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Diavolo fights the hero of hyrule REDUX.

I dont think the result would change from the last thread tbh.time skip makes it hard to kill him and we've seen him spamming it before
 
DIC Link EEs, from what I gather from Diavolo's precog he sees 10 seconds into the future, meaning all he's seeing is that he's not there, he won't be able to gather whether he was erased or gone from the battlefield and while he'll definetely time erase the beams, Link can off-guard throw a boomerang without him realizing or he'd block it which erase him or he'd get his stand to block one of Link's attacks which will erase King Crimson. Also to go over the last thread cause I can't believe this was remotely even an agrument.

"King Crimson one-shots Stands that are around half of Link's AP. I don't see why Link won't get a mortal wound and bleed out and die while Diavolo avoids everything thrown at him."

Because a fully trained boxer punching someone off-guard wouldn't mortally wound the person, mind you that the person is mostly relativev to them in AP, Link is a 2x gap, literally none of his attacks are "mortally wounding" there's also the fact that Diavolo himself is 10-A, he gets atomized if Link even touches him due to the sheer AP difference, meaning he can only attack with his stand which won't be able to mortally wound nor kill Link.
 
11/10 refute. Too bad a vs battle is entirely hypothetical and hypothetics require assumptions. But I guess people just suddenly forgot about that.
 
Diavolo's precog isn't like a fixed 3rd person camera. If he disappears, he won't assume that he left the area, instead he would go into high alert and erase immediately. Also, catching Diavolo off-guard is impossible due to the precog.
 
We don't need this thread and it should be closed.
 
We already went over why he doesn't do what you're suggesting he does in character on the other thread. This should be closed, I agree with Moritzva.
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
Link the previous thread so people can go and check and Diavolo for reasons I provided there.
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Idk why people entertain making fun of an argument, just refute the claim and stop being so condescending geez louise
 
We already went over why he doesn't do what you're suggesting he does in character on the other thread. This should be closed, I agree with Moritzva.

No we didn't. You just asked for citations of when he spammed his precog and erase and ignored them when someone did cite them. Your hypocrisy knows no bounds, my dude.
 
Hypocrisy is defined as, "the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform; pretense".

>Hypocrisy

>Posted a link backing up what I said

Nobody posted a link from what I can recall. They said X instance but didn't link the fight. Someone literally mentioned an instance where Diavolo tried to actually charge at Polnareff first before he tried a Time Erasure. If anything, you keep acting like I instigated all of this. The worst you can fault us for was trying to prematurely close it. You're the one who actively made that thread go downhill and ruined the discussion on it. I'm not trying to be rude but the only reason we even got a warning on that thread was because you started throwing blanket insults at people for voting Link and tried acting like everyone was "inferior to my intellect" type of mentality and tried trashing all of the votes as null as if we weren't smart. So the next time a mod reviews the situation, next time you should mention how we were all having an okay discussion until you made it personal over a fictional Jojo character of all things not winning a fight. That is the definition of petty.
 
I don't recall doing anything you are accusing me of. Is desiring a fair result on a prematurely concluded thread considered "ruining the discussion"? Is calling out people's misconceptions and misinterpretations of a character's abilities considered calling them "inferior to my intellect"? If I hadn't intervened, the discussion wouldn't have even occurred. As for wanting Diavolo to win for personal reasons, that is absolutely not true. I have actively argued against Jojo characters on many occasions.
 
Diavolo would naturally resist Link's beams to an extent due to being a "Real Person".

As in Link just erasing GG as is most of his votes isn't a thing. Diavolo would eventually be erased, but he can take more than one hit before that happens. King Crimson wouldn't be considered a "Magical Being" either, since it's just Diavolo's soul.

Question, though. Are souls one shot by the beams or are they still considered enough of a "Real Person" to resist?

Also, don't say the EE resistance is exclusive to LoZ humans. It's a fundamental property of the sword beams, not a special resistance of humans in the verse.
 
Real person applies to only hyrulian people you can NOT apply that to another person from a different verse.


Actually no it's a fundamental resistance of the hylains (who aren't human), not the other way around. We've been over this.


How does diavolo cut Link in half with a 3x AP difference. Does anyone not realize that even if it's not a one-shot 3x doesn't allow you to even punch through your opponent?
 
You know that its spammable?

And if anyone wants an example, take the Polnareff vs Diavolo fight. Polnareff had prior knowledge on time erase and was depending on it to predict and one-shot Diavolo the moment the time erase ended. Except Diavolo predicted that Polnareff would predict (via Epitaph) and instantly did another time erase as the first ended, but to Polnareff's credit, Silver Chariot did manage a grazing hit on Diavolo due to being one of the fastest Stands.

Here's the fight cuz that one dude kept asking for "proof" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SYet49dcjA

Link has no prior knowledge or the speed needed to hit Diavolo during the teensy bit of time between one time erase and the next. Diavolo sees that Link doesn't die in one hit, he spams time erase until Link stops moving.
 
We don't do damage accumulation here from what I remember and Diavolo in that scene kept spamming it cause he knew he can harm Polnaref there was literally a scene in the previous thread used that shows how he uses his precog/time erase wrong. Link's going to also hit him eventually no matter how much you try to deny that and one hit from Link is EE.
 
