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Killing Earl: Ikki Kurogane vs Issei Hyoudou

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Ittou Rasetsu makes him 500x stronger and faster, Ise has no way to deal with that.
 
Ok, I asked because in a Toriko vs Jin thead brought up something similar but said the opposite.
 
That's literally the entire point behind Boost and divide, to divide that power and add it to yourself, plus boost amping your strength

Worth noting, guess what, this isn't bloodlusted. Ikki isn't going Ittou Rasetsu off the bat immediately
 
Schnee One said:
That's literally the entire point behind Boost and divide, to divide that power and add it to yourself, plus boost amping your strength
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That's true, but in no world it is dealing with 500x amp that's both on AP and speed, meaning he gets blitzed before it actually becomes useful.

Schnee One said:
Worth noting, guess what, this isn't bloodlusted. Ikki isn't going Ittou Rasetsu off the bat immediately
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How is Ise dealing with Trackless Step then? And Ikki has led with Ittou Rasetsu in character
 
Since when? What stops Issei from doing the same thing with Boost and Divide? Hell he had a win against a 6B when he was High 6C so I highly doubt a boost like that in just AP matters

Ikki lead with it exactly one time because he had literally no other option and even vowed to end the fight with one strike, with Touka agreeing to his vow in terms, so no, he doesn't unless you toss context out.

This is base Ikki, so 7B.
 
Schnee One said:
Since when? What stops Issei from doing the same thing with Boost and Divide?
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When has it ever done so on a 500x scale?

Schnee One said:
Ikki lead with it exactly one time because he had literally no other option and even vowed to end the fight with one strike, with Touka agreeing to his vow in terms, so no, he doesn't unless you toss context out.
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I'm pretty sure this key has showed using Ittou Rasetsu as leading move against a some guy who saw the future or something along those lines. But yeah, it's better to leave it like this.

Schnee One said:
This is base Ikki, so 7B.
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Ok, good to know.
 
Ok, his best shot is an AoE, and I think the only AoE Ise has on this form is Flame Blaze, which he barely uses. At 4km, Ise will most likely lead with Dragon Shot or something like that, which Ikki can easily dodge. Ise still has his Boost, which aren't going to save him for A. He can't see Ikki, although, I don't know if Extrasensory Perception would help B. Ikki can go Ittou Shura because he uses it sooner than later, and Ikki can see that Issei will basically vaporize him if he touches him.
 
Can't Issei just fly off and wait until Ittou Shura or Ittou Rasatsu wear off?

The moment he realize Ikki can't fly, Issei is just gonna stay in the air and spam Dragon Shot. Considering Ittou Shura only last for a minute and Ittou Rasetsu only last for a second.
 
Well i did think of this, and talked about this with BFF. But we agreed that Ikki would most likely win. Technique types are the bane of Issei, and Ikki is the embodiment of technique types. That's why we avoided this. But for now.

Trackless step may not be used right off the bat, true.

Ittou Rasetsu has been used several times, more often than not as an oppening move (against Touka Toudou, Byakuya Jougasaki, Or=Gaule) while being used as a last resort only against Stella in their last battle in SSSAF i believe.

The fireballs and explosions may not be able to do much though. Considering Ikki fought Stella.
 
GoodDaySir said:
Can't Issei just fly off and wait until Ittou Shura or Ittou Rasatsu wear off?

The moment he realize Ikki can't fly, Issei is just gonna stay in the air and spam Dragon Shot. Considering Ittou Shura only last for a minute and Ittou Rasetsu only last for a second.
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No, he can't because he will get blitzed in the instant Ikki activates them. And if Ise just stay in the air and spam Dragon Shot, Ikki can easily dodge them.
 
It'll be hard for ise to fly off after ittou forms have been activated. And if they're not activated then ikki can just keep dodging and deflecting everything until ise runs outta energy. Also ise does like to brawl a lot.
 
Issei is a brawler but he is not the type of charging-head-first type of brawler, he always start by shooting Dragon Shot to judge the opponent and depending on the opponent's reaction, strength, etc, will either go in or stay in safe range.

BxB can last for months while Ittou Shura and Ittou Rasetsu only last for a very short amount time and consume a lot of stamina. Issei is not on the clock, Ikki is and Issei have range and Flight to keep himself away from Ikki.
 
If Ikki decides to go Ittou Rasetsu from the beggining Issei will have no way to escape from that. And if Ikki doesn't and Issei keeps range from Ikki, Ikki can easily dodge and disperse Issei's attacks, and he most likely won't use Ittou Shura/Rasetsu againts someone that is flying and Ikki knos he can't touch.
 
GoodDaySir said:
BxB can last for a months while Ittou Shura and Ittou Rasetsu only last for a very short amount time and consume a lot of stamina. Issei is not on the clock, Ikki is and Issei have range and Flight to keep himself away from Ikki.
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Yes, but if Issei stays out of range, Ikki won't go for Ittou Shura, he's not dumb. After that it becomes a rather unfair battle of stamina. As Ikki could stay for weeks while fighting, being drugged and stuff and still could give it his all, while when it comes to demonic energy Ise is not the best around.

So if Issei flights, eventually he'll close in due to lack of demonic energy, if he doesn't it'll be a close quarters fight, where ikki has a massive skill advantage.
 
Nah, that was a misconception.

His body was stated to amp "Many Hundred" times or "10 times" past ittou shura.
 
Ikki will have to use Ittou Shura almost right away as without it he is simply not strong enough to match Issei and getting hit with Dragon Shot multiple time will be fatal.

