
That said, if lifting strength doesn't alone counter TK, Kessler can just toss him into one.
Kessler doesn't lead with them per say, but he uses them when necessary
That said, if lifting strength doesn't alone counter TK, Kessler can just toss him into one.
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>Physical contact
Ok but wind barrier though.
Ok but wind barrier though.
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Doesn't matter, as long as his body is within it that's enough
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If they require physical contact they won't get through his wind armor or wind barriers. Ouma is also a master swordsman so what stops him from chopping up?
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Chopping up Kessler? The fact that Kessler is far more experienced and he abuses range (Also Ouma is at most 2x stronger assuming he's at the peak of 7B)
The clones? Like I said being within them is enough
The clones? Like I said being within them is enough
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Ouma is still very skilled and has been compared to Ikki at some points at least in volume 4. So what abilities would prevent Ouma from getting close?
Being within them? You mean if they surround him? Then I guess that's a wincon if Ouma just lets them surround him.
Being within them? You mean if they surround him? Then I guess that's a wincon if Ouma just lets them surround him.
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Comparable to Ikki? Excuse me what?
No, being within the phantasms, since they're pseudo intangible (As in you can physically pass through them but they're still hurt)
No, being within the phantasms, since they're pseudo intangible (As in you can physically pass through them but they're still hurt)
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What? No lol. He's not comparable to ikki, like at all.
What are the clones made of?
What are the clones made of?
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He's been compared to Ikki yes. Ikki compares Ouma to himself in skill. At least in the earlier volumes.
So they run at you and phase through into you to mindhax?
So they run at you and phase through into you to mindhax?
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It's weird, they're made of pure energy of some kind but they can still be physically hit, Monkey can explain it better then I can.Firephoenixearl said:
@Emperor They don't necessarily run, they just kinda walk towards you, Ouma does have ranged attacks so he can destroy them safely that way, but if he tries to slice one or get yeeted into one he gets mindhaxed that way as well.
Kessler has mindhax that forces memories into you but that requires physically touching with his hand so that's kinda useless.
Anyway, I got a movie to see, you to can decide whether he's comparable in skill to Ikki or not
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Actually nevermind about Ikki comparing himself to Ouma. Can't find the statement so I probably remembered wrong.
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Shouldn't they you know...disperse as soon as they get close to the wind barrier?
I mean push comes to shove, Ouma gets mind haxed and Kessler dies of Oxygen few moments later.
I mean push comes to shove, Ouma gets mind haxed and Kessler dies of Oxygen few moments later.
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That would be Incon at best assuming the wind barrier would dissipate
Problem is Ouma doesn't have the AP to dissapate it that easily
I also question if oxygen drain remains after he can't even think for himself, but knowing Rakudai the only way it was ever beaten was through some breathing skill
Problem is Ouma doesn't have the AP to dissapate it that easily
I also question if oxygen drain remains after he can't even think for himself, but knowing Rakudai the only way it was ever beaten was through some breathing skill
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Doesn't have the AP to dissipate them? You need AP to dissipate non corporel things?
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No, but you do need AP to literally one shot them with a touch
This is fiction, even energy and souls have Durability
This is fiction, even energy and souls have Durability
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So then can't he just Kusanagi them all?
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You can't disperse the clones with physical attacks, as touching them leads to mind hax. But long range energy attacks, such as lightning bolts, make them disappear. Problem is, the closer they get to you, the more messed up your vision gets since they cause your vision to "white out" and make everything hard to see.
Wind barrier probably won't work since even when Cole coats his fist with lightning to punch them they still deliver a mental assault via physical contact.
Honestly even I'm not sure what the clones are made of. I wanna say electricity since they cause lightning to arc when close to power sources, but that's about all I got.
Wind barrier probably won't work since even when Cole coats his fist with lightning to punch them they still deliver a mental assault via physical contact.
Honestly even I'm not sure what the clones are made of. I wanna say electricity since they cause lightning to arc when close to power sources, but that's about all I got.
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Probably electricity seeing hiw that's Kessler's main thing.
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I mean he can since that's a ranged attack and it's High 7A, but Kessler can make more, and using Kusanagi multiple times weakened Ouma.Firephoenixearl said:
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Kusanagi is a 50m long dragon of wind.
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I know but that still drastically weakens him
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Didn't you say it's not even in character?Schnee One said:
Also wouldn't 1 Kusanagi kill Kessler as well?
And after the 3rd Kusanagi the power of Kusanagi drops, not Ouma.
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Is it an AoE blast type deal or does the wind only move according to the dragons body?
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I said the complete opposite of "not in character"Schnee One said:
Kessler can dodge it anyway
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Oh, my bad.Schnee One said:
Well...can he though? This is an almost nuke type of ability. The range is huge.
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The latter.PTSOXMONKEY99 said:
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How quickly does he use it in-character? Kessler is usually pretty quick to use his clones in battle, not opening move, but usually pretty quick.
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He usually uses it eventually
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That's incredibly vague Schnee.