I am not doing damage accumulation. Diavolo is only slightly weaker than Link and his attacks will do decent damage. Link isn't no selling the attacks. Also, tell me how Link is going to hit him.
 
How is a 3x multiplier "slightly weaker"? It won't do decent damage. Refer to my analogy in the previous thread about two athletic humans and one of then gets a off guard punch in. Mind you they're the same strength. A 3x difference isn't one-shot but it certainly doesn't mean Diavolo is doing any decent damage. Cause to assume that diavolo is going to be perfect every single time (especially when he needs to get closer to Link which then Link just can hit him there) is the fallacy of extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Which you have not shown.
 
If you've noticed, Diavolo tends to attack from behind. Link would need to turn around while Diavolo can use that time to hit and skip time with a thought. Epitaph warns him of any nasty surprises Link can pull and he completely avoids anything Link does by skipping time. Diavolo can be perfect because he knows what's coming and where Link will be when time erase ends.

Without prior knowledge, Link would also have to deal with the disorientation caused by the memory lapse due to time erase.
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
(especially when he needs to get closer to Link which then Link just can hit him there)
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This indicates well a lack of understanding of how KC works as well as how Diavolo uses it.
 
>3x difference isn't one-shot but it certainly doesn't mean Diavolo is doing any decent damage

Diavolo actually one shots the characters that he scales from. He desnt scale due to be comparable, he scales for being able to punch through and bisect said characters casually. He can even punch a hole clean through Spice Girl, who can rip of Sticky Finger's arms.
 
King Crimson is able to casually tear apart Polnareff. Polnareff can take direct hits (As in he himself is taking the hits, not Chariot) from DIO, Magician's Red, and Heirophant Green. Diavolo massively upscales from his already considerable AP advantage.

Also, looking at the context that gave Link that resistance, that person dosn't seem to by Hyrulian (Speaks a different language, looks different). Not to mention, it's specifically stated "Real People" resist the EE. Not Hyrulians, they directly say that a "Real Person" can resist the attacks.
 
Chariot190 said:
>3x difference isn't one-shot but it certainly doesn't mean Diavolo is doing any decent damage
Diavolo actually one shots the characters that he scales from. He desnt scale due to be comparable, he scales for being able to punch through and bisect said characters casually. He can even punch a hole clean through Spice Girl, who can rip of Sticky Finger's arms.
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That's nice, how did that mitigate literally anything I said? Nice he can one-shot characters he scales from, DIC Link isn't comparable either and literally casually breaks Ganon's magic. So again, how is he doing any decent damage?
 
The Smashor said:
King Crimson is able to casually tear apart Polnareff. Polnareff can take direct hits (As in he himself is taking the hits, not Chariot) from DIO, Magician's Red, and Heirophant Green. Diavolo massively upscales from his already considerable AP advantage.
Also, looking at the context that gave Link that resistance, that person dosn't seem to by Hyrulian (Speaks a different language, looks different). Not to mention, it's specifically stated "Real People" resist the EE. Not Hyrulians, they directly say that a "Real Person" can resist the attacks.
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Ok that's nice, Link scales above Ganon's feat which is stupidly close to High 8-C. Him having an unquantifiable AP advantage to characters Link is already above bare minimum 3x is pointless.

You literally just repeated the same argument. No, you can not try to apply a completely different verse mechanic to Jojo's all this would mean is hylians are far more resistant to magic, and that's it. This would not scale to any out of verse person, that's complete headcanon. They don't directly say that a "Real person" can resist the attacks, thanks for proving you didn't even look at the scan before arguing this, all is shown is that Link doesn't EE a chick and states "hey she's not a monster, she's real" (paraphrasing) he never directly states "Real people can resist the attacks".
 
TacticalNuke002 said:
If you've noticed, Diavolo tends to attack from behind. Link would need to turn around while Diavolo can use that time to hit and skip time with a thought. Epitaph warns him of any nasty surprises Link can pull and he completely avoids anything Link does by skipping time. Diavolo can be perfect because he knows what's coming and where Link will be when time erase ends.
Without prior knowledge, Link would also have to deal with the disorientation caused by the memory lapse due to time erase.
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Attack from behind, which I addressed, if he attacks from behind he's not doing anything. Hit, does no damage and as shown in the previous thread he does not think "lemme keep hitting him" in situations where he can't harm the opponent. Let me define Diavolo's precog:

"Precognition (Epitaph shows its user visions of up to ten seconds into the future when used. The future it sees is guaranteed to occur)"

Do you grasp what an entire 10 seconds is in the middle of a fight? He cannot be perfect his precog isn't perfect it only shows him 10 seconds.

How would their be any memory lapse, he'd just be confused at the worse.
 
The memory of the 10 seconds doesn't exist in Link's mind so yes he does get confused but due to memory lapse.

Also, if you still don't get it, Diavolo doesn't let the things he sees via precog happen. He time skips over them too if he has to. If he sees something suspicious, he's going to skip, not try and interpret it. 10 seconds is a lot actually considering the number of attacks that can occur within that duration.

Again you are saying that Diavolo does no damage for whatever reason. 3X AP advantage isn't that great and the actual AP gap between the two is much closer than that. Diavolo has also shown that he can attack rush like Star Platinum and other such Stands if required so he can deal decent damage whether he does one powerful attack or rushes.
 
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