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Rimuru Tempest Tier - Possibly 2-A

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I'm here to suggest a Rimuru Tempest tier upgrade to 2A or "2B Possibly Higher".

In WN after stories Rimuru gets the Mobius System. An infinitely generating source of Primordial Energy (Turn Null) able to destroy the whole universe. Here's a brief explanation:

"Infinite institution Mobius System- It is a system of dreams created by genius scientist Almubain.

Continue to produce energy permanently in an endless cycle by a theory different from the nucleus."

ÒÇÇ"But, What is Mobius System?

ÒÇÇWhat kind of joke is a black hole like a power reactor?

ÒÇÇI do not understand what it means.

ÒÇÇIs the scientific power of this world so terrible?

ÒÇÇI mean, how do you do that with energy -

"That is, in one kind of phase conversion power reactor -"

ÒÇÇBriefly, easy to understand, please briefly.

"... .... Simply put,Gravity Collapse It is a mechanism that utilizes the phenomenon that when the substance falls into it, its mass is reduced to energy. twoTorus'torus'It seems that it was thought that mutual interference interferes with using, and in theory it can generate energy indefinitely. However it is far from perfect, it seems that it is a dangerous and extreme substitute "

Ciel's explanation is difficult.

Sure enough, it was a brief explanation, but I understood somehow.

In other words, it was an unfinished item.

The engine is not perfect, the engine has runaway and it got in the present state - it is enough if you can understand it.

If this continues to runaway with the scale expanded as it is, it will swallow this universe.

If so, will it affect other dimensions?

"No, it does not affect other dimensions. Only this universe loses its growth rate and it only results in zero " "it's simple. To put it this way, Gluttonous King Beelzebub It is a phenomenon similar to. Energy dissipation to minus, not energy release to plus is a problem. However, the action is the same. Since energy has direction, it would be fine if you manipulate it - "

"It's a supposition, but My Skill Gluttonous King Beelzebub If it was runaway, I think it will be like it is now.

So, I can understand how to deal with it.

Whether it is expansion or disappearance, force has direction. There is a flow in energy, so stop the flow.

In other words, it is time stop.

If we stop the time, the negative energy that continues to expand also stops."


This system not only can generate infinite amount of energy that removed the weakness of Turn Null being limited. It's also compared to a "berserk" King Beelzebub. Yuuki's King Beelzebub was going to devour Diablo, Velgryind, Velzard, Guy, Milim and Ramiris strongest attacks making it a Low 2-C skill (already updated)

Now... the tier:

Rimuru at the end of the series had enough Turn Null to be able to recreate the world tens of thousands of times. People assumed this as a multiversal feat probably referring "world" as the entirety of TSSDK multiverse. So recreating tens of thousands of multiverses. Solid 2B feat. BUT then even the universe that was being swallowed by Mobius System should be counted as a multiverse (baseline) making Mobius System a multiversal energy.

We already said Mobius is infinite and Rimuru imaginary space is Infinite as well. Removing the weakness of Limited Turn Null would remove Rimuru "tens of thousands worlds" cap leading it as a Possibly 2A Tier

2A tier definitio
from WIKIA Page: Characters who can destroy and/or create a countably infinite number of 4-dimensional universal space-time continuums.

In conclusion:

Mobius System
allows Rimuru to bust universes one after another Infinitely (it's infinite after all) + Turn Null allows him to bust multiple universes at the same time (limited weakness was removed) + Infinite mana (with bread reactor) + Infinite imaginary space. Rimuru is POSSIBLY ABLE to bust an infinite number of space time continuums.

Suggestions: New Key | After Stories

New Tier | 2-B possibly 2-A with Mobius System
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Can we wait until the after-stories are translated though?
...changes have already been made by Elizhaa (the weakness one). It's safe to assume translations are okay
 
Theres no 2-A feat here. Being able to INDEFINITELY create universes doesnt mean you can create an infinite number of universe. Infinity is not a number, you cant just reach infinity by creating one universe after another, you wont reach it even if you continue to create universes forever. An infinite space doesnt equal infinite universe. Universes are condidered to have infinite space unless stated/shown otherwise
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
They're not even done. The only reason this one was okay was because this one and only particular scan is translated by GinSan.
Elizhaa already removed the weakness stuff. So it's safe... Im basing on that translation as you see. If it's cool for one change it can be used to propone other changes as well
 
TArclight said:
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Can we wait until the after-stories are translated though?
...changes have already been made by Elizhaa (the weakness one). It's safe to assume translations are okay
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
They're not even done. The only reason this one was okay was because this one and only particular scan is translated by GinSan.
I mean it was translated by GinSan: https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/3024951#3


My thread was reliant on the accepted translations by GinSan and your past thread, @Milly. We could concluded the feat was, Tier Low 2-C at best.
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Nowhere does it state infinite universes.

