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Masadaverse Discussion thread 25

Since when being a virgin is a bad thing? Beatrice is a pure maiden, while those slutty heroines were whored to the whole global market

Eleanor being a 90 years old virgin is funny though
 
Embracetophats said:
well, to begin with, 1-A implies shit like acausality and immunity to time manipulation and time travel and retcons.

yet hadou gods cant time travel (unless their specific abilities allow for that)

Satanael retconned the previous gods according to you guys.

Merc can apparently retcon Hajun from existence from what i have heard here and there
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You don't really understand law and taikyoku in this series. It's the power to force nonsense, quite litteraly. It's "shut up, I have power so it works". This is the power to take precedence over.

This is not merely time travel and retcon. This is 1-A time travel and 1-A retcon. Those are not the same thing.

Also who said they can't time travel? I have never seen it stated anywhere that they can't. If you had a hadou or gudou god that wished for it, I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be impossible.

Embracetophats said:
it also implies 1 version of yourself in all of reality
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The "all encompassing" being you are talking about does not exist in fiction whatsoever. Different routes are from the same story only to us the reader. To the characters, it doesn't exist. It is a route because the author chose to write it as a "separate route", it isn't always a different timeline or whatever. If my life was a story and tomorrow I'd have two choices: staying in bed or waking up, there wouldn't be two timelines because I chose to stay in bed. The "day" where I wake up doesn't exist and is nonsense because it actually doesn't exist, not because I am limited to it.

Embracetophats said:
yet you have 2 versions with different taikyoku values for reinhard and ren and you have pantheon following the marie route because ren loves marie yet the Rea route is apparently still a thing and is canon
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...Who say it is canon these days? Doesn't Pantheon follow KKK which directly contradicts Rea's route?

In KKK, Hajun kills everyone, takes the throne etc. In the fight version against Hajun that leads to Rea's route, only Merc survives and he manages to emanate his acta est fabula, then removes all chances of Hajun existing and then the Rea route itself happens.
 
Stop arguing with Embrace here.

This should be a fun discussion thread about a series we all care about. Talking about stuff like Pantheon and Avesta, not this.


I am tired of it being nothing more than argument after argument that devoles into circular arguments.

Masada is on hiatus for revisions - if there are any questions on revisions, then they should be debated on those threads that will come out in the future - not here.
 
Rea route being canon is old news tbh. More than likely K3 is the new canon or Masada will pull some multiverse BS and makes all events and timelines ties into one routes.

K3 established many things about the universe and did much more to the verse as a whole than Rea route where they beat Hajun and live happy ever after.

Not to mention the Pantheon preload and prologue mentioned that the Gods revival event was set in the stone since first heaven so Marie and co beating Hajun really doesn't flow with anything else established within the universe.
 
Embracetophats if i remeber correct ALRF asked you for creating a CRT for downgrading Masadaverse? arguing here is useless


"yet hadou gods cant time travel (unless their specific abilities allow for that)"

it where stated they can't time travel? even then outerversal = / = omnipotent. a outerversal isn't supposed to having every single hax in existence? i'm damn sure most of Cthulhu, Umineko and DC outerversals never time travelled too cuz our standards for 1-A = / = writer standards and that is like saying Goku Black from Dragon Ball couldn't destroy planets cuz he never done that

"Satanael retconned the previous gods according to you guys."

we don't know how and even then Shinga was already dead and erased (so no power left) and Muzan accepted Satanel as next throne owner and was ok with rectoning. in a real fight Satanel wouldn't be capable of retconing him

"Merc can apparently retcon Hajun from existence from what i have heard here and there"

retconing at 1-A scale and if i remember correct Hajun got killed by KKK Cast and then Mercurius retconned Child Hajun (non atziluth) out of existence and destroyed every possiblity in borning a Atziluth Hajun ever again

