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5-B Base Naruto and Toneri

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So, after Boruto Chapter 37 and Chapter 38 , Sasuke is cemented at 5-B physically, being shown fighting on par with Karma Jigen and SPSM Naruto.

Base Naruto has 2 consistent feats showing 5-B Physicals:

  • Being able to hold his own against Momoshiki before needing to resort to SPSM (Scan 1 |Scan 2 )
Reference: Momoshiki can physically harm Sasuke.

So, with Chapter 38 culminating the fight with Jigen, Naruto would have to be 5-B in base, scaling from Sasuke.

In fact, the fight with Momoshiki and Naruto/Sasuke in the Anime (Which is Supporting Canon) further supports this:

So, as we can see, Naruto can be put at 5-B in Base. Toneri will be 5-B for overpowering Base Naruto (When Naruto fought Hinata and pulled out Toneri's Orb from her) and for being able to fight Chakra Mode Naruto.

So my recommendation is as follows for Toneri:

  • Base = Unknown, Possibly 5-B via Ninjutsu
  • Tenseigan Base = Unknown, Likely 5-B via Ninjutsu
  • Tenseigan Chakra Mode = 5-B (Could fight Chakra Mode Naruto)
The reason his Base and Tenseigan Base is Unknown, Possibly and Likely 5-B respectively is because the feat where he overpowers Naruto isca Generic Wind Style Jutsu that isn't attributed to the Tenseigan.

It can be discussed further though.

NOTE 1: Naruto's biggest buffs in his Chakra modes is to his speed now due to showings in the Manga. Given he's still in the same ball park as Sasuke in the Chakra Modes, they should just be noted as "Stronger Than Before". This part isn't arbitrary, it's based on the fact that Base Naruto can only keep up with Sasuke and People like Momoshiki in reaction speed. Not Travel speed and this makes sense as Base Naruto has Always been slower than Base Sasuke outside of Reactions without Amps.

NOTE 2: The site glitched, so my previous post with Links and everything got deleted. This is a copy/paste from my clipboard, so Idk if the Links will still be there when I post it but I will edit them back in if they're not
 
This is simple. And I hate that this site literally disagreed on this in the past literally when the feats were simple but still wanted to say these were outlier feats for Sasuke ƒñªÔÇìÔÖé´©Å

Now we literally got to sit through this unnecessary revision again
 
Sasuke was likely suppressed against Naruto.

I think So6P Adult Naruto = Full Power Adult Sasuke > Bijuu Sage Mode The Last Naruto > Toneri > Base Adult Naruto = Suppressed Adult Sasuke
 
Sasuke was fighting with a gimped Rinnegan on top of it being new, so certain abilities are unusable, like Kurama said. He was also quite a beginner with it, just barely getting used to its abilities. Whereas Naruto somehow knew every basics of SPSM mode.

So yeah, Sasuke was pretty much suppressed.

I also don't understand why people constitute being the aggressive one to being bloodlusted. Sasuke wasn't even bloodlusted, he was egging Naruto to fight to kill. There's a monumental gulf of difference between the two. If he was bloodlusted, I don't see why he wouldn't absorb the Bijuu juice at the start of the fight and blast Naruto with Indra's Arrow right off the bat. That way, Naruto wouldn't have any counter measures as he wouldn't have time to gather NE.
 
...this isn't how scaling works


Rinnegan doesn't give any physical AP boosts. It gives ocular boosts.

This thread is talking about physical and ninjutsu abilities Sasuke was amped with bijus


But u guys missed the point of this thread. This is about Base Sasuke and Base Naruto with physical and ninjutsu stars. Not transformations and stat boosts like SPSM or Susanno
 
JohnHendrix212 said:
Sasuke was fighting with a gimped Rinnegan on top of it being new, so certain abilities are unusable, like Kurama said. He was also quite a beginner with it, just barely getting used to its abilities. Whereas Naruto somehow knew every basics of SPSM mode.
So yeah, Sasuke was pretty much suppressed.

I also don't understand why people constitute being the aggressive one to being bloodlusted. Sasuke wasn't even bloodlusted, he was egging Naruto to fight to kill. There's a monumental gulf of difference between the two. If he was bloodlusted, I don't see why he wouldn't absorb the Bijuu juice at the start of the fight and blast Naruto with Indra's Arrow right off the bat. That way, Naruto wouldn't have any counter measures as he wouldn't have time to gather NE.
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Well, this isn't about Sasuke's abilities, though they are already 5-B in AP, and Sasuke was bloodlusted. The entire fight was predicated on Sasuke's ambitions of Revolution by taking out the Biju and killing the Kages, creating NWO but he knew Naruto would stand in his way. Sasuke even literally said as much in the manga.
 
The reason his Base and Tenseigan Base is Unknown, Possibly and Likely 5-B respectively is because the feat where he overpowers Naruto is a Generic Wind Style Jutsu that isn't attributed to the Tenseiga.

This is the only part i disargee with the Tenseigan is an amp to all stats just like every Dojutsu that isn't named Byakugan lol plus Toneri also notes in the movie he can feel the Tenseigans power coursing through him or something when he's just lying on his bed so it should scale to his Jutsu regardless
 
AstralKing7 said:
...this isn't how scaling works

Rinnegan doesn't give any physical AP boosts. It gives ocular boosts.

