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Shulk V.S Joker.
- Thread starter Kople700
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I can see Shulk taking this because of his precogniton and monado purge. While Joker is resistant to perception manipulation, he does not resist paralysis, which leaves him open for attack, along with power nullification, which could possibly nullify special abilities like almighty attacks. While both characters have stat reduction, Shulk's stat reduction helps him more because Joker doesn't resist stat reduction, while Shulk does. And on top of that, Shulk resistant to some of Joker's important haxes like death manipulation, mind manipulation and attack reflection. I'm voting Shulk
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Joker does resist paralysis. Very good paralysis might I add, caused by Yaldy's conceptual hax. He also resists power null, which he nulls with Unshaken Will. Joker also has notable fate manipulation, so Shulk's precog is less useful than it would be.
A Persona that nulls/absorbs physical attacks plus Makarakarn would completely negate M.Purge, and Joker can just fire back with Megidolaon and Sinful Shell.
A Persona that nulls/absorbs physical attacks plus Makarakarn would completely negate M.Purge, and Joker can just fire back with Megidolaon and Sinful Shell.
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Unless his fate Manip is passive he's not countering Precog
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Reading a single future of the Joker is unimpressive by comparison to reading all possible futures minutes ahead of time and hundreds of years into the future
If it's passive sure that will help, but comparing the fortune teller to Shulk is a bit of a stretch
Doesn't matter though, works none the less
If it's passive sure that will help, but comparing the fortune teller to Shulk is a bit of a stretch
Doesn't matter though, works none the less
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Shulk also has acausality type 2, so I doubt fate manipulation would work. Tetrakarn and Makarakarn won't work because Shulk can already resist attack reflection with ether gems. In Xenoblade, Purge isn't really a physical attack either, moreso an ether attack, or energy based attack.
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Just gonna ask. Is Joker's profile outdated because after a search through it I did not find resistance to Power Null, if he can't resist Monado Purge then this goes into Shulk's favour as with the other Monado Arts with him Shulk can outlast Joker with his healing, damage reduction, etc.
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This does seem a lot closer than Shulk's last battle against Alien X though. Good idea for this battle.
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Off-Abiltiies-Being-Discussed-Topic but how about his time resistance?
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Almighties only negate attack reflection, attack nullification or elemental resistances, none of which Shulk leads with anyways.
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Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.
While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.
While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.
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Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.
While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.
It doesn't matter.
True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.
I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.
While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.
It doesn't matter.
True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.
I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.
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Not only negate but also bypass. To be simple, joker attack will do damage no matter what kind of barrier or resistance shulk has.
While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.
It doesn't matter.
True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.
I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.
I mean, his stat reduction can be used within his normal attacks and normal arts so I dunno if that counts as passive or not.
While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker.
It doesn't matter.
True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.
I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.
I mean, his stat reduction can be used within his normal attacks and normal arts so I dunno if that counts as passive or not.
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While it does bypass barriers, Shulk can still use his stat reduction on Joker. It doesn't matter.Thatsafloridathing said:
True Joker does not resist it in a sense. But he can turns his stat into normal, increase his own stat, or reduce shulk stat in case shulk doesn't resist it.
I'm gonna take back my word if shulk stat reduction is passive tho.
I mean, his stat reduction can be used within his normal attacks and normal arts so I dunno if that counts as passive or not.
His stat reduction in Normal Arts is position specific though
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Honestly I can't really see how Shulk can win this. Joker resists just about everything Shulk can throw at him even his best shot which is Reality Warping. Shulk's starting move Monado Purge won't help much since as pointed out Joker resists Power Nullifcation and Perception Manipulation though Paralysis Inducement might do a little something but I can't imagine it would help much. It should also be noted Joker has resistance negation. Shulk's extremely powerful precognition might push it to an inconclusive, but i'm not voting just yet.
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Stat reduction and precogniton make things a little harder for Joker because Shulk would get a vision of Joker using an almighty attack and just nerf Joker's strength right before he uses it. Even though his stat reduction in his normal arts is positional, he can still use the Strength Down gem to help him out because his auto attacks can still reduce Joker's attack power.
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This is interesting. Both sides seem to counter the other in many regards though Shulk does have the edge in the stats war due to his Immunization skill passively giving Shulk immunity to stat reduction and as we know Immunity =/= Resistance so logically Joker's Resistance Negation should not work. Pair this with Shulk's insanely powerful precog and other skills ( which would passively buff Shulk's stats like Def for e.g ) and his Monado Arts like Enchant ( to boost his overall DPS ), Eater ( Remove buffs on Joker while also healing Shulk ) and Armour ( Reduces incoming damage by 75% ) gives the Shulk the narrow victory for me. ( Before the Revisions where Shulk will likely get upgraded to 2-C and possibly 2-A if our suspicions are true though seems iffy rn )
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I forgot to mention the Pierce status in Xenoblade, which works similarly to almighty attacks by disregarding ether defense and physical defense and there's also a gem that can null the Pierce effect so using almighty attacks could still be a little tricky for Joker.
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Joker's omnipotent orb isn't stated to be used in this battle specifically
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We should probably ask him then.
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I just asked him on his message wall
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I believe Shulk's immunization skill is a skill from his skill tree in xenoblade, here's a link to the skills https://xenoblade.fandom.com/wiki/Shulk#Skill_treesBware1 said:
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Well almighty ignores Special defenses. Even barriers get bypassed. So idk if it's entirely comparable from what you've described
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Well almighty ignores Special defenses. Even barriers get bypassed. So idk if it's entirely comparable from what you've described
Even if Shulk has his shield or armor art activated, Pierce bypasses ether and physical defense if he doesn't have the gem equipped.
Even if Shulk has his shield or armor art activated, Pierce bypasses ether and physical defense if he doesn't have the gem equipped.
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Well, it's been a day and he still hasn't replied to his message wall.
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Yeah, it's probably a stomp if Joker gets his omnipotent orb.
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Nevermind, I once again looked at the Xenoblade wiki and found the status effect "Damage Immunity", which is very similar to Joker's Omnipotent Orb. Certain enemies in the game can activate Damage Immunity with a move called "Barrier", which in turn can be taken away with Monado Eater, which disables all buffs, while doing damage to the target.
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From what I can tell, both the omnipotent orb and the Damage Immunity status nullify all forms of incoming damage, so they're similar in that regard.
