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So i've been reading through all the threads related to this feat before, i've also looked through all the support and all the stuff against it and i've come up with this thread. If you don't know by now, this thread is about Kaguya's ETSB
The evidence for it
The Evidence for it
Sasuke and the Sand dimension
Probably the most Infamous bit of evidence for Star level Kaguya is when Sasuke was dumped into Kaguya's dimension, in a particular scan we see Sasuke raise his arm in front of his face to protect his eyes from Sunlight, At the same time, we also see Kishi drawing Sunlight streaks onto the page, so this already confirms a source of Light in the Dimension, however the interesting thing is that other Dimensions also have sources of light (Otherwise characters wouldn't be able to see) but ONLY the sand dimension has streaks of sunlight drawn onto it and the only Dimension where characters need to shield their eyes because of the amount of light that could damage their eyes.
Sasuke in the sand dimension, in the panel to the left we can see streaks of Sunlight and in the panel to the bottom right we can see Sasuke shielding his eyes away from the sunlight, which creates a shadow under his arm.
Further proof
Further Proof
However there is more Proof towards the Sand dimension having a Sun in it, despite it showing features of it having a sun (Such as sunlight), there's one thing from the OVA for "The Day Naruto becomes Hokage", Written by Kishimoto , both the Omake and the OVA.
In the credits for the OVA we see some Manga pages drawn by Kishimoto, one of which includes Sasuke roaming around Kaguya's Sand dimensions, here is the panel
Sasuke roaming around the sand dimension, we can see Sakura's flak jacket laying there as Sasuke used it to teleport in the war arc, notice anything?
The Star
The Star
Did you catch it? In the panel we can see the Sun in the background, how do we know it's a sun and not another object? Well it's pretty easy, let's compare it to when Kishimoto has Drawn the Sun in the Naruto world
Here is the sun in the background when Nagato creates his chibaku tensei
Here is the sun in the background when Nagato creates his chibaku tensei >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now let's compare the two below
On the left is the Sun from the Naruto world, On the right is the Sun from the sand dimension, Identical.
On the left we can see the Sun from the Naruto world, i'm sure no one will Argue that this isn't the sun and that it indeed is a star, on the Right is the Sun from the sand dimension, they are drawn identically. In fact every single time we ever see the sun in Naruto (Even if it's not in the sky and a drawing/mark of it) it's drawn identically to the one in the Desert Dimension.
The sun seal above Ashura
The Sun on Naruto's hand
On the other hand, as we can see here Kishi always draws Moons in different ways, he'd always make it spotty and much less smooth as we can see to the right >>>
So That brings an End to my Main Point, that there definitely is a Star in Kaguya's Sand Dimension, It looks like a Star, it behaves like a Star and it's drawn like every single Sun that Kishi ever has and ever will draw.
Novel Proof
Novel Proof
No, before you start, this isn't the "Momoshiki destroyed a star in the novels give me 4-C base momo"
This is referring to a Statement in the Novel written by Ukyo Kodachi and Masashi Kishimoto (I'll give a link to sources crediting them with it if needed), the novel isn't the main canon but it doesn't contradict anything about Kaguya so it should be fine to use as support.
Here's the statement
"He didn't think they'd gotten very far from the village of Konohagakure, but, rather than saying this was some place he didn't remember, it'd be more accurate to say this was a parallel world.
It was terribly cold, and distortions rippled through the sky. It plainly wasn't the airspace of his own world.
Kaguya had held the power of sending people into parallel worlds too… Is this something like a kekkai, or a subspace?"
So how does this help support the fact that it's a dimension with a star in it? Well a parallel world is simply further proof, as this means that each dimension is parallel to earth, so dimensions having their own Stars (the Ice dimension also has a moon) and moons is something that becomes easier to accept when you realise they are parallel worlds to Earth, hell Naruto didn't even think he'd left the earth yet.
