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Ness vs Nessa

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Okey, so Nessa can actually hit and harm Ness. Great.

Is she baseline Low 2-C? Hypnosis can't work on her due to Limitless stamina, but Paralysis, PK Flash, and PK Rockin should be capable of doing damage to her. Low Godly regen is something I don't see Ness bypassing, so his only chance of victory is through incapacitation, which thankfully some of Ness's abilities should be able to cover. Nessa can't really kill Ness because Lolfatehax.

What can she do to counter most of these?
 
I did post some sort of argument, but I can't really cast a vote if I don't know anything about the other.
 
Paralysis won't workbecause Nessa is not a physical being, numbness and crying should not really be strong enough to combat Nessa's empathic manipulation, and instant death will fail horribly because of Nessa's resistence. I don't see how Rockpin will do anything.
 
Lol what. Ness has non physical interaction, it will work. Trust me, read his profile because I have the suspicion that you didn't check any of his abilities and simply came to the conclusion that nothing will work. His PSI abilities are capable of affecting both non-physical/incorporeal beings such as Ghost and spirits. And also non-sentient beings, even an abstract entity that embodies evil itself. Oh and guess what, this applies to his physical attacks too. Empathic Manipulation doesn't sound too impressive, and even then, Ness should resist just fine. Though it could most likely get rid of the uncontrollable crying status effect. Numbness should work just fine, I don't know how you got the idea of Empathy manip being able to combat numbness. I don't see any resistance on Nessa's page that could resist status effect inducement

And if you're referring to one of PK Flash's major trait, that is OHK (which no longer is a thing by the way) being Death Manipulation, it isn't, it's just really powerful Light Manipulation. If she legit doesn't have Resistance, then it will work.

Rockin is just an offense PSI attack that deals major damage, I see it helping in a battle greatly.

Of course, i don't think he'll be able to bypass Low Godly, but there is the mother and glory Fate hax that basically assures his victory in battles. If he gets incap/dies, he treats it as a "bad dream"
 
Numbness might have an effect, but I don't see how it would really be that powerful. Nessa has other ways of interacting with objects other then touching them. She has literally experianced all of time, and should know almost everything Ness can do.

Also, she has completely broken conceptual manipulation. It is completely normal for Valar to control such concepts as death, space, and all of time like it is nothing. Ness has no conceptual manipulation, nor resistence to it, and would be nuked by Nessa just singing him out of existence.

The Valar are beings of light; Nessa should be able to at least tank light manipulation just fine.

Ness might be protected by the "Truth of the Universe," but Nessa has Eru giving her immortality.
 
It should be able to effect her, it would just restrict her of physical movement and stuff like that. Could you perhaps elaborate more on "knowing everything"? The kid is near omniscient, but of course it ain't useful in combat because he only stuff from his own verse, but I'm just saying. Are you saying that she has more experience than Ness or experienced more than Ness? Please elaborate more on that.

That's true, Ness doesn't resist concept manipulation. However, he has a counter, Passive Fate Manipulation and PSI. Since you said she could "sing" Ness out of existence, he could most likely prevent this by using Paralysis or PK Flash so she is left completely useless of physical movement and attacks. Passive Fate hax basically protects him from danger and assures his victory in other timelines thanks to the TOTU as I said before.

It's the status effect that might mess her up big time.

I mean, I did say Ness could not bypass Low Godly and it surely isn't fate hax like Ness. Though I find it interesting that TOTU and Eru are at the same tier...
 
By PSI you mean mindhax right? That is what it says on the page. Nessa's nature is tied to her concept; you cannot mindhax her without altering the universe itself. Nessa knows everything because she literally created everything. If you write a book, you know everything that happens (Unless you forget), right? The same principle applies.

The whole singing part is very unlikely to be literal. It's more thought based. Singing is just how the limited conception of the Elves preceived it.
 
