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A witch VS a Kid Hedgehog

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This is Marisa in her Low 2-C key VS Classic Hyper Sonic (get it? Rainbows? Ok I see myself out)

Ordinary Witch:2

Rainbow Blur:13

Classic gets bored and ***** off:0
 
Not sure, apparently she's above people who are above Baseline Low 2-C or so I heard
 
Than Sonic has the ap advantage since in Hyper he's far above his Super form that is most likely stronger than Time Eater who is Low 2-C.
 
Super Sonic isn't stronger than Time Eater. They're equals at best, given it required two Super Sonics to beat him. Hyper is stronger though.
 
Not sure about Marisa, but Classic whenever he gets his super form starts by ramming into his opponents, Hyper would obviously do the same.
 
So I just checked her profile and it seems she has type 5 immortality and precog, which should counter sonics ramming attacks I suppose. I guess sonic could go for a knockout. How good is her precog?
 
kinda sad watching nobody defend ma waifu but here goes nothing

i think from the speed perspective marisa and sanic have equal amount of speed but the reason i objectively think marisa will win is superior range and attack power. no matter how powerfull sonic is, marisa can kite him endlessly since sonic only have melee attack capabilities there is no way for him to damage her in any way.

if we put this in gaming terms its like a full eyelander stack demoknight without charge trying to kill a scout that is just attacking him while walking backwards.

or a 6 item hecarim trying to kill a challanjour perfect kite kalista

you can't kill what you can't hit
 
CaptainFinnigan said:
So I just checked her profile and it seems she has type 5 immortality and precog, which should counter sonics ramming attacks I suppose. I guess sonic could go for a knockout. How good is her precog?
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the Ultramarine Orb Elixir is literally a cheat, it literally makes marisa completely immortal and invincible to attacks since the elixir basicly makes the user knows EVERYTHING that will be experienced in the future. in the game it acts like a checkpoint... a CANNON checkpoint that can be abused forever (called a point device mode for people who can't git gud but want to finish the game anyway but they still can't because the game is too hard even on easy mode and infinite restart does not help.)

aslong that thing isnt banned, she can't be beaten by anything
 
Nekorisa Kirisame said:
CaptainFinnigan said:
So I just checked her profile and it seems she has type 5 immortality and precog, which should counter sonics ramming attacks I suppose. I guess sonic could go for a knockout. How good is her precog?
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the Ultramarine Orb Elixir is literally a cheat, it literally makes marisa completely immortal and invincible to attacks since the elixir basicly makes the user knows EVERYTHING that will be experienced in the future. in the game it acts like a checkpoint... a CANNON checkpoint that can be abused forever (called a point device mode for people who can't git gud but want to finish the game anyway but they still can't because the game is too hard even on easy mode and infinite restart does not help.)
aslong that thing isnt banned, she can't be beaten by anything
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I agree on Ultramarine Elixir Orb part, but "she can't be beaten by anything" is a little NLF since she's inferior against people such as Hecatia, and Junko could kill her by 'purifying (refining)' the effects of potion out of her...


So, uh- it kinda depends on what kind of hax you'd use against the elixir.
 
IMO how the battle ensues

Both start at close proximity but then Marisa starts flying and Sonic chases, Sonic is chasing with Max speed but struggling to keep up with Marisa's speed and the fact she just fly without obstruction. Marisa starts using danmaku after danmaku to sonic and he tries to dodge everything while chasing her, he might be FTL but with the amount of lazers coming at him he is bound to either stop chasing or get hit a few times, meanwhile marisa only gains more and more speed since she does not need to stop during her danmakus. Sonic focus tries to boost and attack her, but with her Tier 5 precognition she evades it with ease and counter attack him using pointblank master spark. sonic maybe durable but i don't think even he can survive that... but assuming he survive the pointblank master spark, it still going to stagger sonic in which marisa can gain even more distance and attack him with more and more magic while dodging every single sonics attempt to strike with her precognition (even without precognition marisa is known to dodge attacks from far faster projectiles... she comes from a bullet hell game, should be obvious) since sonic does not have an AOE attacks there is no way for him to be able to hurt her in anyway. and with that the chase goes on and on until sonic finally falls.

