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Lucifer Morningstar VS The Thought Robot

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Lucifer still stomps. TR is pretty far into 1-A but Lucifer should scale above him since him and Michael were described to be the strongest creations of The Presence.
 
you know, in the comic dax novu is stated to have wrestled the angel of contaminant and sealed the beast of darkness, i heard that this mean't lucifer and the great darkness respectively, anyone's"THOUGHTS"?
 
its literally a story made up by the monitors as a way from protecting themselves from the truth, the angel of contamination was dax himself and beast was mandrakk

By the way, Lucifer > Destiny > Monitor Sphere as shown in the DC map
 
Anyway ThePrinceOfTheMorning will not do a revision thread on Lucifer as it did for Darkseid and the Monitors, Thought Robot, etc.? We will surely know more .
 
Hykuu said:
its literally a story made up by the monitors as a way from protecting themselves from the truth, the angel of contamination was dax himself and beast was mandrakk
By the way, Lucifer > Destiny > Monitor Sphere as shown in the DC map
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i'm ok with the beast being mandrakk, but the angel being dax is wrong or else he wrestled himself, how?
 
@Lord I literally talked with him about it on discord and he said he doesn't know why everyone thinks hes making a lucifer revision, because he doesn't remember enough about lucifer at all

@last I told you, the story itself is inconsistent due to the monitors making it up, Dax got contaminated after entering the multiverse, which showed the monitors true nature as being essentially cosmic vampires feeding on stories, which is why they sealed dax and made up the story that Dax died in order to seal the contaminated monitor, rather than him being the contaminated one.
 
In the words of Matt, the 3 Monitor brothers, Thought Robot, and Mandrakk are all "way above baseline, but unquantifiably so".
 
Lucifer >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Thought Robot. It has been said that Lucifer was the most powerful creation of God, and even Michael has been declared as the most powerful servants of God.

The Judges Of The Source are creations and servants of God. God and The Source are the same entities, as Grant Morrison says, and in the comics the Specter has already identified The Source as God and HighFather and Darkseid have already said that The Source was the God of The Specter.


Raptor (a subordinate of the Judges of the Source) easily locked Perpetua without her being able to do anything.


And even if you still believe that The Source is an aspect of The Presence it will not change anything in scaling
 
And Thought Robot must not be far from Perpetua's level. Not to mention that the Overvoid and God are also the same entities according to Grant Morrison, but seen differently according to the belief systems.

God = Abrahamic religions

The Source = New Gods and Gods

Overvoid = Monitors


So Thought Robot is a creation of God
 
The superman adapting thing is completely disregarded due to it operating within NLF system

him using perhaps means what? Zauriel said the presence was perhaps in hell, doesn't disregard the statement, lolol, he even literally calls lucifer the presence's finest creation.

Again, that would also be mostly nitpicking, mandrakk was a threat to all creation and is arguably above all creation, nice, the silver city was stated to view creation as a child's toy, predating creation itself aswell, within all its inhabitants predating creation aswell of course. Then you have destiny's book governing both the silver city and the monitor sphere (vertigo silver city, not the shitty DC one) and Lucifer has been consistently shown to be beyond his function, which CAS is explicitly bound by, regardless of how you look at it, and when he escaped his own function there is a guidebook statement of Lucifer treating him as some sort of an equal.

Nothing is stopping CAS from escaping from sealing potent enough to seal death of the endless.

Also, lucifer's profile has him transcending death and destiny, good luck INTERACTING with a being beyond all cause and effect, or KILLING someone above the verse' immutable concept of death
 
Hykuu said:
The superman adapting thing is completely disregarded due to it operating within NLF system
him using perhaps means what? Zauriel said the presence was perhaps in hell, doesn't disregard the statement, lolol, he even literally calls lucifer the presence's finest creation.

Again, that would also be mostly nitpicking, mandrakk was a threat to all creation and is arguably above all creation, nice, the silver city was stated to view creation as a child's toy, predating creation itself aswell, within all its inhabitants predating creation aswell of course. Then you have destiny's book governing both the silver city and the monitor sphere (vertigo silver city, not the shitty DC one) and Lucifer has been consistently shown to be beyond his function, which CAS is explicitly bound by, regardless of how you look at it, and when he escaped his own function there is a guidebook statement of Lucifer treating him as some sort of an equal.

Nothing is stopping CAS from escaping from sealing potent enough to seal death of the endless.

Also, lucifer's profile has him transcending death and destiny, good luck INTERACTING with a being beyond all cause and effect, or KILLING someone above the verse' immutable concept of death
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Expect Lucifer isn't beyond death or destiny, this is just straight up bullshit. The reason Death didn't claim him was because he wasn't dead yet. Even when he "omg burned the pages" of Destinys book he still was bound by destiny.

Lucifer was never beyond destiny at all. And for a being that is supposed to be outside of time, he sure is hindered by time a lot.
 
Lucifer is only bound by destiny book inside god's creation and he is completely uneffected by it outside of it and death outright admitted about lucifer killing her . Only Lucifer has shown manipulate and survive the explosion of demiurgic power which has power to destroy and create everything all the creation and empowered elaine making her the god . Thought robot was severely damaged by mandrak and died at the end of the story . There is nothing in TR 's arsenal to hurt Lucifer let alone beat him .
 
AndrewBennet said:
Lucifer is only bound by destiny book inside god's creation and he is completely uneffected by it outside of it and death outright admitted about lucifer killing her . Only Lucifer has shown manipulate and survive the explosion of demiurgic power which has power to destroy and create everything all the creation and empowered elaine making her the god . Thought robot was severely damaged by mandrak and died at the end of the story . There is nothing in TR 's arsenal to hurt Lucifer let alone beat him .
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No ******* bullshit, even Lucifer himsef later on said that everything will cease to exist at the end, which also includes him.

God I hate this character.
 
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