The Outlier Questio
The Outlier questio
Now one of the main rebuttals to this is "Well it'd be an outlier for Kaguya to be High 4-C"
This is obviously nonsense, due to one simple fact, ETSB DOES NOT SCALE TO ANYONE
If you check the Current Profile for Kaguya, you'll see this "At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. 5-A with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball." As you can see, the ETSB is rated differently from her normal attacks and it also doesn't scale to her own durability, Hell Momoshiki who we actually accept as being superior to Kaguya isn't even scaled to ETSB and no one ever will be
Also thanks to ProfessorKukui4Life for this next part, this was his opinion on the outlier argument
"For the sake of not leaving double-standards alone, im gonna call out some examples who are in the same boat, but yet get an accepted High 4-C rating. Or any rating in general thats far higher than their own stats.
Danny Phantom: Danny's Low 2-C rating strictly comes from using the Ecto Skeleton, which scales to Pariah Dark (Ghost King), who scales to the Reality Gauntlet. Danny's Low 2-C rating doesnt apply to his regular stats. Danny's regular stats cap at literally Low 6-B....and thats only with a single move, Ghostly Wail. And yet for some reason we accept a Low 2-C Danny without a problem.
Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty: Rick is literally nothing but a regular human whos only strong thanks to his inventions, which range from 5-B to Low 2-C with them. They dont scale to his stats whatsoever and are borderline prep worthy, yet he is accepted as someone who can even reach tier 2 with them.
Branching right off from Rick, we have 3 other examples too. Phineas and Ferb Flynn, as well as Jimmy Neutron . All 3 of these guys are not only regular humans, they are freaking kids. And yet, Phineas and Ferb get a 3-C rating ludicriously beyond their regular stats (from a feat that isnt even directly AP based) and Jimmy is allowed to have a 5-B rating (also much beyond his own wall level power) because of prepperation.
All of these characters have ridiculously high tiers based off prep and/or weapons whos powers dont scale to their stats in the slightest. Yet for some reason, Kaguyas ETSB does the exact same thing and for her and only her its magically an outlier. Again, I dont care if it is one, but I do care if its one based on absolutely 0 explanation and just ignores double standards being a thing."
Her Profile would look like this
Tier: At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. High 4-C with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball.
Attack Potency: "At least Planet level (Stated to be more powerful than even the Sage of the Six Paths, overpowered Naruto's attacks, easily destroyed Sasuke's Susanoo, and changed the environment of an entire planet), higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). Large Star Level with the Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball. (Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her ETSB is capable of destroying and re-creating them) The Gentle Fist bypasses durability to an extent as it directly targets the nerves and life energy channels to disrupt the target's movements and ability to control their inner energy"
Since this move does not scale to anyone (I mean Sasuke, Naruto and Co literally could not do anything about it besides defeat Kaguya before she completed it), the idea of it being an outlier makes absolutely no sense.
Previous Rebuttals answered
Previous Rebuttals
I'm going to try and go through all Prior rebuttals and try and answer them here so we don't waste too much time going in circles
1: "It's an outlier and inconsistent with showings!"
Already answered above.
2: "It's not a sun just another light source, we saw Toneri create a sun in Naruto the last"
Remind me again when we saw Toneri create entire dimensions with Planets, Moons, day and night cycles and outer space again? Yeah that's a pretty dumb argument to make in all honesty, Toneri creating a tiny fake sun isn't comparable to Kaguya's ETSB which can literally Re-Create entire dimensions with Planets, Moons and outer space confirmed.
Also more Input from ProfKukui
"The whole "artifical light source instead of being a real star" argument makes absolutely no sense, besides the points you already used. I'll use Toneri as an example since it fits and you used him in your thread. Unlike Toneri and Hamura who have the resources, intelligence and motive to create an artifical sun inside the moon, Kaguya lacks all 3 of them for her dimensions. Kaguya lacks the intelligence to build and create a device thats capable of creating an artifical star (let alone on her own instead of being backed by an entire clan), she lacks the resources to do that for an entire dimension thats 4-C in scope, and she lacks motive for it.