This thread is talking about physical and ninjutsu abilities Sasuke was amped with bijus
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Are you saying unlocking the rinnegan doesn't make you stronger?
 
Rinnegan will make you more powerful, but not physically as far as I'm aware. Which means Sasuke taking kicks from Jigen and not die is actually pretty impressive durability. Especially considering he penetrated their avatars using the same method.
 
NotCensored said:
The reason his Base and Tenseigan Base is Unknown, Possibly and Likely 5-B respectively is because the feat where he overpowers Naruto is a Generic Wind Style Jutsu that isn't attributed to the Tenseiga.
This is the only part i disargee with the Tenseigan is an amp to all stats just like every Dojutsu that isn't named Byakugan lol plus Toneri also notes in the movie he can feel the Tenseigans power coursing through him or something when he's just lying on his bed so it should scale to his Jutsu regardless
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This is not true. Doujutsu do not amp stats. And Tenseigan only amps stats with its Chakra Mode. Now, I don't remember Toneri making that exact statement but I will rewatch the movie to double check.
 
Callsign Castle said:
AstralKing7 said:
...this isn't how scaling works

Rinnegan doesn't give any physical AP boosts. It gives ocular boosts.

This thread is talking about physical and ninjutsu abilities Sasuke was amped with bijus
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Are you saying unlocking the rinnegan doesn't make you stronger?
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Unlocking Rinnegan gives a boost to your Doujutsu, not Ninjutsu or Physical Stats.
 
Callsign Castle said:
I pretty sure I remember unlocking the next step in a eye's progression = more chakra = more AP
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It only strengthens their Doujutsu Chakra. Tenseigan is the only one which strengthens its user all around.
 
Why are we backscaling Adult Sasuke to Sasuke at the Valley of the End?
 
Damage3245 said:
Why are we backscaling Adult Sasuke to Sasuke at the Valley of the End?
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That's not really what's happening here. The focus is on Naruto but in the past, some people where skeptical of Sasuke's physicality (Despite having some feats). This just enhances that and should clear the doubt.
 
@TFO; but it seems like the feat that is being suggested that proves base Sasuke = SPSM Naruto is from Boruto when they're both adults.

Yet in their fight at the Valley of the End, Sasuke clashes equally with base Naruto.

So doesn't this just suggest at best that:

Teenage Sasuke = Base Teenage Naruto.

Adult Sasuke = SPSM Adult Naruto.
 
Damage3245 said:
@TFO; but it seems like the feat that is being suggested that proves base Sasuke = SPSM Naruto is from Boruto when they're both adults.
Yet in their fight at the Valley of the End, Sasuke clashes equally with base Naruto.

So doesn't this just suggest at best that:

Teenage Sasuke = Base Teenage Naruto.

Adult Sasuke = SPSM Adult Naruto.
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The chakra mode doesn't amp Naruto's AP/Durability "that much" like it used to before the Six Paths power up. Only his speed gets a major amp, proven through Naruto's various fights where his Base can Block and Tank attacks from characters like Momoshiki whom can hurt Sasuke.

Base Naruto has always only been slower than Sasuke with only Reaction Speed being able to keep up.

So in reality, it's really more like:

  • SPSM Naruto >= Teenage Sasuke = Base Naruto
  • SPSM Adult Naruto >= Adult Sasuke = Base Naruto
Again, this is based on Naruto's showings as well as Sasuke's now.
 
We should focus on ap.

Base Sasuke has been the same ever since he got the rinnegan. Being able to harm Madara physically as well as being stated to be Naruto's only rival back then and actually Sasuke has always been portrayed physically equal to Naruto but Naruto always edged out jsut a little more
 
I have found some evidence that suggests Rinnegan Sasuke is not equal to base Sasuke.

Apparently the Rinnegan itself is filled with chakra, and just by implanting it in his body Obito gained a power boost. Notice how he isn't just referring to the ocular powers themselves, but both the chakra AND the ocular powers.

From that it seems logical that Rinnegan Sasuke > Base Sasuke.
 
Damage3245 said:
I have found some evidence that suggests Rinnegan Sasuke is not equal to base Sasuke.

Apparently the Rinnegan itself is filled with chakra, and just by implanting it in his body Obito gained a power boost. Notice how he isn't just referring to the ocular powers themselves, but both the chakra AND the ocular powers.

From that it seems logical that Rinnegan Sasuke > Base Sasuke.
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Lmao what????


No such thing man. U do realize there is no such thing as rinnegan Sasuke right? Rinnegan Sasuke is base sasuke

Like this is so illogical to the point where even evidence from Edo tensei Madara not going up in AP even tho he used rinnegan. From Momoshiki when he awakens his third rinnegan to Madara and his third rinnegan. It's a ocular boost and it doesn't have to even be stated that when the feats they show proves it.

And finally ƒñúƒñúƒñúUrashiki himself is the biggest debunk to this. He literally has two different pair of rinnegans and he doesn't get physically stronger
 
It's obvious that Obito was referencing his ocular abilties even if he didn't state that because there once was a statement about how the sharingan uses lots of chakra in the eye
 
Okay on second thought your own scan debunks u. It literally states ocular power and we have been using this for years

No where is stated a full boost to the body it is specifically saying ocular
 
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