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Genjutsu vs Kyoka suigetsu which one is better and which one would u rather have
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Kyoka Suigetsu.
Not even an answer, I would all around prefer that always.
Not even an answer, I would all around prefer that always.
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Its mainly the fact that I think Kyoka Suigetsu is far more flexible in its usage, has a ton more potential for subtlety, and it is a constant thing. Once the release happens and without you even needing to know whats all about, your senses are already under control. And you never know when, why, how, to what measure.
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i can give it the harder to break one because its very subtle so u wont know ur senses are bing controlled, but then again something like koto from shisui accomplishes the same thing if not more cuz its also mind control not just sense manip
versatility i gotta go gen because you can start it up via sound sight taste etc
potency also gen because it can kill you lol
versatility i gotta go gen because you can start it up via sound sight taste etc
potency also gen because it can kill you lol
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KS is low level genjutsu.
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Low level genjutsu?
Pfft, since when?
Pfft, since when?
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Since both do the same thing more or less.
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If u wanna talk about more being potent. KS affected someone who can see for who knows how many timelines of futures maybe infinite and still get tricked KS.
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Normal genjutsu user is < KS. But Itachi for instance would be more debatable.
With KS is more easier to pull off and even requires a lot less maintenance, more tricky to break as well since it requires you to touch Aizen's sword.
On the other hand genjutsu is a lot more versatile, it does the same thing KS does, but someone like Itachi can create literal worlds of illusion, KS doesn't even compare to the likes of Tsukuyomi. But you either need to look at his eyes or he has to point at you, although pointing is easy, KS is a lot easier to pull off. There's also the fact that Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi a couple of times before it's too much for him because he doesn't have eternal mangekyou sharingan.
All in all, although the effect they do is basically the same thing, they offer different advantages and disadvantages.
With KS is more easier to pull off and even requires a lot less maintenance, more tricky to break as well since it requires you to touch Aizen's sword.
On the other hand genjutsu is a lot more versatile, it does the same thing KS does, but someone like Itachi can create literal worlds of illusion, KS doesn't even compare to the likes of Tsukuyomi. But you either need to look at his eyes or he has to point at you, although pointing is easy, KS is a lot easier to pull off. There's also the fact that Itachi can only use Tsukuyomi a couple of times before it's too much for him because he doesn't have eternal mangekyou sharingan.
All in all, although the effect they do is basically the same thing, they offer different advantages and disadvantages.
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Og puts it very well. They have strong and weaker points.
But personally, the worlds that you can put someone on with Genjutsu aren't that much of a useful thing for me. Whatever you make the person see, you either get tortured or you get decommisioned, those are the ends towards which Genjutsu is mostly used. Looking someone in the eyes is one thing, not looking at the sword of a swordsman is another.
Worse yet if it affecrs you, that's it. You don't know when it starts, when it happens, what is being affected, where, how, we even see with Yhwach that perception of time can be ****** over and literal future sight gets bambloozed. Despite this there doesn't seem to be any energy shortcomings, no great exhaustion, though granted maybe that's because its Aizen.
But I find it personally much more to my tastes.
But personally, the worlds that you can put someone on with Genjutsu aren't that much of a useful thing for me. Whatever you make the person see, you either get tortured or you get decommisioned, those are the ends towards which Genjutsu is mostly used. Looking someone in the eyes is one thing, not looking at the sword of a swordsman is another.
Worse yet if it affecrs you, that's it. You don't know when it starts, when it happens, what is being affected, where, how, we even see with Yhwach that perception of time can be ****** over and literal future sight gets bambloozed. Despite this there doesn't seem to be any energy shortcomings, no great exhaustion, though granted maybe that's because its Aizen.
But I find it personally much more to my tastes.
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here is my opinion :
both have a relative "illusion power" to completly **** up the opponent. i'm also pretty sure aizen could pull out a tsukuyomi kind of attack as he control all senses , he could just make feel horible pain over and over but he prefer to use more subtle illusions .
Sharingan based genjutsu are really dangerous as it have been demonstrated with itachi and even sasuke. one look in their eyes and boom , if they want you have probably already lost unless someone disrupt your chakra and that's just for the basic genjutsu; i don't think tsukuyomi can be broken as easily , as far as i recall , only sasuke did break out of it mid fight.
but while they are more practical they are also far easier to break out than KS . No one beside maybe yhwach managed to get out of KS even knowing they were under it and it seem to last forever as the vizards were still under it 100 year after their last encounter with aizen. KS seems to also directly affect the soul as full blown shingami/arrancar who are just souls can be affected and can affect the sixth sense to not be able to counter the illusions with "sensing energy"
Genjutsu overall : a bit more practical to use mid fight but more fragile but there is some very potent genjutsu that are more dificult to break
KS : less pratical until the first use( before EoS aizen) , far harder to handle , also affect the senses of the soul including the sixth one.
both have a relative "illusion power" to completly **** up the opponent. i'm also pretty sure aizen could pull out a tsukuyomi kind of attack as he control all senses , he could just make feel horible pain over and over but he prefer to use more subtle illusions .
