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Bayonetta - Universe Level Jubileus

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In the wake of the DMC Universe level Mundus statement, Dragonmasterxyz asked and was told by Hideki Kamiya that Jubileus could have destroyed the universe without using the Eyes of the World (See here).
 
"Could be..." I'm pretty sure than the creator can said something better than that... anyway, when it said that he could destroy the universe, it is one shot the universe or destroy it eventually?
 
"Jubileus will be resurrected, and a new universe will take hold!"

"Light, dark, and chaos between. Three realities once split shall be brought together to create a new universe in the image of the old."

"The time has come for Jubileus to return! At last, the Trinity of Realities will know their real ruler, and time will begin anew!"

"No one can control Jubileus now. Its power is too intense...Light, Dark, human. All the strife, all the struggle...The Trinities of Reality wrapped up in a vortex of creation!"
 
mmm... those lines sound a much... theatrical (not sure if is the correct word); could means a pair of things, like just take the absolute control, to warp the entire universe; and I haven't played the game, but he has show those kind of power in a boss fight or in a video cut?
 
Due to Jubileus being able to survive the Universe being torn apart, I guess possibly 3-A is alright due to not contradicting any feats Jubilues has.
 
Not really on board with this one. "Could be" is not good enough, especially when he didn't even directly bring up anything universal himself.
 
Again, not on board with this. I mentioned before why the scaling would then make no sense, and it still applies here.

On top of this, this isn't even in the same league as the Mundus tweet. In the other, a question was asked if Mundus really created multiple stars, and Kamiya replied that it was a universe. Whether this is deemed acceptable or not, it is far more concrete than directly asking him if Jubileus is a universe buster and his response being equivalent to an uncaring shrug.

If I asked Toby Fox if Chara could destroy an infinite dimensional construct, and his response was "Maybe. Maybe not", that would not be deemed nearly enough to upgrade the character due to having no showings to support it, coupled with the overly direct nature of the question, and the author's own uncertainty/apathy.
 
I agree with Azathoth and Matthew.
 
Ok, i'm confused, why don't you think this is legitimate? Jubileus was already stated to be able to rewrite the universe multiple times, and Hideki just confirmed that she probably could. I get that he can be a troll sometimes, but if this you guys aren't even gonna consider this as a WoG statement of Jubileus being possibly 3-A then why is Mundus statement being accepted? Sorry if that came off as a bit rude i just don't understand and am a bit upset as to why one statement could be taken over another.
 
Jubileus was stated to be able to rewrite the universe with the Eyes of the World, which is not her power, but the power of Aesir. Kamiya was directly asked if she could destroy the universe, and his response was a vague and uncaring "could be". This is not substantial enough, and is not comparable to the Mundus tweet, which even in that case I am still uncertain of, and it is being determined if it even scales to regular AP. Even the concrete statement in which the idea of a universe was strictly brought up by Kamiya and Kamiya alone is being evaluated and taken with a grain of salt.
 
WeeklyBattles said:
In the wake of the DMC Universe level Mundus statement, Dragonmasterxyz asked and was told by Hideki Kamiya that Jubileus could have destroyed the universe without using the Eyes of the World (See here).
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I find it odd that you try to use "Could be" as a way to upgrade Bayonetta, yet you disagree with the use of "Could be" for other characters. Sounds very fishy to me now tbh.
 
Creating a universe through reality warping is different from flat out destroying a universe, or at least i thought Mundus used reality warping.
 
That's not the point, the point is that you try to use WoG to upgrade a character yet you yourself have found the exact statement to be faulty and non trustworthy for another character. Sounds like cherry picking/hypocrisy.
 
What Weekly is saying is that if that is accepted, this should be as well. If not than neither shouldn't be accepted. That's the gist of what he's saying...
 
Both are different from eachother, this is a question which asks whether or not x character is Universal while the Mundus statement is just giving clarity as to what is being made within a cutscene.
 
ugh the lack of notifications is killing me.. Anyway despite adding clarity it is just a WoG statement that's accepted. So we request "possibly 3-A" as an okay upgrade. Howeve, who know what will happen. I stated my disagreement on the other thread. Weekly made this thread more for fairness than anything else.
 
based on what I see this won't be accepted. Weekly anything you might have to back up an upgrade?
 
This thread, and pretty much everyone agreed with it too. You and me both, honestly I still don't get it, if the Mundus statement was accepted (which it was) then this statement should be accepted as well, even if it's only a "Possibly 3-A" due to Hideki's wording.
 
Well the "Could Be" is not very solid as seen by comments above. But the first thread should be viable.
 
It's sad. 3-A Dante goes through pretty easily but 3-A Bayo has difficulty even being noticed.

I'm not exactly against "possibly", since the Verse had Universe feats even before.
 
Well at least it would be a fair fight that could be added to the profiles, that is, if this gets accepted...
 
I hope it does...If so an equalized speed match will happen to decide the ultimate Kamiya badass.
 
Yes they can. They have been for a while. But that's the only type of stat equalized fight that can be accepted.
 
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