Rimuru is just 2-B.
Read the whole post again. None said it said infinite universes. But can bust infinite universes without limitation of turn null weakness since his energy is infinite. Read it again
 
I fixed what I meant.

Thats where i copied and pasted Mobius System definition from so it's still valid.. What you trying to say? ƒæÇ
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Nowhere does it state infinite universes.

Rimuru is just 2-B.
If you consider rimuru 2B cause of the multiverse recreation then Mobius System universe destruction shpuld be a baseline multiverse too. Again read the whole post again lol or prove Rimuru can recreate thousands of worlds at the same time and not one after another (2-C). My point still stands.
 
TArclight said:
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Nowhere does it state infinite universes.

Rimuru is just 2-B.
Read the whole post again. None said it said infinite universes. But can bust infinite universes without limitation of turn null weakness since his energy is infinite. Read it again
I will say it again.

Having infinite energy does not mean it would boost/affect Attack Potency. So, I would have to disagree to this AP Upgrade too no matter how much I like the series.
 
Read the whole post again. None said it said infinite universes. But can bust infinite universes without limitation of turn null weakness since his energy is infinite. Read it again

Being tier 2 is already beyond the default for having infinite power (High 3-A).

If the number of universes isn't infinite then there's no 2-A feat.
 
Being tier 2 is already beyond the default for having infinite power (High 3-A).

If the number of universes isn't infinite then there's no 2-A feat.

It's actually simplest logic lol The moment you remove turn null cap and make it infinite then Rimuru is POSSIBLY able to bust INFINITE universes lol

If limited turn null = tens of thousands..... infinite turn null = infinite universes

Thats 2-A no matter how hard you try denying it.
 
In vSbattles theres the Key of POSSIBLY, AT LEAST OR LIKELY higher. Rimuru is clearly way higher than 2-B lol. You made turn null infinite. Its possibly 2A by wikia definition. I agree with OP.

Bump.
 
He has INFINITE turn Null, INFINITE mana, INFINITE space.. But you saying he can't possibly bust Infinite universes. Lol that sounds dumb actually. If not 2-A key, then it's an AT LEAST 2-B key. No matter how you look at it Rimuru tier needs an upgrade
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
No it isn't. Show scans of the multiverse being infinite or he's not 2-A.
And you show scans of the multiverse being finite. We wait. Multiverse branches were created by Humanity different choices and paths. This is a multiverse created from possibilities. That should explain why Rimuru skills work even on Mikami Satoru. Cause the universe created by Veldanava was one that branched into an indefinite numbers of multiverses born from choices and possibilities... But you assuming the multiverse is finite. Show us the proof
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
No it isn't. Show scans of the multiverse being infinite or he's not 2-A.
And none saying he IS 2-A but POSSIBLY 2-A or AT LEAST 2-B... Do you read the comments and the posts or what? Lol INFINITE TURN NULL = POSSIBLY INFINITE MULTIVERSE BUSTING since he wont ever run out of energy. It's not that hard to understand tbh it's like if rimuru stayed at the end of space time for an infinite amount of time, turn null would've fueled infinitely, infinitely upgrading his tier. But he capped at tens of thousands. That restriction was removed.. So...
 
@KTouma545 I don't have to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to provide scans of it being infinite. What you described is still 2-B.
 
From what I read, this isn't 2-A.

Firstly you can't reache another tier in tier 2 via Multiplier (that's why Bobobo isn't 2-A via being infinitely stronger than a 2-B and DB would be 2-B with this logic)

Secondly having an infinite Energy don't suddenly allow you to create infinite Multiverse, if not all Low 2-C and 2-C are 2-A because they have infinite energy and can create Universes

Without an Infinite Multiverse, you can't be 2-A how matter you try sadly.
 