TFW We really need a page on Psionics I mean, technically PSI is a "subset" of mind hax, but Ehhhhh. Ness isn't really manipulating anyone's mind, it's just psychic energy or mental powers, for Ness it's Psychic Energy Manipulation. Sometimes it can be used for Elemental Manipulaton and telekinesis, etc. I mean, technically Ness is a walking universe here. Nessa doesn't have Omniscience on her page. I don't think she knows "everything" just that she has really good knowledge of the universe and even if she does, it ain't doing jack on this matchup because it only applies to her verse and her verse only. She doesn't have any clue on what the Hey an Earthbound is and Ness doesn't have knowledge on what the heck a LOTR is. Ness is near Omniscient because TOTU, who's fully Omniscient, bestowed Low 2-C Powers to him and "ultimate intelligence" and allowed Ness to become one with Space-Time.

But if she's still singing.. then wouldn't PSI shut that down? I mean, even if it is "thought" based, Fate hax just says no and protects Ness and then maybe he could just win right there. Plus, would she even lead up with that knowing she's fighting a kid? (if Ness's avatar is being used here).
 
Her knowledge comes from the nature of the universe; she would definetly keep all her understanding of the worldy in Earthbound.

I am not sure how Ness's fate hax works. Would you mind elaborating? The page just basically says protection from TOTU
 
Are you saying that Nessa has knowledge on the Earthbound world or what? I'm a bit confused here.

Sure, Ness's "Passive" Fate Manipulation comes from the fact that he is protected by a higher dimensional entity that exist within The Earthbound Multiverse, Which is the Truth of The Universe. The TOTU selects Ness (along with others too) to be the "chosen one" to stop an evil force (which is Giygas) that threats the universe, making it so that every battle he encounters and his fight against Giygas is assured to go in his favor even in most desperate and dire situations. His Fate Manipulation also apparently prevents death/or Incapacitatio, referring to it as a "bad dream" if he is defeated. The TOTU also supplied Ness with Low 2-C powers and allowed him to fuse himself with the universe and absorb Magicant (a universe that Ness creates within his mind). This Fate Manipulation allowed Ness to win in different timelines.
 
Why does Ness have to fight so many deities, demons, etc.

It's like truth has a sense of humour like the GGs and loves playing a divine prank on the heroes.

I legit don't know who wins aside from protection from fate, like she can just make him happy and no lnger want to fight but I'm too lazy to re-read Ness' profile and idk if he resist that or not
 
GiverOfThePeace said:
Why does Ness have to fight so many deities, demons, etc.

It's like truth has a sense of humour like the GGs and loves playing a divine prank on the heroes.

I legit don't know who wins aside from protection from fate, like she can just make him happy and no lnger want to fight but I'm too lazy to re-read Ness' profile and idk if he resist that or not
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I seriously have no clue, I guess people want him to lose or something. Oof, and now that I think about it.. this matchup I have in mind is gonna be really terrible... I might not even do it since I'm discouraged as of now.

Let's see...Ness was able to overcome Madness/Mind Manipulation from Giygas, and was unaffected by the Mani Mani statue which made people feel greedy and selfish.

Most of my arguments is just PSI and lolfatehax, so I'm leaning towards him rn.
 
for the sake of not trying to over-analyze a verse a uh third time i will agree with whatever TQB says this entire threda so his vote = my vote. You can apply this to most EB threads unless I outright disagee.
 
Wow, I don't know if I should be filled with joy after hearing that. But ya know, you don't really have to agree with everything I say 100%. I make a lot of clumsy mistakes here and there, and often times just get things wrong when I'm involved in some sort of debate. Sometimes, these errors fills me with regret and I just don't know.

But yeah, thank you.

Uh, I'm just leaning towards Ness here since I think he has the advantage in most categories.
 
I did say I was leaning towards Ness, and no one so far said much about Nessa.

Uhhhhhhh

So I guess I vote Ness for the time being since this thread is going really slow, but I'm willing to change that.
 
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