Especially since Team 7 has been through multiple of her dimensions and they have never encountered any kind of device or machine that would be maintaining an artifical sun. This isnt the same as encountering the Tenseigan Device on the moon which provides the moon its artificial sun.
Not to mention, if her dimensions really did have devices to stablize artifical stars, what power source would Kaguya even have for them to make this notion possible? She's been sealed for 1000s of years, clearly being completely incapable of sustaining the supposed devices power source. So how would an artificial device be able to last so long? For multiple reasons, mine and yours, Kaguya's dimension having an artificial sun via a device is 100% nonsense."
3: "It might not be a sun"
So something that's drawn identical to the Sun in the naruto world, literally behaves like the sun in the naruto world and has nothing about it contradicting it being a Star is suddenly thrown out because it "Might" not be a sun, when did we automatically start assuming any possibility is further proof than actual supported arguments?
4: "We don't know its size"
The funny thing about this is i have literally never in my 2 years in this wikia seen this argument used elsewhere, literally everywhere a dimension has a confirmed star in it it's automatically assumed to be a Sun sized star, but when it comes to Naruto and we literally see it drawn the same SIZE AND SHAPE and appeareance as the sun in the Naruto world, it's suddenly about us not knowing its size, that seems kinda hypocritical.
5: "It could've existed there before/Kaguya didn't create her dimensions"
There is literally, and i mean literally no reason to assume that Kaguya's dimensions were just there and she just happened to come upon them, Firstly they are called Kaguya's Dimensions, this is literally never stated with anyone else, is the Kamui dimension called Obito's Dimension? No, it's only ever called someone's dimension when they actually created it themselves
Furthermore Kaguya has actually shown the ability to completely create the entire Timespace of a dimension from scratch, so to randomly assume the dimension was just there from the start and Kaguya just happened to come across 6 dimensions makes no sense when Kaguya says they are hers, others say they are Kaguya's and Kaguya can create dimensions
Not only that but she literally herself says that it's her timespace, nowhere else in the series is this stated and Kaguya also has complete control of her own Dimension, to the point where she can become one with it.
6: "Kaguya creating an ETSB to create a dimension is inconsistent with the story as no one had chakra"
Did we read the same manga? Or am i the only one who realises that Kaguya literally had all the chakra in the world, all chakra originally belonged to her the whole goal of the final fight was her trying to reclaim chakra that Hagoromo and Hamura took from her and spread to the world, meaning Kaguya after eating the Shinju fruit was very much capable of creating more than 1 Dimension and since chakra is something that can be replenished, she could easily do it multiple times
Final Words
Final Words
I believe that's pretty much the main arguments that were against it and all the supporting proof for it, here are the changes i am proposing
Kaguya's Current Profile
Tier: At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. 5-A with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball.
Attack potency: At least Planet level (Stated to be more powerful than even the Sage of the Six Paths, overpowered Naruto's attacks, easily destroyed Sasuke's Susanoo, and changed the environment of an entire planet), higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). Large Planet level with the Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball. The Gentle Fist bypasses durability to an extent as it directly targets the nerves and life energy channels to disrupt the target's movements and ability to control their inner energy
Kaguya's new profile
Tier: At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. High 4-C with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball.
Attack Potency: "At least Planet level (Stated to be more powerful than even the Sage of the Six Paths, overpowered Naruto's attacks, easily destroyed Sasuke's Susanoo, and changed the environment of an entire planet), higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). Large Star Level with the Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball. (Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her ETSB is capable of destroying and re-creating them) The Gentle Fist bypasses durability to an extent as it directly targets the nerves and life energy channels to disrupt the target's movements and ability to control their inner energy"
This change is only for Kaguya and her ETSB, that's it, no one else scales and only 1 attack/move gets changed in its tier.