" yet you have 2 versions with different taikyoku values for reinhard and ren and you have pantheon following the marie route because ren loves marie yet the Rea route is apparently still a thing and is canon"

no. if i be correct 1- Marie Route happened 2- KKK happened 3- Mercurius retconned everything 4- Rea Route and then Pantheon happened

and Routes are entire of diffrent stories. they aren't connected and canon to each other. it never stated a Route is canon or not too. idk that where stated Rea Route is canon? it also never stated we have 2 Heavens at same time. it stated entire of multiverse was under Mercurius's law not 2 Mercurius at same time or some

and who said Ren loved Marie in Pantheon? nothing implied that. Ren in both KKK and Rea Route married with Rea too so how exactly he loved Marie in Pantheon?
 
EmperorRorepme said:
To continue from the last thread...
Isn't it Mercurius who reforms the dwellers of the castle.
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The castle exists in a constant state of creation and destruction - Mercurius and Reinhard can control whether or not this constant ressurection is active or not, as shown when Beatrice asked both of them to not ressurect the Einherjar if she defeats them.
 
The castle on its own will resurrect them for as long Reinhard exists

They can however stop/slow the reincarnation process as shown in Kei route
 
I still can't get over the fact that Reinhard got raped xD

By a prostitute of all things. RIP Beast perfect image.
 
Eleanor with her 90 years of being virgin and then there is mercurius that its probably a virgin and still seeking the unknown when he never did it
 
Merc get memed a lot for being a virgin, but to be honest Merc himself comes off as Asexual more than anything. He knew Marie for a very long ass time, I would imagine he could have knocked her anytime if he wished.

Merc's love for Marie comes off more of a "worship" than actual romantic love
 
> nothing implied that. Ren in both KKK and Rea Route married with Rea too so how exactly he loved Marie in Pantheon?

Marie is his main love interest though? I don't know what is the deal with K3 ending but the whole point of Rea's route was to just go off the script that Merc made for him. Heck, Rea's route is more of "Bros" route than anything. Ren can't decided who he cares about more between Shirou and Rea

Usuaully the the closest people to Ren's heart are Marie, Kasumi and Shirou.
 
Reinhard constantly stated he never hadn't a child and incase having a family he feels responsebility. we know Reinhard isn't a liar. lying isn't in his personality.

so Issak being Reinhard's child or not is debatable. it never confimed by Masada too.
 
Isaak is undoubtedly Reinhard's son. The whole ordeal was done in a period of time when Reinhard's soul leave his body for Gladsheimr test drive, hence why he said he never made a child because in his perception he never did it. Lisa essentially used Reinhard's vacant body to conceive both Isaak and Johann without Reinhard knowing. 'Sides, Lisa using Reinhard "corpse" would fit her magic name's meaning
 
Infera28 said:
Reinhard constantly stated he never hadn't a child and incase having a family he feels responsebility. we know Reinhard isn't a liar. lying isn't in his personality.
so Issak being Reinhard's child or not is debatable. it never confimed by Masada too.
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Uh, no. Isaak is definitely Reinhard's son. He even acknowledges this himself in the final route. The reason why he wasn't aware of it until now is due to the fact that Isaak was conceived while Reinhard's soul was outside of his body inside Gladsheim.
 
ZERO7772 said:
> nothing implied that. Ren in both KKK and Rea Route married with Rea too so how exactly he loved Marie in Pantheon?
Marie is his main love interest though? I don't know what is the deal with K3 ending but the whole point of Rea's route was to just go off the script that Merc made for him. Heck, Rea's route is more of "Bros" route than anything. Ren can't decided who he cares about more between Shirou and Rea

Usuaully the the closest people to Ren's heart are Marie, Kasumi and Shirou.
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Ren might as well just decide to love both rea and marie might be because the whole thing that happening in hajun world, i dont understand this kind of stuff we will only know with pantheon to be sure about it, it should take quite some time
 
What do you guys think about Khvarenah's standing according to this wiki's current tiering system? Dude's basically eating the entire universe and ******* magical weapons and he might finish it for good if left unchecked.
 
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