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Why is Geryuganshoop still Relativistic+?

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A long while ago Saitama was downgraded from 5-B to High 6-A on the premise that Murata's words are no longer considered word of god. Yet Geryugan is still rated Relativistic+ based on a Murata statement.

Was this an oversight?
 
It's because Murata sensei had based his drawing on that very particular basis, Even he mentions it. And what he draws in the manga is approved by ONE sensei that's why his word here is relevant cause he based his drawing on that very setting.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
It's because Murata sensei had based his drawing on that very particular basis, Even he mentions it. And what he draws in the manga is approved by ONE sensei that's why his word here is relevant cause he based his drawing on that very setting.
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This is an out of Manga statement he made in an interview.
 
No, he answered a question asked by a viewer on his livestream that can geryuganshoop really create a black hole. He said he didn't know and he would ask ONE sensei about it. Later he compares Tatsumaki and Geryuganshoop in which he states that he based his drawing on geryuganshoop's attack that eliminated friction between his rocks. That would make it sub light speed/Relativistic+. He later says that in saitama's eyes they were nothing.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
No, he answered a question asked by a viewer on his livestream that can geryuganshoop really create a black hole. He said he didn't know and he would ask ONE sensei about it. Later he compares Tatsumaki and Geryuganshoop in which he states that he based his drawing on geryuganshoop's attack that eliminated friction between his rocks. That would make it sub light speed/Relativistic+. He later says that in saitama's eyes they were nothing.
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So he devalued his own statement about the blackhole thing.

And again you're using out of manga statements, not once was the attack stated in the manga to be near lightspeed. Murata's words mean nothing here.
 
When did he devalued his own statement? He clarified that it wasn't a black hole. And it wasn't a black hole as of it didn't sucked earth in seconds. Even In the manga and in the webcomic Geryuganshoop never even uses the term black hole and in the anime, He simply asks saitama "Do you know what a black hole is You ape".

And I'm using his statement on which he based his Drawing on, It's the setting that geryuganshoop's attack is based. His attack eliminates friction. It's relativistic. He based his drawing on that very setting, His drawing is shown to be on that. And you don't have to understand what's only stated in the manga when the very setting of the panel itself is based on that.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
When did he devalued his own statement? He clarified that it wasn't a black hole. And it wasn't a black hole as of it didn't sucked earth in seconds. Even In the manga and in the webcomic Geryuganshoop never even uses the term black hole and in the anime, He simply asks saitama "Do you know what a black hole is You ape".
And I'm using his statement on which he based his Drawing on, It's the setting that geryuganshoop's attack is based. His attack eliminates friction. It's relativistic. He based his drawing on that very setting, His drawing is shown to be on that. And you don't have to understand what's only stated in the manga when the very setting of the panel itself is based on that.
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Murata devalued his own statement about the black hole. A viewer asked "Can he actually summon a blackhole" and he said to ask ONE.

And the drawings don't really convey that he's eliminating friction at all he's literally just throwing rocks around with his mind and made a whirlwind.
 
@AogiriKira

That's not devaluing his own statement, it's him saying he just doesn't know if Geryugan can create a black hole so he will ask ONE. It was also a seperate comment from him describing his intent behind the scene so it's not even relevant.
 
Dienomite22 said:
@AogiriKira
That's not devaluing his own statement, it's him saying he just doesn't know if Geryugan can create a black hole so he will ask ONE. It was also a seperate comment from him describing his intent behind the scene so it's not even relevant.
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I wasn't the one that originally brought it up.
 
Just pointing out that Murata didn't devalue his statement with the black hole comment and either way it's irrelevent. Discuss away about the trustworthiness of the relativistic stuff friends.
 
Well either way i'm not sold on Rela+ Geryugan.

The Murata statement about it being nearing lightspeed no longer holds weight here, and Saitama's 5-B rating was downgraded as a result of it. Even if you want to say "Well his intent behind the drawing was this or that" Death of the Author is also a thing. It isn't made clearly through any form of in-manga statement that his attacks were nearing Lightspeed. And even so the art doesn't even convey the aspects of near-light speed by "Eliminating friction". He's literally just making a whirlwind and tossing around rocks.
 
That's not devaluing, He simply said he didn't know that and he'd ask to ONE sensei for that. How can he answer something he doesn't have knowledge of. And do you know what friction is? He was shown to eliminate friction as of because of his gravitational pull on it he was able to manipulate it's gravitational force hence reducing the friction of it so it can move smoothly and fast that could blitz saitama and kill him. But obviously saitama was faster.