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So i've been reading through all the threads related to this feat before, i've also looked through all the support and all the stuff against it and i've come up with this thread. If you don't know by now, this thread is about Kaguya's ETSB
The evidence for it
The Evidence for it
Sasuke and the Sand dimension
Probably the most Infamous bit of evidence for Star level Kaguya is when Sasuke was dumped into Kaguya's dimension, in a particular scan we see Sasuke raise his arm in front of his face to protect his eyes from Sunlight, At the same time, we also see Kishi drawing Sunlight streaks onto the page, so this already confirms a source of Light in the Dimension, however the interesting thing is that other Dimensions also have sources of light (Otherwise characters wouldn't be able to see) but ONLY the sand dimension has streaks of sunlight drawn onto it and the only Dimension where characters need to shield their eyes because of the amount of light that could damage their eyes.
Sasuke in the sand dimension, in the panel to the left we can see streaks of Sunlight and in the panel to the bottom right we can see Sasuke shielding his eyes away from the sunlight, which creates a shadow under his arm.
Further proof
Further Proof
However there is more Proof towards the Sand dimension having a Sun in it, despite it showing features of it having a sun (Such as sunlight), there's one thing from the OVA for "The Day Naruto becomes Hokage", Written by Kishimoto , both the Omake and the OVA.
In the credits for the OVA we see some Manga pages drawn by Kishimoto, one of which includes Sasuke roaming around Kaguya's Sand dimensions, here is the panel
Sasuke roaming around the sand dimension, we can see Sakura's flak jacket laying there as Sasuke used it to teleport in the war arc, notice anything?
The Star
The Star
Did you catch it? In the panel we can see the Sun in the background, how do we know it's a sun and not another object? Well it's pretty easy, let's compare it to when Kishimoto has Drawn the Sun in the Naruto world
Here is the sun in the background when Nagato creates his chibaku tensei
Here is the sun in the background when Nagato creates his chibaku tensei >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Now let's compare the two below
On the left is the Sun from the Naruto world, On the right is the Sun from the sand dimension, Identical.
On the left we can see the Sun from the Naruto world, i'm sure no one will Argue that this isn't the sun and that it indeed is a star, on the Right is the Sun from the sand dimension, they are drawn identically. In fact every single time we ever see the sun in Naruto (Even if it's not in the sky and a drawing/mark of it) it's drawn identically to the one in the Desert Dimension.
The sun seal above Ashura
The Sun on Naruto's hand
On the other hand, as we can see here Kishi always draws Moons in different ways, he'd always make it spotty and much less smooth as we can see to the right >>>
So That brings an End to my Main Point, that there definitely is a Star in Kaguya's Sand Dimension, It looks like a Star, it behaves like a Star and it's drawn like every single Sun that Kishi ever has and ever will draw.
Novel Proof
Novel Proof
No, before you start, this isn't the "Momoshiki destroyed a star in the novels give me 4-C base momo"
This is referring to a Statement in the Novel written by Ukyo Kodachi and Masashi Kishimoto (I'll give a link to sources crediting them with it if needed), the novel isn't the main canon but it doesn't contradict anything about Kaguya so it should be fine to use as support.
Here's the statement
"He didn't think they'd gotten very far from the village of Konohagakure, but, rather than saying this was some place he didn't remember, it'd be more accurate to say this was a parallel world.
It was terribly cold, and distortions rippled through the sky. It plainly wasn't the airspace of his own world.
Kaguya had held the power of sending people into parallel worlds too… Is this something like a kekkai, or a subspace?"
So how does this help support the fact that it's a dimension with a star in it? Well a parallel world is simply further proof, as this means that each dimension is parallel to earth, so dimensions having their own Stars (the Ice dimension also has a moon) and moons is something that becomes easier to accept when you realise they are parallel worlds to Earth, hell Naruto didn't even think he'd left the earth yet.
