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Okey vs You're too slow!

Just to make sure everyone has this in mind, Ness's fate hax is 4D due to the TOTU being time and space itself. Well, time to sit back and enjoy.
 
Wait hold up, before we start spamming "Uhhh fate hax gg"

Do note that Sonic can't harm Ness physically and by normal means, meaning this would perhaps give Ness an advantage to use attacks and PSI.

And from Joker vs Sonic, isn't his hax really inconsistent compared to Ness's?
 
Really? Huh. But there aren't too many feats from what I've seen so far.

Can't Ness use his PSI abilities to incap Sonic or something?
 
Hmm, so Sonic does have the power ring..

Thing is, I dunno if it can affect Ness due to his nature. I'm not seeing any wincon here for The Blue Hedgehog just from looking at his profile. If only Avatar Creation was added to Ness's profile so Sonic can deal with him...Man I really need to finish the CRT

For Ness: He has PK Flash (Omega having the higher probability to one shot instantly), Hypnosis to make the opponent fall asleep, Paralysis, Shielding/Attack reflection to defend against Physical attacks, Stat amping (Both offense and Defense), PK Rockin to deal massive damage. Now he does have Nigh Omniscient, Possibly giving him more than he already has. Which by that, I mean granting him other PSI abilities since this is his verse we are talking about, but I digress.

Well I don't really know the AP here and who takes it, I just know that Ness was bestowed Low 2-C abilities and hax by TOTU. He is then able to fight off Sealed Form Giygas and keep up with and harm 1st phase Giygas (until they needed The Player to deal with the situation). So yes, I do see Ness using incap as an option to win.
 
Sonic's fate hax can affect type 4 accasuals, and no, it isn't only defensive, it's that Sonic is always fated to win, he can lose temporarily but that's It, and it causes CIS to opponents or just PIS
 
Wasn't that all discussed in the Joker vs Sonic thread? That it wouldn't protect him from incap? I also don't see "inducing CIS or PIS" happening any time soon for Ness. Especially if he can paralyze or put him to sleep.
 
Fatehax was interpreted poorly in that thread but that's not important rn.User's correct about Sonic's fatehax and it doesn't protect him from incap tho.

Also is Ness's powers magic based?
 
Incap falls into temporaly loss, but Sonic's fate hax makes him fated to win, so anything can happen to make him win, the reasons Joker was winning (which I didn't even vote for him) were because he could temporaly make him lose, but it's not like Sonic can't do anything, and yes, inducing CUS might make Ness not want to use those attacks or not feel them as needed, or just miss, etc.

Will respond to the rest later
 
Incap falls into temporaly loss, but Sonic's fate hax makes him fated to win, so anything can happen to make him win, the reasons Joker was winning (which I didn't even vote for him) were because he could temporaly make him lose, but it's not like Sonic can't do anything, and yes, inducing CUS might make Ness not want to use those attacks or not feel them as needed, or just miss, etc.

Will respond to the rest later
 
He very well could null with the power rings.Usually in charcter when Sonic has the rings he uses them.The whole Power Rings stuff is new to me so sorry if it seems inconsistent.
 
Ness also has the "fated to win" treatment; winning against others no matter what, even if it means getting hurt or dying in a certain situation (at least for The Masked Man, which he most likely got revived, but that's just speculation). This is all thanks to the TOTU. It's for the best outcome. Inducing CIS against a Nigh Omniscient character seems really unlikely considering the most I've seen is that it worked against Scourge, yes? And it wasn't entirely specified that it was a consequence of Fate hax. Are there perhaps any other scans of this? Plus Ness's abilities are activated with a thought, he can most likely pull of Multiple status effects on Sonic before LolPowernull happens.
 
>Sonic's fatehax are inherently stronger because they can affect type 4 accasuals.Also it worked on Mammoth Mogul in his 1st and 2nd Tenure form when he was omnipresent accross the Chaos Force.

>Fatehax inducing CIS on a Nigh Omniscient will effect them.it worked on Mammoth Mogul in his tenure forms as well.Nigh Omniscience doesn't grant resistance to fatehax.

>Power Null also happened with a thought as well as seen with Nate Morgan nulling Ugly Nagus with a thought.

>CIS also makes it difficult for Ness to get off status moves.

>Also is Ness's powers magic based?
 
PSI isn't magic at all unless we use the energy equalization thing.

Even then, Sonic can't really affect Ness normally.

