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--- This is a bad thing, Veldora thought.

ÒÇÇIt is not impossible to cancel the energy that leaks out, but it is difficult to stop the sucking power.

ÒÇÇGravity Collapse If it is satisfied until it is satisfied, it will be saturated and the state will be stabilized. But that is Gbravity Collapser If there were only one, it was a story.

ÒÇÇIn the eyes of Veldora, there are two Gravity Collapse could see.

ÒÇÇOne of the substances that one inhales is released as pure energy.

ÒÇÇIt is greedy, that is, having a 'gasbag' that never gets filled Beelzebub was a figure like ....


"-Because it looks like the power of Rimuru?"

"That's right."


ÒÇÇRamiris came to the answer, and Verdura said it was the correct answer.


"What do you do? As it is, everyone ..."


ÒÇÇAs Ramiris said, Veldora does not answer immediately.

ÒÇÇIf Veldora really tries to neutralize it, it will earn considerable time.

ÒÇÇHowever, other means, such as "sequestration" by barriers, have been difficult to curb energy of this magnitude.

ÒÇÇEventually the world will be ruined.

ÒÇÇAfter all, the digit is different.

ÒÇÇIt's good now, but if you leave it as it is it is enough to swallow this universe.


"I can not help you .... I will not proceed, but I will try to suppress it with my spirits."

"Are you okay?"

"I have nothing to do."

Veldora tank it Via His Aura and use probability manip to support it
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So, I am proposing for:

Rimuru Tempest (Web Novel)
So, the rating for his Awakened Demon Lord, I see, are:

At least 6-A, High 4-C with the summoning of Veldora Tempest, Varies from At least 6-A to Low 2-Cwith Beelzebub.


High 4-C, Varies from High 4-C to Low 2-C with Void God Azathoth

Something that I know about; Veldora is part of Rimuru's Ultimate Skills which basically is summoning starting from At least 6-A, the only reason why I never thought alongside earlier was that their soul corridor was disrupted by the empire. Otherwise, Veldora was viable as help in Wars during his summoning.

Void God Azathoth is made of up Beelzebub and other skills. Like other skills, while Rimuru may lose some skills, he overall still keep the original effects of the abilities as they integrated into better skills and sometimes get better effects like Getting Multiple Existence from Parallel existence and others.

If the tier rating disagreed on, I think the Veldora Tempest summoning tiering at High 4-C is still valid for Awakened Demon Lord Rimuru.

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Which more or less translates to:


"The infinite Mobius system-a dream system created by genius scientist Almsvein.

With a theory different from nuclear, we continue to produce energy permanently in endless cycles.

Human dreams and all energy problems are solved. "

"... In a nutshell, it is a mechanism that utilizes the phenomenon that the mass is reduced to energy when the substance falls into the gravity vortex collapsor. By using two toroids, they interfere with each other, the theory you probably thought that the above could generate energy infinitely, but it is far from perfect and it seems to be a dangerous and dangerous item.


"If you think that growth rate = transition of time, when the expansive power disappears from this universe, the concept of time also disappears.

If expansion of the universe is positive energy, it can be said that the phenomenon occurring in front of you is negative energy. Negative energy is special and not of a nature that can be protected.

Veldora is not affected by almost all interference waves.

That means that "probability operation" is all-purpose.

Even if this was an attack from an enemy, it would not have passed.

Even if the world is destroyed, Veldora can move to other dimensions without being affected. "

But the reason this matters is because world=universe in this context:

"It's dangerous. This is too much power in the hands of people. If it makes a mistake, even this universe will collapse..."

"Hey, this is what it is?!! You, what on earth are you going to destroy the world for a while in my week when I was out !?"
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4-D Ultimates Skills/Haxes
I think cases proof at least that Veldora can survive the initial destruction due to probability hax, he is just there afterward, and it could just be again him manipulating probability why he could be in the void where the the concept of time also disappears.

From I have seen you might be able to prove 4-D ultimate skills since Veldora's Probability Manipulation comes from his Ultimate Skill.

I think it could also prove resistance to Concept Manipulation since Time is a Type 3 concept, I am still neutral on the point.
 
Brief thoughts then leaving.

Rimuru could absorb Velgrynd's attacks so the range of potency for Beelzebub should be High 4-C to Low 2-C.

Still disagree with 4-D hax, the evidence so far comes from the characters acausality being 4-D, as i said before just cause one aspect of the ability is 4-D doesn't mean all is, we need proof of that.

