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Xeno Goku vs Sonic redux

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Last thread was made 3 months ago, that ended a stomp for each depending on the versions, since Sonic got upgraded to Low 2-C, I wonder how this fares

Base Archie Sonic vs SSJ4 Xeno Goku

Speed equal

Who wins and why?

Sonic: 9 (Oblivion Lightning, ShadowWarrior, Neon Battle Bind, The User789, ShakeResounding, Glaceon, Epsilon, Jjmil, Hyper)

Goku: 7 (A Stoned Orc, Ionliosite, LordAce900, MonsteroftheAbyss, Omegas03, AwkguyDB, Magic)

Ness:

Sonic Default Dance
Son Goku Fortnite Dance
 
Okay so tell me, since Sonic's page is a massive wall of text, I don't see sufficient regen for Sonic to survive Goku even glancing at Base Archie Sonic before he explodes like confetti and dust to the wind. High-Mid ain't going to allow you to survive vaporization that Dragon Ball likes so much.
 
Sonic has Type 8 Immortality due to the One Billionth Aura ring if I recall that allows him to come back even if he was erased from existence
 
MrLuk2000 said:
Sonic has Type 8 Immortality due to the One Billionth Aura ring if I recall
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Sounds like a cop-out but alright. What's Goku's win con then? AP is out due to Immortality, can Rewind Time to get out of Mafuuba, and BFR is a no-go due to Portal Creation.
 
Type 8 immortality with the One Billionth Aura Ring that can even bring back if he was erased from existence
 
Type 8 doesn't in anyway protect you from being knocked out and his only showing, he immediately passed out. Not to mention, his Time Rewind is incredibly situational, he was in his Super Form and had RW Mobius back to Normal after Eggman launched the Genesis Wave.

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Sonic passed out because he was up fighting Eggman for days and was already beaten up badly, not because of the immortality.

He also came back from being vaporized so yeah.

>He was fighting eggman for days

No he wasn't.

He was fighting Eggman for the duration that the UA went off. He had already rested previously after getting away from St John momentarily. And that's implying he'd be more tired fighting Eggman, another Low 2-C than Goku, a 2-B.

>He also came back from being Vaporized

And it's his sole showing, it's pure extrapolation to say that he will come back in tip top fighting strength from getting punch by a 2-B, you're gonna feats for that like well, everyone else.
 
I'm going to vote Goku via incap.

He has higher AP, and he's reluctant to kill even his worst enemies to begin with. He'll go for the OHKO and then just sit on him.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
@Hst master
Here it is, though forget the fighting Eggman for days part, I misworded that.

Sonic was captured and beate, stated to fight like never before, says himself that he needs rest, is stated to go through mental stress and grief, is continuously hunted, is beat agai, makes note that he's physically and mentally exhausted, can barely continue moving, and finally fights Eggman to the death, only to pass out after he came back from the Ultimate Annihilator overloading.
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And again this is implying that all of this is > taking one punch from a 2-B, which would result in immediate death. Which wouldn't be the case at all.
 
VioletVoid100 said:
Sonic has TOO many defenses up on his belt. If Goku can incap but I see no reason that he ca
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Sonic in base is Low 2-C. Goku is 2-B; he's at minimum a 1000x stronger than Sonic even ignoring Goku's actual AP reasoning.
 
And Sonic has fate hax that can harm even Acausilty type 4 beings and has immortality type 8. You can't solve things just by punching them when they have these kinds of broken defenses.
 
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And Sonic has fate hax that can harm even Acausilty type 4 beings and has immortality type 8. You can't solve things just by punching them when they have these kinds of broken defenses.
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None of those counters KO.

His "Harming even Acausality Type 4 Beings" is Acausality Negation, not Hax.

Immortality does not counter KO.
 
VioletVoid100 said:
And Sonic has fate hax that can harm even Acausilty type 4 beings and has immortality type 8. You can't solve things just by punching them when they have these kinds of broken defenses.
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Fate Hax doesn't harm anyone, it just prevents him from being killed he can very much still lose a fight and again the problem with his type 8 has already been pointed out, and again nothing stops him from being K.O.'d
 
Oh and also his Fate Hax is a little oversold. If he truly won every encounter ever, then the Genesis Wave would've never occured.
 
So what's stopping Sonic from nulling as Goku ain't gonna lead with incap right away?

He also can't teleport to other dimensions or universes if Sonic just BFRs him with a power ring.

Voting Sonic.
 
I'm pretty sure Goku leads with punches (as this Goku is serious) which will incap Sonic, but vote counted
 
Oblivion Lightning said:
So what's stopping Sonic from nulling as Goku ain't gonna lead with incap right away?

He also can't teleport to other dimensions or universes if Sonic just BFRs him with a power ring.

Voting Sonic.
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Yes he can. Xeno Goku regularly uses IT to teleport through Timelines and has resistance to BFR anyway.
 
@Luk Might wanna remove the vote that argued a one-shot. Type 8 says no to that.

Power Rings are constantly slept on. Sonic's shown to lead with them unless he has a reason not to, which is as simple as Power Null GG. If Sonic were to die, and I heavily assume he would because Goku isn't just gonna lead with incap, that'd be spelling out his own doom as Sonic would then go sicko mode. So Sonic FRA if anything.

But this is kinda a stupid matchup and should be closed lol
 
ShakeResounding said:
@Luk Might wanna remove the vote that argued a one-shot. Type 8 says no to that.

Power Rings are constantly slept on. Sonic's shown to lead with them unless he has a reason not to, which is as simple as Power Null GG. If Sonic were to die, and I heavily assume he would because Goku isn't just gonna lead with incap, that'd be spelling out his own doom as Sonic would then go sicko mode. So Sonic FRA if anything.

But this is kinda a stupid matchup and should be closed lol
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He doesn't tho? Every time he uses one it's in a situation where actively has to get one or is somewhere like Nate's Ring Grotto or the Classic Era Special Zones. It's not just rings on tap. And again no one has shown proof other than an assumption that Sonic is gonna be brough back in tip top shape and not unconscious like the last time something killed him. Not to mention Power Null is very shaky, seeing as the reason is just because Nate blew Ugly Naugus back threw the Zone of Silence Portal, with one ring when he himself is powered by countless.

I agree that this is a dumb matchup tho
 
It was only one ring when Nate nulled Nagus.

Also is there anything different from the other Goku vs Archie match? This is a dumb match.
 
Actually yeah I agree it should be closed. Nothing will get added. And this might end in circles
 
I'm talking about Nagus being Ugly Naugus. Who is powered by Countless Rings just like Ultra Sonic and Hyper Tails. It's shaky because somehow saying 1 ring > Ugly Naugus > Countless Rings and unlike Chaos Emeralds, Rings are finite.
 
Why is everyone voting Sonic FRA when Goku's much more IC action would be KO? Goku can sense evil intentions and since Sonic would have none (They're just forced to battle via OP and SBA), Goku would IT + KO before going on his way. In fact, Goku would be even more inclined to go for the KO since Sonic is largely a hero.
 
Goku isn't aware of Sonic's status as a hero, just at the lack of evil intent.

Thinking > teleporting and actually doing literally anything.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Goku isn't aware of Sonic's status as a hero, just at the lack of evil intent.

Thinking > teleporting and actually doing literally anything.
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And again he won't be likely to use a Power Ring from the start, not to mention the already iffyness of "Power Null GG"
 
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