Also responding soon to all that other stuff
 
So you're just going to assume the null would work? PSI isn't described as being magic at all, it's psychic energy; Mental abilities. Isn't the whole energy equalization thing getting revised or something? I dunno. If Energy Equalization is a thing, then I guess it should work? Magic and PSI don't really have the same properties however.

Regarding Fate hax, I'm very well aware it's on a 2-A scale. That was made established many times already. and it's beginning to tick me off I don't really have any true counters to this other than I actually agreed with what Cal had to say about it. It appears that it isn't something that will be truly effective as Sonic can still lose here. This is seen by his battle against Joker. Can you at least provide me with some scans of this fate hax? Because I'm honestly getting really tired with the whole "inducing CIS" stuff, some of it does not make sense at all with what's being provided. The whole "PIS/CIS hax" sounds iffy in general, it's as if it counts as a different ability as a consequence of Fate hax. It's like saying any resistance negating hax is just PIS. But even then, most of the time fate hax is downright being inconsistent and vague from what I've gathered. At least with Ness we actually see his Fate hax being used in combat effectively throughout the journey, even if there are minor stuff that has to be done in order to achieve victory. MM isn't Nigh Omniscient.

Also, is Power Nulling able to affect Ness? He's non corporeal and is one with the universe. That sorta makes most of what Sonic has Muda. While all Ness has to do is just use Hypnosis or whatever PSI abilities to incap Sanic.

And even if it does end up getting through Ness, it isn't killing him or leaving him useless right? I mean, if Ness could also pull off an ability, it would then incap Sonic
 
>Sonic's aura null and power ring null are different.Sonic's aura nulls magic power which if PSI isn't magic it won't be applicable here.The power ring null works regardless of magic.

>It's 100% effective here as it induces CIS onto Ness and prevents Sonic from truly dying.It's not inconsistent as Sonic's never died and in combat scenarios it either affects said opponent or it's unnecessary like when Super Sonic fight Enerjak because Sonic wasn't in danger of dying.The joker thread again misinterpreted Fatehax and was only presented in a defensive way and not offensively.I know MM isn't Nigh Omniscient and I mentioned him because you said you remember it only affecting Scourge.

>Ness will be infected with CIS which will make hitting Sonic hard and since Sonic can't physically harm Ness he would fall back on the rings which can null him.Just how he couldn't physically take down Ugly Nagus and relied on the Power Ring to null him.Also considering Sonic's fatehax are so much stronger it makes Ness's moot.

>Powernull will work on Ness.
 
PSI isn't magic, how does power ring null work and does he open up with it in character.

Induces CIS onto Ness, k cool, how is he inducing it onto TOTU without knowing about it's existence? This is even assuming you can induce CIS onto an omniscient.

Ness gets infected with CIS, and truth snaps him out of it since Sonic didn't apply it to truth nor do the guardians even recognize truth's existence since they think he's merely fighting Ness.
 
>Power Ring null happens on a 2-A scale and removed all powers of Ugly Nagus whom is 2-A and has resistance to null.This is thought based by the way as shown with Nate Morgan nulling Ugly Nagus.

>His Fatehax is passive and affects all variables of the fight Ness can only really win here via incap.Fatehax can work on an omniscient.

>Again it's passive.Also Sonic likely leads with the rings if he has them on his person as seen in the Robotropolis issues.The rings if necessary can grant him intelligence and foresight on his opponent as well.
 
Another thing is if Power bull could even affect Ness at all/4D beings. You simply said "it'll work" with no explanation. The whole "CIS" argument is really starting to get repetitive and fate hax isn't "entirely" superior Ness's. I do believe Ness has more demonstrations of it being effective in battle. I also don't get why it would cancel TOTU's hax, it's still protecting Ness from danger.

Also... Ness can still incap ya know? CIS wouldn't really make the attack miss at all or change Ness's mind about his own decisions.
 
Didn't answer my second question.

Ness' fate hax is passive too, I never once contested Sonic's not being passive, this is red herring. "all variables" is vague, prove it's aware of outside forces. Fatehax can work on an omniscsient, that's not the argument I made that argument I made was CIS can't work on an omniscient. Two completely different things.

Never contested it was Sonic. Scans now.
 
Also now that I've read through Archie Sonic's profiles, has he been shown able to harm non-corporeals in base? It's not on his profile anywhere so he can't even physically touch Ness. I'd also like to know if power ring is thought based or not.
 
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