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Dragon Ball Super Discussion Thread 15

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As per the word, any thoughts that y'all wanted to continue talking on regarding to DBS from the last thread, put them over to here.
 
I'm hoping they put Black Goku performing 2-C feats or higher. That wil almost make up for all their screw-ups as of recently.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
What screw-ups are you talking about?
The way they humilliated Vegeta with the whole pacifier thing. Gohan going back to his training... only for it to go nowhere (as well as regaining his Mystic form without any explanation whatsoever/dropping his cool and nostalgic ROF hairstyle for that nerdy hipster look again). Blue haired Trunks without any explanation.

Don't get me wrong. I still like Super a lot. And I'll keep watching it. I just feel some details diminish the experience.

At least they mostly have good animation nowadays, so that's a point for them.
 
Hmm, wonder if we will get to Thread 100 in the future XD, anyway, I as well am hoping for at least a 2-C feat in the future, but now I'm having my doubts
 
Cross I hate to say this but I'm already losing hope for this arc with the way things are going. Honestly I am already under the impression that this arc is going to end up being a letdown but I hope I'm wrong and this shit picks up or else I will be pissed.
 
@Derp It has only been 2 episodes.... The arc just started.... chill out...don't rush it or we will end up with crap. Next episode Black Goku meets Goku. How is the show not picking up?
 
^Yeah in the preview Black has already time traveled with an odd ring. Meaning he has some good hax right there as he go back in time and kill people without Acausality. Anyway yeah he already shows up in Goku's time period. He didn't waste anytime catching up to Trunks. Black's like a bloodhound that can time travel.XD Heck we even see the two about to fight.
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
^Yeah in the preview Black has already time traveled with an odd ring. Meaning he has some good hax right there as he go back in time and kill people without Acausality. Anyway yeah he already shows up in Goku's time period. He didn't waste anytime catching up to Trunks. Black's like a bloodhound that can time travel.XD Heck we even see the two about to fight.
Blacks time travel isn't under his own power though he has to use a device to go there which is already disappointing.
 
What Derpmaster said, Dragon. He can time travel but you said yourself that he did it with a ring meaning he can't do it on his own power...
 
You know what!? You guys piss me off sometimes! All you care about are feats, hax, and seeing if Goku can reach tier 2! Toriyama didn't create this show to make Goku and the other stronger! He made it to tell a completely brand new story! We shouldn't judge by what feats it give us, but by how good the story actually is! That's why most of got into DBZ in the first place! Like WTF!? I'm sorry for getting all mad, but Goddamn! Don't judge the show off of what feats it gives us, please.
 
Honestly at this point i don't care if goku and the rest get hax though it would be good for them to have it and i am still hoping it happens this arc because if it doesn't and they really get upped to tier 2 there are gonna be a lot of stomp matches against them,i am more interested in finding out what abilities the omni-king has because he is almost certainly going to have hax.
 
@AF2916: It's alright. But yeah you do have a point: The rest of the people who watch DBS should really calm down on the feats and powers thing though. Like since we're likely to get more of them, just please be patient about it.
 
AnimeFanboy2916 said:
You know what!? You guys piss me off sometimes! All you care about are feats, hax, and seeing if Goku can reach tier 2! Toriyama didn't create this show to make Goku and the other stronger! He made it to tell a completely brand new story! We shouldn't judge by what feats it give us, but by how good the story actually is! That's why most of got into DBZ in the first place! Like WTF!? I'm sorry for getting all mad, but Goddamn! Don't judge the show off of what feats it gives us, please.
I am sorry if I have upset you bet remember this is a debating site which means what we look forward to the most is actual feats.
 
AnimeFanboy2916 said:
You know what!? You guys piss me off sometimes! All you care about are feats, hax, and seeing if Goku can reach tier 2! Toriyama didn't create this show to make Goku and the other stronger! He made it to tell a completely brand new story! We shouldn't judge by what feats it give us, but by how good the story actually is! That's why most of got into DBZ in the first place! Like WTF!? I'm sorry for getting all mad, but Goddamn! Don't judge the show off of what feats it gives us, please.
Calm down man we all want a good and fun story but this is a character indexing site where we judge characters by feats so naturally we would be interested in how powerful the characters become it's not that we don't care about the character or the story it's just that this isn't really the place to say discuss plot points of the story or analyse the story etc. if you want to do that go to a place like kanzenshuu where they discuss such things.
 
Celestial Pegasus said:
Honestly at this point i don't care if goku and the rest get hax though it would be good for them to have it and i am still hoping it happens this arc because if it doesn't and they really get upped to tier 2 there are gonna be a lot of stomp matches against them,i am more interested in finding out what abilities the omni-king has because he is almost certainly going to have hax.
Indeed. While i'm not much of a fan of DBS as i am with DB and Z, i would like to have the verse get some hax (if even just a little) if they were to reach Tier 2 in this arc.
 
While he cannot do it on his own power, the ring is equipment so that counts. The ring as shown in the preview is similar in size to a Vongola Ring from KHR. But I love the story of DBS however I also really want some decent hax. Attacking atoms is all I need personally...
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
While he cannot do it on his own power, the ring is equipment so that counts. The ring as shown in the preview is similar in size to a Vongola Ring from KHR. But I love the story of DBS however I also really want some decent hax. Attacking atoms is all I need personally...
Brah if we actually just got atomic hax then I would be ok with that.
 
@Dragon: Even so, we'd probably have to list it in the Equipment section. Maybe in the powers section instead but idk.....hmm....