And the death of author is only applied when there's an actual contradiction in the first place, there's nothing that contradicts this very point whatsoever. And Saitama being downplayed to 6A was a lowball. He had overpowered Boros's attack that was going to destroy the earth. That technically would be a 5B feat.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
That's not devaluing, He simply said he didn't know that and he'd ask to ONE sensei for that. How can he answer something he doesn't have knowledge of. And do you know what friction is? He was shown to eliminate friction as of because of his gravitational pull on it he was able to manipulate it's gravitational force hence reducing the friction of it so it can move smoothly and fast that could blitz saitama and kill him. But obviously saitama was faster.
And the death of author is only applied when there's an actual contradiction in the first place, there's nothing that contradicts this very point whatsoever. And Saitama being downplayed to 6A was a lowball. He had overpowered Boros's attack that was going to destroy the earth. That technically would be a 5B feat.
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I'm reading the manga page right now and not a single thing is stated to be friction or gravity based, just that Geryugan is telekinetic. And even if it was a gravity based ability that would only give him gravity manipulation, it doesn't warrant a speed rating on it's own.

There's nothing contradicting it, but there's nothing to support it either. What can be assessed without evidence can be dismissed without evidence.

And the planet busting feat isn't relevant here, I'm referring to the fact the 5-B rating came from a murata statement which now no longer applies, so the same should should be said for the speed rating of Geryugan.
 
Dude. He can manipulate gravity, The same he did with rocks. He eliminated the friction between them with the help of his gravitational force. If he didn't had eliminated the friction between the rocks, than it would've been a simple rock throw like just how a normal human being throws.

I don't, I can't even. Do you know what friction is?
 
NoorTheNerd said:
Dude. He can manipulate gravity, The same he did with rocks. He eliminated the friction between them with the help of his gravitational force. If he didn't had eliminated the friction between the rocks, than it would've been a simple rock throw like just how a normal human being throws.
I don't, I can't even. Do you know what friction is?
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If you're so adamant on it being gravity, then show me a manga scan of them stating he's manipulating gravity.

Yes I know what friction is.
 
He doesn't says that in the manga but he is still telekenitic, https://i2.**********.com/onepunch-man/42/onepunch-man-4797111.jpg And people with telekenisis manipulate gravity that's why the can make objects crush, fly or pulled out using gravity in the first place. Telekenisis is gravity Manipulation. It's so simple.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
He doesn't says that in the manga but he is still telekenitic, https://i2.**********.com/onepunch-man/42/onepunch-man-4797111.jpgAnd people with telekenisis manipulate gravity that's why the can make objects crush, fly or pulled out using gravity in the first place. Telekenisis is gravity Manipulation. It's so simple.
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Okay so I guess Tatsumaki and Fubuki should get gravity manipulation added to their profiles, and by proxy since they gravity manipulate everything they can eliminate friction and thus their attack speed scales to Relativistic+? -_-
 
Everyone has levels of gravity Manipulation. Fubuki's not that much of a strong esper she can manipulate gravity as of she's telekenetic but she obviously can't pull up the things as strong as Tatsumaki did because she's not that strong. And very person with telekenisis can manipulate gravity. Because that's how telekenisis processes with the help of gravity and thought.
 
And yes a strong telekenetic can attack at those speeds like Geryuganshoop, Tatsumaki and Gyoro Gyoro.
 
Jesus Christ what even is going on here.

OFC he needs to be downgraded. And no, not every telekinetic is going to be Relativistic lmao.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Jesus Christ what even is going on here.
OFC he needs to be downgraded. And no, not every telekinetic is going to be Relativistic lmao.
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I don't even know anymore.
 
Matthew Schroeder said:
Jesus Christ what even is going on here.

OFC he needs to be downgraded. And no, not every telekinetic is going to be Relativistic lmao.
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He doesn't needs to be, No evidence at all that contradicts the point and obviously not every telekenetic can attack at relativistic speed, as I've said. Every telekenetic has his/her Levels of power.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
Matthew Schroeder said:
Jesus Christ what even is going on here.

OFC he needs to be downgraded. And no, not every telekinetic is going to be Relativistic lmao.
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He doesn't needs to be, No evidence at all that contradicts the point and obviously not every telekenetic can attack at relativistic speed, as I've said. Every telekenetic has his/her Levels of power.
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No evidence supports he is Rela+

Telekinesis =/= Gravity Manipulation. Telekinesis is reaching out and lifting things around using your mind. Gravity is manipulating gravitational pulls. We know it's not gravity as he clearly states he is Telekinetic and thats how he's moving around the rocks and suspending them mid air.