As for Veldora, this is a Veldora decades into the future, we shouldn't retroarctively scale ppl to him, he should get another key which is "Afterstories" which will have his resistances and 4-D probability hax.

The rating should be Unknown, At least High 4-C, Low 2-C with Probability Manipulation, something like that.

This also means i don't agree with scaling Veldora's resistances to PTD Rimuru, cause agin this is obviously a stronger Veldora.

And with that i am gone, up to you guys to decide what you want to do.
 
I agree with everything but the 4-D hax. I believe that the fact that Ultimate Skills are capable on working on other Ultimate Skills, which are the reason that broke them free of the timeloop is why I believe they're 4-D.

Veldora should get an Afterstories key, and a Low 2-C with Probability Manipulation key.
 
@Celestial Pegasus, noted. I am fine with your conclusions.
 
But come on... at least Velzard's Space-Time Attack should be 4D. I mean what? A space-time-based ability that's part of an Ultimate Skill that's part of not only the Cthulu series but the GOD Cthulu series can't possibly be infinitely inferior to the Unique Skill Time Leap. That's a bit too much of an inconsistency to bear just to "ensure a lowball".
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
So Ultimate Skills aren't 4-D?
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There might not be enough evidences to proved 4-D, but it there is enough evidences to proved the characters acausality being 4-D.
 
"That was done at an accelerated pace, because if I slowed down against the "Storm Dragon", it would be fatal. If this was Veldora, he probably would have been able to immediately respond. But, since the dominated being was only the "Storm Dragon", it didn't have the corresponding reaction speed. In the first place, if Veldora was the opponent, I wouldn't even be able to even get a hold of him. This being was only able to act in accordance to its programming. Once I understood this, it was no longer a threat.

(Now then, let's end this! I wouldn't forgive you (Bastard) for calling yourself my cherished "Storm Dragon". Devour, Gluttony King Beelzebub!!)"

My reason to scale this to PTD Rimuru is Veldora once already faced Beelzebub, since Rimuru said he cant absorbs him if it was "Veldora" but since it only "Storm Dragon" he can, so i think there is almost no difference between Afterstory Veldora and Veldora when he fought Rimuru. So i think it should scale to PTD Rimuru
 
@GLHF22, there is likely a difference between Veldora afterstories and WN because he was battle focused to training from Rimuru's maga stories to try to becoming stronger. So, most likely, he is much stronger than before from training years after.
 
Elizhaa said:
@GLHF22, there is likely a difference between Veldora afterstories and WN because he was battle focused to training from Rimuru's maga stories to try to becoming stronger. So, most likely, he is much stronger than before from training years after.
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I know he is stronger but atleast he already had His Resistance before afterstory, since Rimuru stated Beelzebub cant absorbs him
 
GLHF22 said:
Elizhaa said:
@GLHF22, there is likely a difference between Veldora afterstories and WN because he was battle focused to training from Rimuru's maga stories to try to becoming stronger. So, most likely, he is much stronger than before from training years after.
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I know he is stronger but atleast he already had His Resistance before afterstory, since Rimuru stated Beelzebub cant absorbs him
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Veldora already has resistance to Absorption.

When RImuru said the statement about the absorption, he likely meant could not absorb Veldora if he was not mind controlled as Vedlora would have try harder and have more awarness to make sure Rimuru could not absorbed him.

I am neutral about the Conceptual Manipulation resistance but, in any case, it need an Administrator or Discussion Moderator's agreement.
 
I think we are agree about Beelzebub being comparable to mobius system, mobius system can swallow Universe Along with concepts within it, and it was stated Multiple time by different character its comparable to Beelzebub so i think Resistance to Absorption is not enough to survive from Rimuru Beelzebub even AE type 2 cant do a thing to that so you also need Resistance to Concept Manip to survive from Beelzebub
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Souldn't Yuuki get a Low 2-C key, also?
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Yeah, same as Rimuru since he should have alll skills, except Turn Null, in my view.
 
Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Should it be just a Low 2-C key, or should the High 3-A be there?
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Milly Rocking Bandit said:
Also, this gives them conceptual manipulation if it eats the concept of time.
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I am neutral but can lean with a yes if there are more supporting arguments.
 
Yuuki's actaully get all skills with his '''With Veldanava's Power''' key so I updated the page
 
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