The Outlier Questio
The Outlier questio
Now one of the main rebuttals to this is "Well it'd be an outlier for Kaguya to be High 4-C"
This is obviously nonsense, due to one simple fact, ETSB DOES NOT SCALE TO ANYONE
If you check the Current Profile for Kaguya, you'll see this "At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. 5-A with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball." As you can see, the ETSB is rated differently from her normal attacks and it also doesn't scale to her own durability, Hell Momoshiki who we actually accept as being superior to Kaguya isn't even scaled to ETSB and no one ever will be
Also thanks to ProfessorKukui4Life for this next part, this was his opinion on the outlier argument
"For the sake of not leaving double-standards alone, im gonna call out some examples who are in the same boat, but yet get an accepted High 4-C rating. Or any rating in general thats far higher than their own stats.
Danny Phantom: Danny's Low 2-C rating strictly comes from using the Ecto Skeleton, which scales to Pariah Dark (Ghost King), who scales to the Reality Gauntlet. Danny's Low 2-C rating doesnt apply to his regular stats. Danny's regular stats cap at literally Low 6-B....and thats only with a single move, Ghostly Wail. And yet for some reason we accept a Low 2-C Danny without a problem.
Rick Sanchez from Rick and Morty: Rick is literally nothing but a regular human whos only strong thanks to his inventions, which range from 5-B to Low 2-C with them. They dont scale to his stats whatsoever and are borderline prep worthy, yet he is accepted as someone who can even reach tier 2 with them.
Branching right off from Rick, we have 3 other examples too. Phineas and Ferb Flynn, as well as Jimmy Neutron . All 3 of these guys are not only regular humans, they are freaking kids. And yet, Phineas and Ferb get a 3-C rating ludicriously beyond their regular stats (from a feat that isnt even directly AP based) and Jimmy is allowed to have a 5-B rating (also much beyond his own wall level power) because of prepperation.
All of these characters have ridiculously high tiers based off prep and/or weapons whos powers dont scale to their stats in the slightest. Yet for some reason, Kaguyas ETSB does the exact same thing and for her and only her its magically an outlier. Again, I dont care if it is one, but I do care if its one based on absolutely 0 explanation and just ignores double standards being a thing."
Her Profile would look like this
Tier: At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. High 4-C with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball.
Attack Potency: "At least Planet level (Stated to be more powerful than even the Sage of the Six Paths, overpowered Naruto's attacks, easily destroyed Sasuke's Susanoo, and changed the environment of an entire planet), higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). Large Star Level with the Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball. (Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her ETSB is capable of destroying and re-creating them) The Gentle Fist bypasses durability to an extent as it directly targets the nerves and life energy channels to disrupt the target's movements and ability to control their inner energy"
Since this move does not scale to anyone (I mean Sasuke, Naruto and Co literally could not do anything about it besides defeat Kaguya before she completed it), the idea of it being an outlier makes absolutely no sense.
Previous Rebuttals answered
Previous Rebuttals
I'm going to try and go through all Prior rebuttals and try and answer them here so we don't waste too much time going in circles
1: "It's an outlier and inconsistent with showings!"
Already answered above.
2: "It's not a sun just another light source, we saw Toneri create a sun in Naruto the last"
Remind me again when we saw Toneri create entire dimensions with Planets, Moons, day and night cycles and outer space again? Yeah that's a pretty dumb argument to make in all honesty, Toneri creating a tiny fake sun isn't comparable to Kaguya's ETSB which can literally Re-Create entire dimensions with Planets, Moons and outer space confirmed.
Also more Input from ProfKukui
"The whole "artifical light source instead of being a real star" argument makes absolutely no sense, besides the points you already used. I'll use Toneri as an example since it fits and you used him in your thread. Unlike Toneri and Hamura who have the resources, intelligence and motive to create an artifical sun inside the moon, Kaguya lacks all 3 of them for her dimensions. Kaguya lacks the intelligence to build and create a device thats capable of creating an artifical star (let alone on her own instead of being backed by an entire clan), she lacks the resources to do that for an entire dimension thats 4-C in scope, and she lacks motive for it.
