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Gogeta blue tier

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Please change to "at least Universe level+ possibly low multiverse level"

Even tho it true that Gogeta blue is just that much stronger then Broly.

even so there nothing confirm that he reach Tier 2-C yet.

Then again I'm fine with 2-C via sheer Power multiplier of DB verse at whole.

....just add "at least tier low 2-C" before it.

And Don't forget to change tier of people scale to this too.
 
This was discussed for a while in a different thread, so no, it stays like that as far as people agreed. If you want to know why, it's do to the fact that champa and beerus together can cause a 2-C feat. Gogeta being that much above broly, who is probably stronger than beerus. Thus gogeta is possibly 2-C, for having power possibly greater than beerus and champa put together.
 
What Wright said. It's the whole reason DBS is among the top, if not the top, AP wise in Low 2-C.

The difference is infinite, so no matter how many multipliers they get, which are a lot, they are still Low 2-C. An infinite distance like that isn't covered by multiplying. or dividing.
 
No, it isn't infinite. This was debunked by admins in the massive 2-C revision for Dragon Ball. It's only unquantifiable. Based upon hundreds of posts and endless argument, we came to the conclusion that anyone who is 2x the power of Beerus would scale to 2-C, due to the combined power of Beerus and Champa resulting in 2-C destruction.

Gogeta Blue easily stomped FPSS Broly, who is said to possibly surpass Beerus. It is implied in the novel, which is accepted as canon, that Gogeta was heavily holding back when he went Blue. So, overall, Gogeta Blue scales to possibly 2x Beerus. Thus making him possibly 2-C.
 
Look, i'll be completely frank with you, because I took part to the discussion that decided this nonsense.

Gogeta is wanked due to the extreme fanboyism towards the character.

The claim is "since Gogeta Blue stomped Broly, then he is at least above the combined power of Beerus and Champa" Obviously that's pure nonsense since we don't know how much stronger you should be to perform a stomp, but who cares, he's Gogeta, he's cool, he's Dragon Ball. Let's wank him!

I suggest just stop trying changing people's mind here because there is an elitist community here that thinks to know all the answers and won't get a no as a reply, and if you even DARE to oppose, prepare to see people going nuts on you, lamenting that this has already been discussed and so nobody should talk about it, and bla bla bla. You'd waste your time.

Use this site just for the calcs, the people that deal with the tiering are just close-minded due to the fact that they receive complaints everyday from god who knows how many fictional universes, because this wiki is just too popular.
 
Isn't it generally considered that the gap to one-shot is around 7.5x or did that change? We just don't use that for scaling purposes or else we'd get ridiculously high stats via scaling.

Sure, nothing proves he's above the combined power of Beerus and Champa, that's obvious bull, but casually stomping somenody above Beerus should be enough to be 2x stronger than him in my eyes.

Even then, I don't entirely agree that just because the gap is unquantifiable and not infinite that we can just arbitrarily decide where that line is and that Dragon Ball bypasses it, but that's a thread for another day.

I'm fine with a possibly for now.
 
So, they beat someone who is probably stronger than Beerus (only probably), and this somehow means they're stronger than Beerus and Champa put together (while keeping in mind that their combined power is unquantifiably bigger than them on their own)... well, shit.
 
ZERO7772 said:
Why not Goku and Jiren then? Jiren has more wank than Broly.
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No and no.

The only source for either of them scaling above Beerus is a single magazine scan claiming that UI Goku 'possibly' surpasses Beerus, placing Goku and Broly at the same level. The gap between Goku and Jiren is unlikely to be of that great of a magnitude, considering Goku could damage Jiren and his ki techniques could hold up to Jiren's, albeit only briefly.

Broly has FAR more wank than Jiren. He has been constantly wanked IRL as being the absolute strongest in DBS. Frieza has wanked him as too powerful for anyone to defeat.

Gogeta easily stomped Broly, who scales as 'possibly' above Beerus. It's not 'wank' like Rash has claimed multiple times. The scaling chain follows as:

Grand Priest >> Angels > (Likely) Gogeta Blue > casual Gogeta Blue >> FPSS Broly = MUI Goku >/= Beerus

If you want to argue that Jiren and Goku scale to being far above Beerus, it would be best to make a CRT for them specifically, as you would have to argue at length for why Goku and Jiren are logically above Beerus to that degree.

I should note, however, that AKM and others have argued and made the GoDs all comparable in power (which I heavily disagree with but I digress) which means Jiren and Goku SHOULD be 2-C. Whis himself already stated Jiren may surpass GoD-level (just by seeing suppressed Jiren) and Belmod consistently claimed Jiren was unbeatable. LB Jiren and UI Goku SHOULD be conclusively 2-C for being far more powerful than Base Jiren and UIO3 Goku, due to Base Jiren already surpassing GoD-level.
 
What is this nonsense? If you really think that Broly is comparable to Gogeta Blue then you are wanking Broly. Gogeta is stronger than blue Goku in base and going blue on top of that only means he's at least 25,000x blue Goku.

There are many flaws on the opposite side. First off your assuming that full power Broly is 25,000x stronger than blue Goku which is extreme wank and your forgetting Broly can adapt. Gogeta didn't just stomp Broly, he widened the gap so far that Broly didn't even get a chance to adapt once.
 