With the Ultramarine Orb Elixir, Sonic stands 0 chance of winning.

Even with Ultramarine Orb Elixir banned, Sonic have the lower ground and most probabbly will lose.
 
NothingToDebateWith said:
Nekorisa Kirisame said:
CaptainFinnigan said:
So I just checked her profile and it seems she has type 5 immortality and precog, which should counter sonics ramming attacks I suppose. I guess sonic could go for a knockout. How good is her precog?
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the Ultramarine Orb Elixir is literally a cheat, it literally makes marisa completely immortal and invincible to attacks since the elixir basicly makes the user knows EVERYTHING that will be experienced in the future. in the game it acts like a checkpoint... a CANNON checkpoint that can be abused forever (called a point device mode for people who can't git gud but want to finish the game anyway but they still can't because the game is too hard even on easy mode and infinite restart does not help.)
aslong that thing isnt banned, she can't be beaten by anything
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I agree on Ultramarine Elixir Orb part, but "she can't be beaten by anything" is a little NLF since she's inferior against people such as Hecatia, and Junko could kill her by 'purifying (refining)' the effects of potion out of her...


So, uh- it kinda depends on what kind of hax you'd use against the elixir.
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yeah thats true for fellow touhou characters since they know what it does, i mean by anything is anything that sonic would trow (thats my bad, im not in the best condition rn)

but if we talk other universes that don't really know her capabilities, its highly unlikely marisa would be beaten. (exp for being who can completely overpowered her and somehow counters her precognition by AOE erasing everything)
 
UltimateFlare said:
Can she bypass his invincibility though?
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i belive soo, her attacks are capable to hurt god like creatures in gensokyo and according to this wiki her attack lvl are Universe+ just like sonics durability. but.... im pretty sure sonics invincibility does not last forever. even if it does last forever, her speciality is heat magic, with the amount of damage she deal she will either :

1. overpowers his invincibility

2. burns him from the inside out

but i trully belive his invincibility does not last forever and if he can't hit her anyway there is simply no way for him to beat her even during his invis time
 
You can't burn somebody from the outside with invincibility and expect it to take him down from the inside. Also, having the same AP as someone's dura who has invincibility doesn't mean much. Invincibility means just that, that you're impervious to attacks at and even beyond your level to a certain extent. Her attacks aren't overpowering his invincibility, which also doesn't have a time limit.

Since she has no reliable way of harming him or putting him down, it's only a matter of time before Sonic uses Void Manipulation from Violet Void to erase her from existence.

Sonic has my vote.
 
ShakeResounding said:
You can't burn somebody from the outside with invincibility and expect it to take him down from the inside. Also, having the same AP as someone's dura who has invincibility doesn't mean much. Invincibility means just that, that you're impervious to attacks at and even beyond your level to a certain extent. Her attacks aren't overpowering his invincibility, which also doesn't have a time limit.

Since she has no reliable way of harming him or putting him down, it's only a matter of time before Sonic uses Void Manipulation from Violet Void to erase her from existence.

Sonic has my vote.
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Dun dun dun dun, thats where you are wrong, sanics invincibility and violet void and all his other abilitys have a time limit, And his violet void does not mean anything if sonic cant touch her in the first place (if you say the blllaacckkk hole will suck her like how she got sucked in the doujinshis, she have fight literal blackholes too and survive) and your argument about his invincibility and thats it i shall counter with her lvl 5 immortality and thats it, she can't die, like at all. The person above can argue with touhou characters could beat her lvl 5 immo but sanic does not know the way.its immposible for him to beat her in that state. If you dare to argue yet again about sanics invis last forever then both immortals would just wait it out until sonic die from old age since sonic is an hedgehog
 
Also, Marisa highly adaptable. The longer the fight, the greater the chance of her mimicking Sonic's techniques or creating spells to exploit his limitations.
 
