There's something that has been bothering me for awhile

KGiffoni · Nov 27, 2019

About speed equalization in vs matches. Let's put it like this: one character is Relativistic and the other is, let's say, Superhuman.

The thing is, about speed equalization. I think it should be specified to what speed we are equalizing the characters to. About the previous instance, let's say the Relativistic character gets super amped after going very close to the sun, and can fly. It's a wincon for him to get this amp if he's able to fly to the Sun in a certain speed that allows him to do so shortly. However, if it took days for him to get to the Sun, he wouldn't do that, possibly removing one of his wincons.

That's just a example, but similar stuff happens in many VS Battles and it always bugged me.

KGiffoni · Nov 27, 2019

Dusty_Raider · Nov 27, 2019

Agreed

The_King_of_Prudence · Nov 28, 2019

Yes. That, or just get rid of this problematic gimmick altogether.

KGiffoni · Nov 28, 2019

The God Of Procrastination said:
Yes. That, or just get rid of this problematic gimmick altogether.

Second option would make Vs Matches almost impossible. It's hard to find characters that don't blitz each other and don't AP stomp each other simultaneously.

The_King_of_Prudence · Nov 29, 2019

Hax makes that easier. Also, tank versus fast person is criminally underdone.

KGiffoni · Nov 29, 2019

The God Of Procrastination said:
Hax makes that easier. Also, tank versus fast person is criminally underdone.

True.

SuperAPM · Nov 29, 2019

Personally I think we should just get rid of Speed Equalization and replace it with Stat Equalization instead. At that point its simply a contest of abilities.

Ionliosite · Nov 29, 2019

I fully disagree with this nonsense.

SuperAPM · Nov 29, 2019

Ok, little rude don't you think?

KGiffoni · Nov 29, 2019

Ionliosite said:
I fully disagree with this nonsense.

Elaborate.

KGiffoni · Nov 29, 2019

SuperAPM said:
Personally I think we should just get rid of Speed Equalization and replace it with Stat Equalization instead. At that point its simply a contest of abilities.

Well, i personally agree with this.

The_King_of_Prudence · Nov 29, 2019

SuperAPM said:
Personally I think we should just get rid of Speed Equalization and replace it with Stat Equalization instead. At that point it's simply a contest of abilities.

That's just Speed Equalization but worse.

KGiffoni · Nov 30, 2019

Buttersamuri · Nov 30, 2019

Actually yes. I've seen this issue in a lot of fights. Is always bugged me. I think specifying which level of speed it is equalized to would be a good idea.

Ionliosite · Nov 30, 2019

Is not necesary to specify, all speeds are equalized no matter what.

KGiffoni · Nov 30, 2019

No, it's not about different types of speed. That's not what i'm talking about.

Promestein · Nov 30, 2019

Complete stat equalization isn't happening. I always thought some sort of relative speed equalization, which puts the two characters at similar speeds, with the faster still being a bit faster, would be a good idea.

We're not removing Speed Equalization though. Ruins most matches.

KGiffoni · Nov 30, 2019

I'm not asking for removal of speed equalization, neither am i asking for stat equalization. I just tought this issue needs to be adressed.

Buttersamuri · Nov 30, 2019

I would be down for Relative speed equal. I think it could be like

If they are only a bit faster (say 1.1 to 1.4 times faster) it should be left alone.

And then from .1.5 to above times faster. It could be rounded down to 1.5 to 2 times faster as a base for Relatively equal.

Monkey_Dunno · Nov 30, 2019

I kinda think that an scenario like that is rather specific. However, I can see the overall point.

I'm more concern about, however, Speed Equalized matches that involve the slower character winning through speed enhancements that aren't above the speed of the faster character. Like, a slower character defeating a faster one due being faster it's rather ridiculous.

KGiffoni · Dec 1, 2019

Antvasima · Dec 1, 2019

I don't really have an opinion about this beyond what Promestein stated.

KGiffoni · Dec 1, 2019

Alright, thanks for your input

Antvasima · Dec 1, 2019

No problem.

Sir_Ovens · Dec 1, 2019

I thought the general consensus was that all speeds would be equalized to the faster character's speed.

GojiBoyForever · Dec 1, 2019

I disagree with this for Promestein's reason.

The_King_of_Prudence · Dec 1, 2019

Monkey Dunno said:
I kinda think that an scenario like that is rather specific. However, I can see the overall point.

I'm more concern about, however, Speed Equalized matches that involve the slower character winning through speed enhancements that aren't above the speed of the faster character. Like, a slower character defeating a faster one due being faster it's rather ridiculous.

We have something for your point, though it may need to be stricter.

KGiffoni · Dec 1, 2019

Sir Ovens said:
I thought the general consensus was that all speeds would be equalized to the faster character's speed.

Is that written anywhere?

Oblivion_Of_The_Endless · Dec 1, 2019

Im pretty sure the speed would be equalized to the slower character

BigSmoke4269 · Dec 1, 2019

If a character has equipment that must be launched, and speed is equalized, is said equipment affected by the equalization?

KGiffoni · Dec 1, 2019

BigSmoke4269 said:
If a character has equipment that must be launched, and speed is equalized, is said equipment affected by the equalization?

I think so.

Monkey_Dunno · Dec 1, 2019

The God Of Procrastination said:
We have something for your point, though it may need to be stricter.

Really? I have rarely seen nothing of it.

KGiffoni · Dec 12, 2019

GojiBoyForever said:
I disagree with this for Promestein's reason.

He's not really disagreeing with the OP, only saying Stat Equalizaiton or removal of Speed Equalization ain't happening.

The_King_of_Prudence · Dec 12, 2019

Really? I have rarely seen nothing of it.

During a match where speed is equalized, speed amplification techniques are allowed, unless they lead to a victory via Speed Blitz in favor of the slower character.

KGiffoni · Dec 15, 2019

The_King_of_Prudence · Jan 18, 2020

Bump.

ProfessorKukui4Life · Jan 18, 2020

Sir Ovens said:
I thought the general consensus was that all speeds would be equalized to the faster character's speed.

This. I don't even agree with allowing speed amps in speed equal matches as it completely removes the point of having equalized speeds in the first place.

Greenshifter · Jan 18, 2020

We already have a rule in place that a speed amp can't be the only reason for a victory for a slower opponent. Also if someone speed amps and gets a disadvantage in another stat because of that and then they try to blitz but it doesn't work even tho it should work in their minds, you get a lot of weird stuff, so it's best to just allow amps but not let them be the sole reason for winning for the slower character (heck I'm fine if this is applied to the fastest character as well).

KGiffoni · Jan 18, 2020

Sir Ovens said:
I thought the general consensus was that all speeds would be equalized to the faster character's speed.

Where is this written exactly?

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