And even if we gave them all Gravity Manipulation, that power doesn't automatically make them faster because "They move so fast they negate friction." Nothing in the manga supports Friction Manipulation besides a Murata statement which no longer means anything here.
 
Again, for the last time.

Low level telekenetics who can pull or pass an object are Telekenetic. High To Mid level telekenetics who can actually pull of large masses, Push up Large masses against the forces of gravity. Mid to high level telekenetics are gravity manipulators as of they can manipulate it with the help of their powerful telekenisis such examples are Mob, Gyoro, Tatsumaki and Geryuganshoop. And if you actually know what friction is than you would know that if we reduce it between objects, it can move much faster. You keep saying that Murata sensei's statement hold Nothing even though he has based his very drawing on that. There's still no evidence you have brought up that cancels it out.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
Again, for the last time.
Low level telekenetics who can pull or pass an object are Telekenetic. High To Mid level telekenetics who can actually pull of large masses, Push up Large masses against the forces of gravity. Mid to high level telekenetics are gravity manipulators as of they can manipulate it with the help of their powerful telekenisis such examples are Mob, Gyoro, Tatsumaki and Geryuganshoop. And if you actually know what friction is than you would know that if we reduce it between objects, it can move much faster. You keep saying that Murata sensei's statement hold Nothing even though he has based his very drawing on that. There's still no evidence you have brought up that cancels it out.
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Again for the last time.

Nothing you've given even proves what you're trying to prove. Gravity Manipulation, Friction Manipulation, and Relativistic+ speed comes from an interview which is no longer valid.

Why are you bringing Mob into this, he isn't even a character from One Punch Man.

I know what friction is, but eliminating it and throwing a rock without friction through the air is not automatically Relativistic+ what are you even saying right now?

You're literally inserting headcanon at this point.
 
Yeah, You don't even know what you're talking about.

• Says that this was taken from Murata sensei in an interview.

• Says eliminating friction won't make the object go faster.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
Yeah, You don't even know what you're talking about.
• Says that this was taken from Murata sensei in an interview.

• Says eliminating friction won't make the object go faster.
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Mate you don't know what your talking about.

This is literally an interview statement nothing in the manga says jack shit about friction.

Eliminating friction may make an object faster but that doesn't = Rela+, that's just arbitrarily applying a speed rating.
 
This is was a live stream question. Murata sensei had based his drawing of that, it's no joke or nothing to be dismissed. It isn't stated but that is the clear intention of the panel. Going against it would be major fallacy. Specially when you don't have even a evident to provide that contradicts it.

It depends on how much friction you eliminate, Murata sensei in setting of the drawing stated that geryuganshoop's elimination of the friction would make it sub light speed.
 
Now geryuganshoop had eliminated friction so much of the rocks that they were propelled at sub light speed.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
This is was a live stream question. Murata sensei had based his drawing of that, it's no joke or nothing to be dismissed. It isn't stated but that is the clear intention of the panel. Going against it would be major fallacy. Specially when you don't have even a evident to provide that contradicts it.
It depends on how much friction you eliminate, Murata sensei in setting of the drawing stated that geryuganshoop's elimination of the friction would make it sub light speed.
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It is something to be dismissed. His statement is where the shit came from. And he declared his own statements to be his opinions and not word of god. You're saying I have no contradictions, but you don't have any proof so theres nothing I need to contradict. This is literally a case of Hitchen's Razor.
 
NoorTheNerd said:
And we know this because that was the intent was.
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His intent doesn't matter as we no longer consider his words viable.

And again, death of the author. He didn't make anything he intended clear in the manga, so it can be dismissed.
 
There's no evidence that supports that, and Murata sensei is not the author. His scene in which he settled his drawing at was approved by the one and only writer of the Series ONE sensei. Death of the author is something when it's used when something contradicts the authors word or something is shown to contradict author's words. There's nothing at all that contradicts Murata Sensei's very setting on his drawing.
 
His casual statements that are given are not word of God, But this is the very setting he based his drawing on.
 
1. Stop spamming one line responses.

2. There is something that actually contradicts. The fact Geryuganshoop refers to it as telekinesis and not gravity manipulation.

3. Again, Murata's statements are moot. Casual or not.

4. Death of the Author still applies as he did not express his intent clearly, and it's even contradicted by Geryuganshoop saying he's using telekinesis.

5. And once more his intent does not matter. Murata is not Word of God.
 
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