Again, multiple staff members stated that the gap isn't infinite. It is only unquantifiable to upgrade a Low 2-C to 2-C without viable evidence. It was agreed upon that Beerus and Champa are not 2-C solo but their combined energy can destroy multiple universes. In other words, anyone with twice the energy (power) of Beerus would be 2-C.

@Hizack123

Goku outright states that Broly is 'probably' stronger than Beerus. Gogeta Blue stomped someone comparable to Beerus without much effort, meaning Gogeta is likely much stronger than that.
 
Zamasu Chan said:
What is this nonsense? If you really think that Broly is comparable to Gogeta Blue then you are wanking Broly. Gogeta is stronger than blue Goku in base and going blue on top of that only means he's at least 25,000x blue Goku.

There are many flaws on the opposite side. First off your assuming that full power Broly is 25,000x stronger than blue Goku which is extreme wank and your forgetting Broly can adapt. Gogeta didn't just stomp Broly, he widened the gap so far that Broly didn't even get a chance to adapt once.
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It's ridiculous how broken Gogeta is when you factor transformations. I still think however that Broly is stronger than SSG Gogeta at least.
 
@Cyro Wasn't that magazine talking about UIO and base Jiren? If they weee refereeing to UI then Goku and Jiren are around Broly's level atax.
 
It was for episode 130 which only has UI. It was also translated by Ken Xyro who said it was UI not UIO.
 
No. I believe KenXyro responded to that translation and stated that it was incorrect. He said that the scan was for Episode 130 and that, despite the text being next to an image of UIO Goku, it actually refers to silver, referencing the complete UI.
 
Creo que la fusión es superior a la de Beerus, ya que se sabe que actualmente el goku es el m├ís cercano al Dios Beerus que destruye ... en el poder,
por lo que una fusión es obviamente una escalada en la cerveza, solo la fusión, no individualmente para confirmar Varios temas relacionados con la interfaz de usuario, poco a poco, aclaran varias cosas en el universo de DB que me gustan, algunas cosas se aclaran.
 
Yeah I'm calling heavy bullshit on Gogeta being as strong as the combined power of two GoDs. Beerus's power has been in so much flux since he debuted that we can have no value in Goku's statement at all. Like literally 0%.

Also given how DB universes are structured with the map, they're not as high into Low 2-C as people are making them out to be. It's not unquantifiable when the distance between the two has been shown to be much smaller than the universes itself. Frankly I don't know what's changed between when we didn't acknowledge the feat and now.
 
Honestly, the two combined being 2-C but on their own being Low 2-C makes really no sense, the gap between those two tiers is so huge that you literally cannot get a tier jump no matter how much you multiply or divide it.
 
What I will give the pro-DB side is that the gap between the tiers is hyped up way too much and it should be possible to get there through intense scaling. Just that DB doesn't have it.
 
Funny enough the impossible gap was the thing that came out of nowhere. I recall the days where Saint Seiya, Pokemon, and Digimon breached Low 2-C with pure scaling. Of course, all of them said "f*ck that" and left that tier to do bigger and better things. Then peeps started claiming that 5D distance thing and the impossibly large tier shiz.
 
We had a long discussion about the angels and Grand Priest being stronger than Beerus and Champa combined, which is all that it would take to qualify for 2-C in the Dragon Ball world.

Gogeta is only rated as "Possibly 2-C" though.
 
Paulo.junior.969 said:
Honestly, the two combined being 2-C but on their own being Low 2-C makes really no sense, the gap between those two tiers is so huge that you literally cannot get a tier jump no matter how much you multiply or divide it.
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But they literally did. None of them have shown enough power to destroy 2 universes on their own, yet they can do it with their combined strength.

This was decided after two very long threads, just read them.
 
Who cares if they haven't shown the power to destroy two universes on their own? The power of them together is only 2x the power they have on their own, and 2-C divided by two is still 2-C, if they show that or not really doesn't matter, a character doesn't need to have a feat if they should logically be that powerful.

Also, the two threads being long does not matter if the conclusion you guys got to makes no sense.
 
Also given how DB universes are structured with the map, they're not as high into Low 2-C as people are making them out to be. It's not unquantifiable when the distance between the two has been shown to be much smaller than the universes itself. Frankly I don't know what's changed between when we didn't acknowledge the feat and now.

So all of a sudden how large the distance is matters now? This can literally work against you by saying the axis isn't that large so multipliers can make them breach low 2-C and reach 2-C. I've never heard of "how big" the 5-D axis must be. And if that's so relevant then the Infinite Zamasu feat is completely overlooked. You know why? It's because IZ was able to breach the dimensional barriers of two timelines and two U7s which would be a HUGE 5-D axis that Zamasu was able to embody by himself.
 
While I agree with Ant that this is the best we can do with our current guidelines... I kind of agree with Zamasu here... We kind of need to relook at IZ's feat... Because it seems to be a lot higher than people are making it out to be merely baseline Low 2C.
 
Just remove the 2-C from Gogeta's profile and cut all the crap you may receive tbh. It's not like Goku's words on Beerus's strengh are trust worthy when he never saw the latter's full power, so Goku is just doing some assumtion work here

You guys are doing assumption based on assumption here. Beeru's is all over the place and he is moving goal. This guy went from just a little stonger than SSG to stronger than a freakig SSB fusion "Vegito"
 
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