I have said even if afterstory is fully translated Rimuru Will remains 2B, Mobius system can only destroy universe one by one not at the same time, i know that Mobius system isnt perfect at that time and then after Rimuru Absorbs it he perfected the system and the end, there is no explanation for perfect mobius system, yes he can make infinite turn Null with that but since in the series it was never explained 2A Rimuru Will be just be a mere speculation
 
yep , hence we have no choice but to wait for light novel . there are too many unknown stuff in wn . so many unknown mumbo jumbo.. it feels like reading overlord lol
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
@KTouma545 I don't have to prove a negative. The burden of proof is on you to provide scans of it being infinite. What you described is still 2-B.
Not really. Read the definition of tier 2-A again. The burden of proof is on you to prove the 2-B tier, cause what I've described is nowhere near what's written on Rimuru current profile for 2-B explanation. You need to proove Rimuru can create them all at the same time or it's still a 2-C feat. Now you taking my explanation with Mobius System as the 2-B explanation, but Mobius wasnt there when you wrote 2-B on the profile. So it's you who needs to prove the claim without Mobius.


Its true mobius can destroy one universe at time,in fact the post clearly states (2-C already updated). What we're talking about is infinite Turn Null. And y'all need to understand the meaning of "possibly 2-A"...since infinite Turn Null is like Rimuru staying at the end of space Time for infinite amount of time, making him a potential 2-A character. None said HE IS a 2-A,but potentially he can be. That's what "possibly" means. The Possibly key already exists so still legit.

Any 2-B characters with infinite energy (nor stamina) can't be 2-A depends of the energy. Cause Rimuru infinite Mana doesnt make him a potential 2-A since mana CANT bust universes. Infinite never ending Turn Null makes him a potential 2-A. At least Way Higher than 2-B

Suggestion: Tier | unknown with Mobius (so we'll be happy together)

Definetly not a 2-B anymore.
 
I know what 2-A is. 2-A is busing infinite universes which Rimuru hasn't done.

The multiverse isn't stated to have infinite universes, so he is just 2-B.
 
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I wonder why for Naruto is right the "at least low 5B" (which doesn't make any sense to begin with) or the "unknown" tier, when Rimuru has everything infinite but you still count him as a finite dude lmao that's the biggest lowball ever seen.

Possibly 2-A..... At least 2-B, likely higher..... Unknown..... All are pretty solid. Cause if turn null never runs out, he potentially be recreating infinite universes. At the same time or a single one is on you who needs to prove the 2-B claim. If you apply that for 2-B you apply that for infinite null as well.

Bump
 
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I also wonder how Kaguya "At least" and "Higher" were accepted as just "increases her stats exponentially" but Rimuru's turn null becoming literally Infinite (clearly an xponential increase) is making such a fuss lmao
 
Sandman31 said:
Theres no 2-A feat here. Being able to INDEFINITELY create universes doesnt mean you can create an infinite number of universe. Infinity is not a number, you cant just reach infinity by creating one universe after another, you wont reach it even if you continue to create universes forever. An infinite space doesnt equal infinite universe. Universes are condidered to have infinite space unless stated/shown otherwise
Agreed. We should probably close this thread.
 
Before we close this I want to ask, will this at least buff Rimuru in AP? Or is this just a whole big flop?
 
ShadowWarrior1999 said:
Yeah it should be closed. There is no evidence for 2-A and KTouma545 just keeps repeating debunked arguments.
Cause you debunked nothing and none said he's 2-A... Learn how to read... And you still aint explained how he's 2-B...
 
MYHERO said:
Before we close this I want to ask, will this at least buff Rimuru in AP? Or is this just a whole big flop?
Thats exactly what the whole thread is about, but they said they have debunked lol... Rimuru AP needs an upgrade. "at least 2-B, higher with Mobius"... Easy af since Kaguya got the "higher" from Exponential stats growth. So will Rimuru. They aint debunked shit and gave no scan at all lmao used my explanation to explain their 2-B. Looool
 
Agreed. We should probably close this thread.

So cause you and your friend agree you should close the thread? Lmao give the scans i asked first then you can close it. I wait. This is not how a discussion work. If you wanna run away then run. None forcing you to debate. But seems you wanna close this asap cause you have no scans at all to explain the 2-B in a different way of how i explained the Mobius as well. Run Barry run
 
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