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Violet Void has a time limit, but that doesn't matter when he can carry up to 99 Violet Void Wisps on his being. And no, surviving a black hole doesn't matter when it's one that has Void Manipulation. Speaking of which...

Immortality Type 5 is bypassed by abilities like Existence Erasure... Which is just one aspect of Void Manipulation. Sonic bypasses her Type 5 Immortality just like that.

And no, the fight will not be lasting forever. Sonic has the means to put her down, which are far more reliable than her creating spells to exploit his limitations considering he has little to none in this state.
 
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Violet Void has a time limit, but that doesn't matter when he can carry up to 99 Violet Void Wisps on his being. And no, surviving a black hole doesn't matter when it's one that has Void Manipulation. Speaking of which...

Immortality Type 5 is bypassed by abilities like Existence Erasure... Which is just one aspect of Void Manipulation. Sonic bypasses her Type 5 Immortality just like that.

And no, the fight will not be lasting forever. Sonic has the means to put her down, which are far more reliable than her creating spells to exploit his limitations considering he has little to none in this state.

You should keep your heads up because you missed the point, sonic can have all the violet void he wants, but that does not change the fact he can't touch her and during his violet phase sonic can't run properly hence it is slower then usual sonic while marisa gains even more distance (going throught wall does not help against someone who is flyi g 24/7). Not only that violet void requires ALOT of hyper go on energy that is limited. During the down time marisa can erase sonic out of existence. If you want to argue yet again he got infinite amount of violet energy and all the things he wanted you are just fanboying at that point.
 
ShakeResounding said:
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Violet Void has a time limit, but that doesn't matter when he can carry up to 99 Violet Void Wisps on his being. And no, surviving a black hole doesn't matter when it's one that has Void Manipulation. Speaking of which...

Immortality Type 5 is bypassed by abilities like Existence Erasure... Which is just one aspect of Void Manipulation. Sonic bypasses her Type 5 Immortality just like that.

And no, the fight will not be lasting forever. Sonic has the means to put her down, which are far more reliable than her creating spells to exploit his limitations considering he has little to none in this state.

and i know you will argue yet again that sonic will have all the void he wants, and here i wanted to ask you something : is there a time where sonic is specificly stated and shown that he have all the power ups he wants at unlimited amount of time? in his games, video, music, author description or anything that resembles him that it is specificly stated that he have all the power ups in the game at unlimited amount. if the author of this page says he will have it then i would agree but he/she/it/apacheheli did not specify that sonic will have all the power ups in the world. meanwhile base marisa allready have it on standby since she don't have to collect any power ups to get stronger (this is shown multiple times during her time as a boss in some stages of the franchise)

and EVEN with all those power ups, does he even have SOMETHING to beat marisas range? because their speed are around the same and one could argue marisa is faster since she is flying all the time without the needs to stopping during her attacks (in touhou fights it is shown that both girls that is battling in danmaku style does not need to stop during their background, shown by the ever moving background and dress flips). if sonic does not have any range counter attacks, how does he will damage her in anyway? void can suck but if marisa allready miles away how does he will suck her. and she WILL know when and how sonic would suck her with her ultramarine elixir/lvl 5 precog cheat.

Please study and learn both sides of the specturm before deciding. i spent alot of time studying sonics power ups and learn it by my self during sonic games (AND I KNOW IN SONIC COLORS ,THOSE BLOODY POWER UPS ARE MORE LIMITED THE THE BRAINS OF MY ONLINE GAME TEAMMATES) to decide all of it.
 
