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Shulk V.S Joker.

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Hmmm time to try another xenoblade and persona 5 matchup because zanza and yaldabaoth won't work

Speed Equalized

Both at low 2-C

Battle takes place in final battle area from xenoblade 1

Who wins and why?
 
I can see Shulk taking this because of his precogniton and monado purge. While Joker is resistant to perception manipulation, he does not resist paralysis, which leaves him open for attack, along with power nullification, which could possibly nullify special abilities like almighty attacks. While both characters have stat reduction, Shulk's stat reduction helps him more because Joker doesn't resist stat reduction, while Shulk does. And on top of that, Shulk resistant to some of Joker's important haxes like death manipulation, mind manipulation and attack reflection. I'm voting Shulk
 
Joker does resist paralysis. Very good paralysis might I add, caused by Yaldy's conceptual hax. He also resists power null, which he nulls with Unshaken Will. Joker also has notable fate manipulation, so Shulk's precog is less useful than it would be.

A Persona that nulls/absorbs physical attacks plus Makarakarn would completely negate M.Purge, and Joker can just fire back with Megidolaon and Sinful Shell.
 
I mean, a fortune teller with a 100% accuracy and success rate kept trying to read Joker's future, yet just by doing what he wanted, he made each and every reading wrong. He also affects the fates of others just by interacting with them, so yeah, it's passive.
 
Reading a single future of the Joker is unimpressive by comparison to reading all possible futures minutes ahead of time and hundreds of years into the future

If it's passive sure that will help, but comparing the fortune teller to Shulk is a bit of a stretch

Doesn't matter though, works none the less
 
Shulk also has acausality type 2, so I doubt fate manipulation would work. Tetrakarn and Makarakarn won't work because Shulk can already resist attack reflection with ether gems. In Xenoblade, Purge isn't really a physical attack either, moreso an ether attack, or energy based attack.
 
Just gonna ask. Is Joker's profile outdated because after a search through it I did not find resistance to Power Null, if he can't resist Monado Purge then this goes into Shulk's favour as with the other Monado Arts with him Shulk can outlast Joker with his healing, damage reduction, etc.
 
Joker's profile is missing some clarifications, but to summarize, he resists power null because Forget ailment is effectively power null and can be completely negated by Unshaken Will, which makes Joker immune to all mental ailments.
 
Thatsafloridathing said:
Almighties only negate attack reflection, attack nullification or elemental resistances, none of which Shulk leads with anyways.
Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.
 
Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.

While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.
 
Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.

While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.

It doesn't matter.

True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.

I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.
 
Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.

While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.

It doesn't matter.

True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.

I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.

I mean, his stat reduction can be used within his normal attacks and normal arts so I dunno if that counts as passive or not.
 
Thatsafloridathing said:
Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.
While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker. It doesn't matter.
True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.

I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.

I mean, his stat reduction can be used within his normal attacks and normal arts so I dunno if that counts as passive or not.
His stat reduction in Normal Arts is position specific though
 
Honestly I can't really see how Shulk can win this. Joker resists just about everything Shulk can throw at him even his best shot which is Reality Warping. Shulk's starting move Monado Purge won't help much since as pointed out Joker resists Power Nullifcation and Perception Manipulation though Paralysis Inducement might do a little something but I can't imagine it would help much. It should also be noted Joker has resistance negation. Shulk's extremely powerful precognition might push it to an inconclusive, but i'm not voting just yet.
 
Stat reduction and precogniton make things a little harder for Joker because Shulk would get a vision of Joker using an almighty attack and just nerf Joker's strength right before he uses it. Even though his stat reduction in his normal arts is positional, he can still use the Strength Down gem to help him out because his auto attacks can still reduce Joker's attack power.
 
This is interesting. Both sides seem to counter the other in many regards though Shulk does have the edge in the stats war due to his Immunization skill passively giving Shulk immunity to stat reduction and as we know Immunity =/= Resistance so logically Joker's Resistance Negation should not work. Pair this with Shulk's insanely powerful precog and other skills ( which would passively buff Shulk's stats like Def for e.g ) and his Monado Arts like Enchant ( to boost his overall DPS ), Eater ( Remove buffs on Joker while also healing Shulk ) and Armour ( Reduces incoming damage by 75% ) gives the Shulk the narrow victory for me. ( Before the Revisions where Shulk will likely get upgraded to 2-C and possibly 2-A if our suspicions are true though seems iffy rn )
 
I forgot to mention the Pierce status in Xenoblade, which works similarly to almighty attacks by disregarding ether defense and physical defense and there's also a gem that can null the Pierce effect so using almighty attacks could still be a little tricky for Joker.
 
Well almighty ignores Special defenses. Even barriers get bypassed. So idk if it's entirely comparable from what you've described
 
Well almighty ignores Special defenses. Even barriers get bypassed. So idk if it's entirely comparable from what you've described

Even if Shulk has his shield or armor art activated, Pierce bypasses ether and physical defense if he doesn't have the gem equipped.
 
Oof. Hopefully he replies soon. Determining who gets what is ultimately the deciding factor for this fight. Although truthfully the fight would be more fair if Joker didn't have the orb.
 
Bware1 said:
Oof. Hopefully he replies soon. Determining who gets what is ultimately the deciding factor for this fight. Although truthfully I the fight would be more fair if Joker didn't have the orb.
I don't know too much about this orb but if he had it would he stomp
 
Multipize said:
Bware1 said:
Oof. Hopefully he replies soon. Determining who gets what is ultimately the deciding factor for this fight. Although truthfully I the fight would be more fair if Joker didn't have the orb.
I don't know too much about this orb but if he had it would he stomp
Not stomp since Shulk still has a win con via Purging+his broken Precognition. However Shulk would be limited to just his Monado Arts to even hurt Joker.
 
Even Monado Arts can't get past the Orb. It negates everything physical and magical in nature unless there's a built in resistance/durability negation.
 
Nevermind, I once again looked at the Xenoblade wiki and found the status effect "Damage Immunity", which is very similar to Joker's Omnipotent Orb. Certain enemies in the game can activate Damage Immunity with a move called "Barrier", which in turn can be taken away with Monado Eater, which disables all buffs, while doing damage to the target.
 
Omnipotent Orb isn't a buff, though. It's a passive effect given to the user it's equipped to. Monado Eater only dispels buffs. Unless the methods are similar enough to equalize, they can't be.
 
From what I can tell, both the omnipotent orb and the Damage Immunity status nullify all forms of incoming damage, so they're similar in that regard.
 
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