@Derp: Atomic hax WOULD be aite for me. Though when i think about it, it just would look weird to me. Maybe if it was done in action then i'd consider it then.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
@Dragon: Even so, we'd probably have to list it in the Equipment section. Maybe in the powers section instead but idk.....hmm....
@Derp: Atomic hax WOULD be aite for me. Though when i think about it, it just would look weird to me. Maybe if it was done in action then i'd consider it then.
Maybe it could become a basic part of their arsenal like saint seiya maybe?
 
Having some form of hax would be great but i wouldn't want atomic hax at this point, it is far too late for such a hax to really matter if the characters are indeed going into tier 2 category, guys in that category usually have reality warping or something like soul manipulation or mind manipulation, needing to touch your opponent at that level is a disadvantage when most guess don't need to.
 
i predict this thing will go on until thread #50 or so :p though this is actually interesting simple but complex i like where all of this is going
 
AnimeFanboy2916 said:
You know what!? You guys piss me off sometimes! All you care about are feats, hax, and seeing if Goku can reach tier 2! Toriyama didn't create this show to make Goku and the other stronger! He made it to tell a completely brand new story! We shouldn't judge by what feats it give us, but by how good the story actually is! That's why most of got into DBZ in the first place! Like WTF!? I'm sorry for getting all mad, but Goddamn! Don't judge the show off of what feats it gives us, please.
I've already thought the concept for this arc was stupid. I mean, Trunks's blue hair retcon, Mai becoming a main character (which sounds like something straight out of DBZ fanfiction), evil Goku, and what felt suspiciously to me like trying to recreate the Cell Saga, arguably the most popular saga in all of DBZ, which strongly suggests they are running out of ideas. The feats were all that kept me going. But already, we've seen Black Goku can only travel between timelines with a device, not his own power. As to WHY I crave feats so desperately... look, Goku vs. Superman 2 REALLY deeply traumatized me, and I WANT some legitimately high-tier feats so that we can soundly crush Screwattack's arguments ONCE and for ALL. But if this arc is any indication, that may not be happening.
 
The Queen Diclonius said:
AnimeFanboy2916 said:
You know what!? You guys piss me off sometimes! All you care about are feats, hax, and seeing if Goku can reach tier 2! Toriyama didn't create this show to make Goku and the other stronger! He made it to tell a completely brand new story! We shouldn't judge by what feats it give us, but by how good the story actually is! That's why most of got into DBZ in the first place! Like WTF!? I'm sorry for getting all mad, but Goddamn! Don't judge the show off of what feats it gives us, please.
I've already thought the concept for this arc was stupid. I mean, Trunks's blue hair retcon, Mai becoming a main character (which sounds like something straight out of DBZ fanfiction), evil Goku, and what felt suspiciously to me like trying to recreate the Cell Saga, arguably the most popular saga in all of DBZ, which strongly suggests they are running out of ideas. The feats were all that kept me going. But already, we've seen Black Goku can only travel between timelines with a device, not his own power. As to WHY I crave feats so desperately... look, Goku vs. Superman 2 REALLY deeply traumatized me, and I WANT some legitimately high-tier feats so that we can soundly crush Screwattack's arguments ONCE and for ALL. But if this arc is any indication, that may not be happening.
And they ruined Gohan... Not to mention making Vegeta be humilliated on the Copy Vegeta arc.

At this point, it's saving grace are the feats and the slice of life episodes.
 
I am having my doubts now, I really want this arc to be good for Dragonball in terms of power, feats, and abilities, I am not AS hyped as before, I am kind of lowering my expectations now, I honestly want more upgrades to put an end to annoying debates in the Dragonball community so they could finally be seen as high tier or top tier, be treated with respect and be left alone by fantards like the OPM and Superman communities, hopefully the power creep comes in soon, Akira still said the timelines are going to be discussed and likely are going to be endangered. Dragonball has proved us wrong before though when we had our doubts, one of the main themes of Dragonball is never underestimate ANYONE, and have expectations, so my hype is down, but it is not out...
 
My god guys we don't even know for sure if he uses the device to travel to other universes (unless I missed something). Could just be a pointer telling him where to go, what good is forcibly going into the timestream if you're just going to get lost in an infinite sea of realities lol.
 
I am going to be patient and I have no hype whatsoever. Also, in objectivity, we'll see how Goku Black would be facing Goku and the other two.
 
I think that's what the Toriyama wants us to feel. To lower our expectations and then BOOM!!! Grand feats galore. Just like what happened in episode 12
 
Dragonmasterxyz said:
I think that's what the Toriyama wants us to feel. To lower our expectations and then BOOM!!! Grand feats galore. Just like what happened in episode 12
Hopefully man... Hopefully, half of us here especially me and Diclonius are DESPERATE for feats at this point... Hopefully the ring isn't actually how he time travels and that he could do it on his own, BUT one good thing to say about Black is that he is very cutthroat, relentless, and brutal he goes for the kill immediately just like Hit so he is gonna win plenty of non bloodlusted fights, and even if this arc let's us down, time travel is still pretty good hax against those who aren't tier 2+ or acausual so Black's still decently haxxed with that ability alone when it comes to tier 3, the fight officially kicks off next week and that will be 3/14 of expected arc length.

But also, I don't only want the feats just for debates, because let's face it... Tier 2 fights, especially when animated are hype.as.shit. I genuinely love space-time fuckery, sometimes I hope Goku and Vegeta can find a way to breathe in space so they can do so Gurren Lagann type shit like throwing each other across the universe. It's one of the many things I wish for having Tier 2 or 1 so that Dragonball can finally be established as top tier to where they can not have a new Shonen Anime scrub of the week like Saitama be debated with Dragonball
 
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