Sonic FRA

Also marisa never used UOE outside LOLK so if she not start with it she probably will not use it
 
Bummel said:
Sonic FRA
Also marisa never used UOE outside LOLK so if she not start with it she probably will not use it
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But she WILL use it if it is needed, for example when fighting lunarians or a blue haxhog,

in the later instalments it weren't needed because of the enemies isnt as threatening, in LOLK they are fighting world destroying lunarians and the army of moon doom vs in Willy beast they are just fighting some earth animal spirits that want a peice of land on the surface world.

but when given the chance she WILL use the elixir to fight a blue haxhog that is clearly a major threat.

even without the elixir sonic still does not have a range counterattack to actually hurt marisa in anyway what so ever and with the existence of time limit on sonics power up he will have his vurnerable moments for marisa to strike. there is no actual way for sonic to beat marisa in any circumstances because of a bad match up in terms of range and sustain (yes the sonic can run forever but he only have secs on his hax capabilities, without his hax he is just a really fast hedgehog that could be analihated with ease)
 
Nonono, I don't think you understand what I was trying to say.

Sonic's Invulnerability isn't from a power-up like base. It's a result of Super Sonic's transformation A.K.A. as long as Sonic is Super Sonic, he's invulnerable to damage. I'm unsure if you think it's from a Power-up, or of you're arguing something else. Also, I never said Violet Void didn't have a time limit. I even admitted to it in my previous post that it did.

Also, to claim Sonic is a "really fast hedgehog that could be analihated with ease" is a gross understatement of his skill within combat. And I think you're overplaying range a but too much. Sonic has several means of using Statistics Amplification to close the distance that she could put between them, rendering that tactic null.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Nonono, I don't think you understand what I was trying to say.

Sonic's Invulnerability isn't from a power-up like base. It's a result of Super Sonic's transformation A.K.A. as long as Sonic is Super Sonic, he's invulnerable to damage. I'm unsure if you think it's from a Power-up, or of you're arguing something else. Also, I never said Violet Void didn't have a time limit. I even admitted to it in my previous post that it did.

Also, to claim Sonic is a "really fast hedgehog that could be analihated with ease" is a gross understatement of his skill within combat. And I think you're overplaying range a but too much. Sonic has several means of using Statistics Amplification to close the distance that she could put between them, rendering that tactic null.
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After he accelerate then what? She WILL dodge that attack and she is not completely vurnerable during melee combat, her melee strenght are compareable to tenshi and suika whom can lift mountains with ease (shown in the fighting game where they legit fight hand to hand) and if he try to violet after dashing marisa also have speed amplification abilities (also shown in the fighting game) that would compared to sonic stat ampi that you boast about. Yeah regular sonic is powefull but against a country destroying witch that bullies gods in spare time he is just a regular hedgehog.

Well im stopping argueing because sonic keeps reminding me of the unspeakable things that i saw in his fandom.... cheers girls
 
Lifting mountains isn't an imptessive feat in this fight, so saying that doesn't really mean anything here. Additionally, being able to destroy a country isn't impressive when not only can her opponent destroy a universe, she can as well. You're boasting of feats that don't matter within this fight. Also, I'm unsure about Marisa, but all it takes is the boost technique to allow Sonic to go faster. Something that he can do indefinitely, if that's what it takes. Couple that with the fact that the Violet Void can grow large enough to swallow an entire air frigate, and you have quite a bit of range with Violet Void alone.

Also the fandom thing is irrelevant. Every fandom has a horrible side that the real fans don't wanna see. Including yours, I bet. Best to leave it at that.
 
ShakeResounding said:
Lifting mountains isn't an imptessive feat in this fight, so saying that doesn't really mean anything here. Additionally, being able to destroy a country isn't impressive when not only can her opponent destroy a universe, she can as well. You're boasting of feats that don't matter within this fight. Also, I'm unsure about Marisa, but all it takes is the boost technique to allow Sonic to go faster. Something that he can do indefinitely, if that's what it takes. Couple that with the fact that the Violet Void can grow large enough to swallow an entire air frigate, and you have quite a bit of range with Violet Void alone.

Also the fandom thing is irrelevant. Every fandom has a horrible side that the real fans don't wanna see. Including yours, I bet. Best to leave it at that.
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Marisa can do her thing infinitly too with the only thing stopping her is the danmaku rules that she will break during her fight with sanic

I saw knuckles using his 4 pointed male staff having a non consensual conception with the severed head of tails while sonic enjoying himself with tails remaining parts in the background
 
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