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Zeno (Dragon Ball Super) tier discussion

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This thread will be very important I think. Here we will discuss how Zeno's tier should be

My initial observation: The 12 Universe were not shown to share same spacetime. They were portrayed as spherical orbs, each of them separate.

Then again, there's no proof Zeno can destroy spacetime, so how he destroys all 12 universe in 1 attack is a mystery.

My proposal for Zeno's tier- 3-A. Unknown, Possibly 2-C

Please share your opinion, Also please DO NOT create the profile page before a consensus is reached. No point in creating profiles with unknowns stats
 
I think that he is the actual creator of the 12 universes

But I also think we should wait until he show some feats or something
 
"Unknown. At least 3-A, possibly 2-C" sounds great to me @Faisal
 
makes sense

I think we should wait to hear if Zeno created all 12 universes also, as then he would have had to make the space-time. So this is good until we confirmation.
 
I would back your proposal. He's clearly above Beerus and Champa thus 3-A and taking into account the hype/statements at least puts Tier 2 on the board until it is cleared up later.
 
It was stated he could wipe out all 12 universes in the blink of an eye if he felt like it but if he destroys space wasn't stated though but he should at the very least be 3-A, hmm i agree with your proposal of At least 3-A, Possibly 2-C. Just 3-A might be more accurate though
 
I think putting him "At least 3-A, Possibly 2-C" is a good compromise for now. We can always change it later depending on what happens.
 
At least 3-A, possibly 2-C
This sounds good to me, just in case if each universe contains its own space-time, or if they are linked together through a single timeline.
 
Maybe for justification of the stat something along the lines of (It was stated that he can effortlessly wipe out all 12 universes. Whether he can destroy the space-time is unknown currently, although given the way the universes are layed out separately, it's possible)
 
Ryukama said:
"Unknown. At least 3-A, possibly 2-C" sounds great to me @Faisal
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^ Basically this.

Zeno is stated to be able to destroy all 12 Universes, but we don't know if that includes space-time or not.

If it doesn't include space-time, then it's 3-A. If it does, then it's 2-C.
 
Faisal Shourov said:
My initial observation: The 12 Universe were not shown to share same spacetime. They were portrayed as spherical orbs, each of them separate.

Then again, there's no proof Zeno can destroy spacetime, so how he destroys all 12 universe in 1 attack is a mystery.
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You can be 3-A and still have multi-universal range. Also, Universes sharing a space-time is a higher dimensional construct. Where's the evidence of tier 2?
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
You can be 3-A and still have multi-universal range. Also, Universes sharing a space-time is a higher dimensional construct. Where's the evidence of tier 2?
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There's no evidence, that's why I put Unknown before 2-C.
 
TheMightyRegulator said:
Faisal Shourov said:
My initial observation: The 12 Universe were not shown to share same spacetime. They were portrayed as spherical orbs, each of them separate.

Then again, there's no proof Zeno can destroy spacetime, so how he destroys all 12 universe in 1 attack is a mystery.
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You can be 3-A and still have multi-universal range. Also, Universes sharing a space-time is a higher dimensional construct. Where's the evidence of tier 2?
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Because there's the fact all 12 universes might not share the same space-time, so that's why he listed it as "Possibly 2-C."
 
Even if he created the 12 universes one of the largest factors i see is we don't know how long it took for him to create them. Was it ever confirmed how long it took to create the db verse?
 
Disagree with having "At least" before the 3-A, at least for the moment. That makes it seem like Zeno is likely High 3-A/has infinite 3-D power, which being able to destroy the space of 12 universes isn't even close to. However, since the other option is 2-C, I'd think it should go be "3-A, possibly 2-C".
 
But what comes before existence? If he created the 12 universes, and they are the extent of known reality, then yes, he created space-time.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Disagree with having "At least" before the 3-A, at least for the moment. That makes it seem like Zeno is likely High 3-A/has infinite 3-D power, which being able to destroy the space of 12 universes isn't even close to. However, since the other option is 2-C, I'd think it should go be "3-A, possibly 2-C".
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Alrighty, I will edit again :p
 
The Queen Diclonius said:
But what comes before existence? If he created the 12 universes, and they are the extent of known reality, then yes, he created space-time.
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We don't know if he created the space-time of said universes, though.
 
Azathoth the Abyssal Idiot said:
Disagree with having "At least" before the 3-A, at least for the moment. That makes it seem like Zeno is likely High 3-A/has infinite 3-D power, which being able to destroy the space of 12 universes isn't even close to. However, since the other option is 2-C, I'd think it should go be "3-A, possibly 2-C".
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i agree witrh Aza but Super Shenlong must be 2-C.
 
The Queen Diclonius said:
Because there's the fact all 12 universes might not share the same space-time, so that's why he listed it as "Possibly 2-C."
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I've already addressed this. What was suggested seems fine.
 
We dont know if zeno created the universes or if he just rules them but he is stated to be able to destroy them, here is what i think for the time being until we get more evidence place him at 3-A anything else will just be relying on too many assumptions and guesstimates.
 
Are we sure this guy is even strong yet? Monaco shows us that we can't assume yet. I think unknown, likely 3A, possibly 2C is the most appropriate.
 
Heh. Would be a lie but given that this was said by Beerus himself, that might not be the case of such, eh?

Hmm.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Heh. Would be a lie but given that this was said by Beerus himself, that might not be the case of such, eh?
Hmm.
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Dont think beerus is lying beerus and champa were scared out of their minds of zeno and has we have seen from beerus and champa they are really cocky and arrogant if they stronger than him they would have no reason to be afriad of him.
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Heh. Would be a lie but given that this was said by Beerus himself, that might not be the case of such, eh?
Hmm.
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His and Champa's reactions also back it up lol
 
Hey come on dammit~ Jesus~ mmmmmmmmm......~

Well anyways, i....guess we can go by Faisal's proposal if what Beerus himself said is true....yeah?
 
CrossverseCrisis said:
Hey come on dammit~ Jesus~ mmmmmmmmm......~
Well anyways, i....guess we can go by Faisal's proposal if what Beerus himself said is true....yeah?
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D-Did....You just moan?
 
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