Isaac AP problem

I don't know this verse, just saw it and it looks wrong

Isaac is listed as High 4-C via summoning a girl that can turn into a sun and being probably stronger than his summon. However, isn't that a 4-C feat? It just links to a video and not a calc, so it didn't get to High 4-C off of one of those, and just being stronger isn't really enough to tier jump like that.

Took me a minute to find everything, sorry about the wait. Everyhing about the High 4-C comes from the animation itself, which is why it's linked.

The CRTs here where it ended up being discussed:

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/1437549

https://vsbattles.com/vsbattles/2278845

Unfortunately not everything in both threads is relevant, a variety of things are talked about, but to get to the gist of it. Iris herself explodes in a very supernova-like way that eclipses a bunch of nearby planets in some sort of system to even form the star in the first place, plus in the tail end of the animations for both the original animation and the Dark Dawn animation the created star seems to start exploding again after the victim is thrown into it. In GS 2 the animation is a lot more...vauge, but the details seem to match pretty well with what happens in GS3, just limitations of the time and the GBA. So it was accepted that Iris clocks in at around the baseline for explosions like this, 1 FOE.

Isaac and the gang not only have to wield that power, but they also would go up against foes that would end up dwarfing Iris, and then they got a big power up via the Golden Sun (which is it's own can of worms). So they've outscaled Iris herself in more ways than one.

TLDR: Iris herself blows up and eclipses a bunch of planets in the process, then makes a star with that energy, then the star seems the blow up, and Isaac is DEFINATELY stronger than Iris through a bunch of scaling and a big powerup.

Original GBA animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NQn79bl6-y4

Updated DS animation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VwT8qhVFLQ&feature=youtu.be&t=748

Pretty much what XitSign said. Iris explodes into a Supernova before forming a large far away sun, which would at least be a FOE and Large Star level. It's also something the combined might of 13 Djinn can perform regularly so the combined party having 72 Djinn should be above that. It's similar to how the FFVIII cast scale from Eden (Final Fantasy). And yeah, Isaac and the party do trade blows with entities who would be noticeably above Iris such as Doom Dragon and Dullahan. And this is all before the party are amped up by the Golden Sun, making their powers even more impressive.

I was also going to eventually use the feat to upgrade the cast to the Massively FTL to Massively FTL+ range since Iris also flies at said speeds before that happens. I should also note that there is lore that Weyard is like way bigger than the Earth, making all the feats even more impressive.

We should look into cleaning some of the desciptions on the GS pages to make things clearer for the future. Pretty much every GS thread since the upgrade and updates people have been asking a lot of questions and getting confused about thier pages, especially with how strong Iris is supposed to be. I don't think a thread has gone by yet without someone saying "Oh, so they're baseline" when seeing the description that Iris "Makes a bright star" When more than that is going on in the attack...and the gang scales to things above it.

Yeah, she flat out becomes a Supernova, which is a Foe. And yeah, they should probably be MFTL+, with like the Iris feat and then use the Meteor summon for support and maybe that one Galaxy Slash thing where it shows them going to space.

That works out for AP, just make sure to have someone clarify the wording.

I have updated the wording for each of the profiles; and as I said, I will calc Iris' speed feat later, but I'd prefer to do it on a day where I don't have to go to work.

I made the speed calc here, and I posted it in the evaluations thread. Hopefully it gets accepted.