Each Dragon Shot have a pretty good AoE, range, and can change it's trejectory to make it hard to dodge. Also it's very unlikely Issei will run out of juice here, remember the Dragon Shot that completely destroy a mountain, is just a normal unboosted Dragon Shot and he did so with little to no effort.

"[You don't need that long. —Look, stick out your hand, and try firing a magic bullet like usual.]

Following Ddraig's instructions, I stuck out my hand and aimed at Koneko-chan's onee-san.

Doh! It fired in an instant! It passed right by onee-san and went far into the forest.

The next moment—. A red flash unfolded.

Doddoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooon!

The roar of an explosion ran from far away, and the blast even reached all the way here!

……Eh? ……What? I couldn't react to this sudden event.

The poison mist was blown away by the blast from the attack and dispersed.

"Hahahaha! It's been a long time since I've seen that red blast! Hyoudou Issei! An entire mountain far away from here completely vanished just now! Also, the barrier covering this area has been blown off as well!""

Ddraig said magic bullet here but Dragon Shot is Issei's version of magic bullet plus Dragon shot is stronger then your average magic bullet anyway.

And if somehow, whatever the cause is, Issei run low on demonic energy, he can just promote to either Bishop and Queen, that or use Boost to increase his demonic energy and basically his stat in general.
 
He is not strong enough. He sure as hell is skilled enough. With Ikki's level of skill he doesn't need to be strong enough to deflect magic shots or beat Ikki in close combat. Ikki could do that against Stella who not only was significantly stronger than him (3 or 4x at least), but also unconsciously stat amps by at least 6x. Making her 24x stronger yet he could still fight her off just fine.

He also beat 4 Ittou Shura clones of his without effort (that's 4 clones all of which had 48x all his stats, or in other words 4 High 7-A clones who were also faster than him), so yeah even with the AP difference.

Blowing a mountain ain't a big deal. Ikki could push through Bahamut Howl, which was a literally omnidirectional attack which had AP higher than Ikki's.

Ise can promote sure, but even then he has a clear limit. He still ain't exactly a "Demonic energy powerhouse" even in those forms. So he would still get tired or understand that they aren't working as he sees them get deflected or reflected back at him.
 
Ikki will still have to use Ittou Shura right away, if not, then a single hit will cripple him.

Cao Cao is one heck of a spear user and had trained his entire live and leave no opening for Issei to exploit, plus he has studied everything about Issei, how his Sacred Gear work, how Issei fight, everything and still Issei manage to land a killing blow.

If Ikki won't activate Ittou Shura right away, the above scenario will likely happen and probably even easier for it to happen because Ikki have no prior knowledge of what Issei can do or how his sacred gear work or the fact that he had a sword.

That blowing mountain thing is still a big deal because it is above Ikki's initial durabilty hence even a single hit is very dangerous.

Even with Ittou Shura or Ittou Rasatsu activated, Issei still have mobility advantage thanks to being able to fly, had the tool necessery to bombard the whole battlefield from the air, and the fact that he will outlast Ikki here. By the time Issei takes flight, Ikki will have no choice but to endure and dodge any incoming attack, remember those attacks can change it's trejectory and have a good AoE.

He may not be "demonic energy powerhouse" but Issei still have more then enough for the job considering even his casual attack is above Ikki's initial durability he is not gonna run out of demonic energy anytime soon.

So overall Issei have every tool he needs to drag the fight and is not in the clock here.
 
No hit will ever get past. Ikki fought people way beyond Ise's skill and AP yet got out unscathed. Ise doesn't stand a chance.

CaoCao is not Ikki. So extreme false equivalency. And even then CaoCao completely overpowered Ise and would've won/killed Ise if Ise didn't have Samael's poison and lacked a way to abuse his arrogance. There is also the fact that CaoCao lost his blessing thing on the True Longinus in that fight. So many things to take into account there.

Omega senses. Ikki knows exactly when danger will come and how to avoid it. He literally saw visions of how he was gonna die against Stella. And again, Ise is not all that skilled hand to hand.
 
No i am not talking about their final fight, I am talking about their fight in Kyoto, If Cao Cao didn't have phoenix tear at the time, he would've done for when Issei cutt off his arm.

Cao Cao is not Ikki yes, but he is still a very skillful fighter who trained his entire live and had prior knowledge of what Issei is capable of plus he is specialize in deflecting and dodging.

Issei being able to handle Cao Cao proves he certainly have a basic idea how to hendle Ikki here especially if Ikki didn't use Ittou Shura right away and if Ikki did use Ittou Shura Issei can simply takes flight and the scenario I mention above will happen.

Issei fight and defeat Cao Cao twice, Kiba, Saji, Sairaorg Beal, Shalba Beelzebub, Barakiel, Thanatos, Vidar, Rizevim, he also would've defeat Dulio if it wasn't because Dulio's team ending the game beore Ise could finish him, Nyx, and he match Vali a prodigy who trained ever since he was a kid.

All those people have years, possibly hundeds or even thausands of years of experience ahead of Ise, have a means to literally one shot him, nullfy his power, some of them is even stronger then him at the time most of them also have prior knowledge of what Issei can do, his strength and weakness, and even his fighting style, etc and yet Issei match and defeat all those people in hand to hand combat by his ingenuity and skill.

Saying Ise is not a very skilled hand to hand fighter, for a lack of better term and sorry if I am sounding rude, I think is very ignorant.
 
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