Especially since Team 7 has been through multiple of her dimensions and they have never encountered any kind of device or machine that would be maintaining an artifical sun. This isnt the same as encountering the Tenseigan Device on the moon which provides the moon its artificial sun.
Not to mention, if her dimensions really did have devices to stablize artifical stars, what power source would Kaguya even have for them to make this notion possible? She's been sealed for 1000s of years, clearly being completely incapable of sustaining the supposed devices power source. So how would an artificial device be able to last so long? For multiple reasons, mine and yours, Kaguya's dimension having an artificial sun via a device is 100% nonsense."
3: "It might not be a sun"
So something that's drawn identical to the Sun in the naruto world, literally behaves like the sun in the naruto world and has nothing about it contradicting it being a Star is suddenly thrown out because it "Might" not be a sun, when did we automatically start assuming any possibility is further proof than actual supported arguments?
4: "We don't know its size"
The funny thing about this is i have literally never in my 2 years in this wikia seen this argument used elsewhere, literally everywhere a dimension has a confirmed star in it it's automatically assumed to be a Sun sized star, but when it comes to Naruto and we literally see it drawn the same SIZE AND SHAPE and appeareance as the sun in the Naruto world, it's suddenly about us not knowing its size, that seems kinda hypocritical.
5: "It could've existed there before/Kaguya didn't create her dimensions"
There is literally, and i mean literally no reason to assume that Kaguya's dimensions were just there and she just happened to come upon them, Firstly they are called Kaguya's Dimensions, this is literally never stated with anyone else, is the Kamui dimension called Obito's Dimension? No, it's only ever called someone's dimension when they actually created it themselves
Furthermore Kaguya has actually shown the ability to completely create the entire Timespace of a dimension from scratch, so to randomly assume the dimension was just there from the start and Kaguya just happened to come across 6 dimensions makes no sense when Kaguya says they are hers, others say they are Kaguya's and Kaguya can create dimensions
Not only that but she literally herself says that it's her timespace, nowhere else in the series is this stated and Kaguya also has complete control of her own Dimension, to the point where she can become one with it.
6: "Kaguya creating an ETSB to create a dimension is inconsistent with the story as no one had chakra"
Did we read the same manga? Or am i the only one who realises that Kaguya literally had all the chakra in the world, all chakra originally belonged to her the whole goal of the final fight was her trying to reclaim chakra that Hagoromo and Hamura took from her and spread to the world, meaning Kaguya after eating the Shinju fruit was very much capable of creating more than 1 Dimension and since chakra is something that can be replenished, she could easily do it multiple times
Final Words
Final Words
I believe that's pretty much the main arguments that were against it and all the supporting proof for it, here are the changes i am proposing
Kaguya's Current Profile
Tier: At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. 5-A with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball.
Attack potency: At least Planet level (Stated to be more powerful than even the Sage of the Six Paths, overpowered Naruto's attacks, easily destroyed Sasuke's Susanoo, and changed the environment of an entire planet), higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). Large Planet level with the Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball. The Gentle Fist bypasses durability to an extent as it directly targets the nerves and life energy channels to disrupt the target's movements and ability to control their inner energy
Kaguya's new profile
Tier: At least 5-B, higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi. High 4-C with Expansive Truth Seeking Ball.
Attack Potency: "At least Planet level (Stated to be more powerful than even the Sage of the Six Paths, overpowered Naruto's attacks, easily destroyed Sasuke's Susanoo, and changed the environment of an entire planet), higher with Infinite Tsukuyomi (The Chakra absorbed from Infinite Tsukiyomi Increases her stats exponentially). Large Star Level with the Expansive Truth-Seeking Ball. (Kaguya's dimensions contain Stars and Planets and her ETSB is capable of destroying and re-creating them) The Gentle Fist bypasses durability to an extent as it directly targets the nerves and life energy channels to disrupt the target's movements and ability to control their inner energy"
This change is only for Kaguya and her ETSB, that's it, no one else scales and only 1 attack/move gets changed in its tier.
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