Sharingan based genjutsu are really dangerous as it have been demonstrated with itachi and even sasuke. one look in their eyes and boom , if they want you have probably already lost unless someone disrupt your chakra and that's just for the basic genjutsu; i don't think tsukuyomi can be broken as easily , as far as i recall , only sasuke did break out of it mid fight.
but while they are more practical they are also far easier to break out than KS . No one beside maybe yhwach managed to get out of KS even knowing they were under it and it seem to last forever as the vizards were still under it 100 year after their last encounter with aizen. KS seems to also directly affect the soul as full blown shingami/arrancar who are just souls can be affected and can affect the sixth sense to not be able to counter the illusions with "sensing energy"
Genjutsu overall : a bit more practical to use mid fight but more fragile but there is some very potent genjutsu that are more dificult to break
KS : less pratical until the first use( before EoS aizen) , far harder to handle , also affect the senses of the soul including the sixth one.
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Oh wait, why do you think Genjutsu are more practical Naeblis? I don't think I fully understood that part.
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never been showned to control people outright no . but he can craft situations where people do as he want under his illusions .
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they just require to look in the eyes , look at a finger while KS require you to look at the sword and aizen to say his release command.LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
in a middle of a fight , i think genjutsu are easier to pull as they require less action generally.
well , that was before EoS aizen where you just have to look in his general direction to be under KS
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Not sure about more difficult. The first time Aizen goes Shikai and you were looking at his sword, that's it.
That thing will stay forever. You don't break out, you just do your best to try and not be fooled... but since Aizen is a bishounen, he fools you anyway.
That thing will stay forever. You don't break out, you just do your best to try and not be fooled... but since Aizen is a bishounen, he fools you anyway.
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i disagree , you just have to disrupt your chakra flow , either by having good control or having a partner doing it for you.Or just have a superior eye jutsu than the opponent.YungManzi said:
KS seems pretty much impossible to break out of , even yhwach with all his crazy hax nullification , fate hax and future manipulation barely managed to break out of it and evne that is not confirmed.
Shinigami all have a spirit inside them akin to a tail beast that could break them out of a genjutsu and yet can't do shit against KS
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i agree with you on most part .LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
but to me just having the opponent to look at your eyes or your finger is easier than pulling out your sword and then say a short sentence .
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"Shinigami all have a spirit inside them akin to a tail beast that could break them out of a genjutsu and yet can't do shit against KS"
I mean, that has more to do with the difference of mechanics.
And personally, I think having to look away from the sword of a swordmaster is a way worse proposition.
I mean, that has more to do with the difference of mechanics.
And personally, I think having to look away from the sword of a swordmaster is a way worse proposition.
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Just saying, unless you are Aizen level strong, ur KS won't be as good nor it can last as long as Aizen's KS. Tokinada is the proof for this and Novel has make this clear that lack of power is a problem for him.
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that was just to point out how easy it is to break out of a genjutsu compared to KS wich seems to have no weakness beside the enormous energy it demand to be maintened and the "holding the blade before casting the illusion"LSirLancelotDuLacl said:
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yup but as aizen is the sole user of KS and can maintain it without effort for a whole fight BEFORE he obtained near limitless stamina thank to the hogyoku , it's not really a factor.MachTwo said:
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But if I had infinity power, I will choose KS for sure, KS become better the more powerful the user are, its not just the potency or range but it will elimitate weakness that previously present on the weaker user as well, who know what can KS do with tier 3 power source back it up.
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i dont think simply having a spirit in them would make them be able to break out of genjutsu, the beast and their host of genjutsu and have been training their sense manip resistance since the academy days so they would know when something is up, iirc not many bleach characters have resistance to sense or mind manip
plus obito put yagura a perfect jin in a genjutsu and itachi was gonna put bee in tskyuomi
plus obito put yagura a perfect jin in a genjutsu and itachi was gonna put bee in tskyuomi
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There's also Kotoamatsukami.
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naruto and bee , rely on their tailed beast to break out of genjutsu iircKidkinsey said:
naruto on his own doesn't have much of a resistance to genjutsu but with kurama he can break out of most of them
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Which of the two can affect a completely blind person?
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I am assuming that I'd be able to use KS at the same level as Aizen.
Simply because otherwise this question leads nowhere. I am not Itachi, I am not gonna pull of super advanced genjutsu with only pointing at people and that are hard as heck to break by merely having a sharingan. Likewise for KS.
And you just need to be smart with KS instead of brute forcing it. Suddenly you aren't you, you are the direct comarade of the dude keeping watch over where Killer Bee is and now he's telling you the information. Control the senses enough and you don't need to give any orders, you just **** with the senses of your victim so much they do exactly what you intend them to do.
More technicality but the end result is hardly gonna be different.
Simply because otherwise this question leads nowhere. I am not Itachi, I am not gonna pull of super advanced genjutsu with only pointing at people and that are hard as heck to break by merely having a sharingan. Likewise for KS.
And you just need to be smart with KS instead of brute forcing it. Suddenly you aren't you, you are the direct comarade of the dude keeping watch over where Killer Bee is and now he's telling you the information. Control the senses enough and you don't need to give any orders, you just **** with the senses of your victim so much they do exactly what you intend them to do.
More technicality but the end result is hardly gonna be different.
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