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i'm ok with the beast being mandrakk, but the angel being dax is wrong or else he wrestled himself, how?Hykuu said:its literally a story made up by the monitors as a way from protecting themselves from the truth, the angel of contamination was dax himself and beast was mandrakk
By the way, Lucifer > Destiny > Monitor Sphere as shown in the DC map
What makes you say that?LordUrien935 said:Lucifer still stomps. TR is pretty far into 1-A but Lucifer should scale above him since him and Michael were described to be the strongest creations of The Presence.
Huesito88 said:Is Thought Robot a creation of the Presence?
He uses "perhaps".LordUrien935 said:
This.UsernameMan12 said:Superman wins, he adapts to Lucifer because he always saves the day no matter what. The concept of heroism is what binds the DCverse together. Lucy is nothing, but another character in a story that Superman adapts to, grows stronger than and wins.He uses "perhaps".LordUrien935 said:
And why is that so? Please show me scans of Lucifer one shotting a being like Thought Robot.LordUrien935 said:Yeah but Thought Robot literally died after his fight with Mandrakk. Lucifer would easily one-shot him at full power.
Expect Lucifer isn't beyond death or destiny, this is just straight up bullshit. The reason Death didn't claim him was because he wasn't dead yet. Even when he "omg burned the pages" of Destinys book he still was bound by destiny.Hykuu said:The superman adapting thing is completely disregarded due to it operating within NLF system
him using perhaps means what? Zauriel said the presence was perhaps in hell, doesn't disregard the statement, lolol, he even literally calls lucifer the presence's finest creation.
Again, that would also be mostly nitpicking, mandrakk was a threat to all creation and is arguably above all creation, nice, the silver city was stated to view creation as a child's toy, predating creation itself aswell, within all its inhabitants predating creation aswell of course. Then you have destiny's book governing both the silver city and the monitor sphere (vertigo silver city, not the shitty DC one) and Lucifer has been consistently shown to be beyond his function, which CAS is explicitly bound by, regardless of how you look at it, and when he escaped his own function there is a guidebook statement of Lucifer treating him as some sort of an equal.
Nothing is stopping CAS from escaping from sealing potent enough to seal death of the endless.
Also, lucifer's profile has him transcending death and destiny, good luck INTERACTING with a being beyond all cause and effect, or KILLING someone above the verse' immutable concept of death
Yeah no sorry, you gotta show use some scans for that.AndrewBennet said:Lucifer is actually the great evil beast reincarnation as explained in the current ru
Dude , Go read the comic . I owe you nothingDarkHunter89 said:Yeah no sorry, you gotta show use some scans for that.AndrewBennet said:Lucifer is actually the great evil beast reincarnation as explained in the current ru
And what were the Logos feats?LordUrien935 said:Lucifer one-shot the Logoz which is the Word of God. If he can do that, he can certainly one-shot TR.
No ******* bullshit, even Lucifer himsef later on said that everything will cease to exist at the end, which also includes him.AndrewBennet said:Lucifer is only bound by destiny book inside god's creation and he is completely uneffected by it outside of it and death outright admitted about lucifer killing her . Only Lucifer has shown manipulate and survive the explosion of demiurgic power which has power to destroy and create everything all the creation and empowered elaine making her the god . Thought robot was severely damaged by mandrak and died at the end of the story . There is nothing in TR 's arsenal to hurt Lucifer let alone beat him .