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Dante (Devil May Cry) vs Kratos (God of War)

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Sin Devil Trigger Dante.

Power of Hope Kratos.

They have access to all weapons/items from all their games.

3-A and Speed Equalized.

Dante: 0 ()

Kratos: 0 ()

Inconclusive: 16 (Tony di bugalu, Xmark12, ABoogieYesSir, Dienomite22, Dante Demon Killah, Theglassman12, CrimsonStarFallen, Paul Frank, Kepekley23, TISSG7Redgrave, RebubleUselet, DragonEmperor23, Xtasyamphetamine, KnightOfSunlight, DarkGrath, Jimboydejuan12)

Kratos color by ca5per-d5ezxa3
DMC5 Dante Render
 
It's from the Beastheads which transforms and morph the body into a stone necklace of the Beastheads, it's probably the Reality Warping part of resistance.Basically petricfication through Reality Warping, unless petrification/transmutation resistence hasn't been added yet.
 
If it's GoW3, I see it as an inconclusive match.

It all depends on who pulls the killing hax first, which is hard to answer.
 
If it's anything besides end of GOW3/power of Hope Kratos then it's a stomp for Dante for durability bypass and regen negation.What does Kratos usually start with and what can he use against Dante to hurt or prevent him from doing something?
 
@Kepe there's also the whole hax resistance that might determine who has the edge here
 
Its power of hope with all powers and abilties from previous games according to op
 
Dienomite22 said:
@Paul Frank
Only weapons and items from previous games, not powers or abilities
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Well most of their abilities come from using weapons/items rather than themself.
 
1st link which explains that Ducas comepletely made up of stone: http://oi63.tinypic.com/2hqx8i8.jpg

2nd link explains that the Beastheads inside Ducas's body are transforming Ducas into the Beastheads meaning that the Beastheads caused the Petrification or transmutation: http://oi65.tinypic.com/243qpua.jpg

Chen puts the Beastheads inside Dante's body but due to Dante being a demon he resists all of the Beastheads Reality Warping,Petrification(or transmutation), Soul absorption and other it's other abilities.
 
Don't the gorgons resist petrification too

Kratos can still petrify them
 
Well according to the exact words of the novel demons are immune to the effects of the Beastheads which would mean Petrification/transmutation, though it does sound like Petrification through Reality Warping due to Ducas being alive but made up entirely of stone, so Idk.
 
Kinda both, the stone is apart of the transmutation.Whenever the Beastheads enters the body wether it be by (injection or consumption) it transforms the body into the Beastheads which would be transmutation with some level of Reality Warping but it goes through stages of sort which would be:

"Petrification" or the part where the body is turned to stone

Comeplete body transformation and size altering (changes the "stone" person's stone body into a 3 headed dog and reduces the size of it to fit a necklace)

Soul absorption (this ones placement is kind of a guess but it's only shown/spoken about once the user fully becomes the Beasthead)

Edit:Didn't know having resistance to Transmutation means you negate Petrification, so it's possible that Dante might negate Petrification by being resistant(or immune) to Transmutation
 
Vergil told Dante to get "strong" by resting, that proves that Dante cannot regen from a fight between someone as powerful as he is nor fight at the same pace as before. Kratos, on the other hand, could restore his full potential mid fight when fighting someone as powerful as him. Kratos has a better track record in terms of durability/endurance. Kratos fought Zeus more than once in a short period of time without being tired, when Dante fought the first foe who was really close to his own level (Urizen) he basically had no gas left to fight against Vergil.

Kratos is truly immortal, and will walk the Earth forever no matter what.

I don't think that Dante could one shot Kratos, nor Kratos one shot Dante. But Kratos has better feats and better gear for this battle. Kratos basically have the same abilities to a greater extent, like the Amulet of Uroborus being far superior to Quicksilver.
 
Theglassman12 said:
Dante resist time manipulation, so the Amulet won't work on him
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And neither would Quicksilver work on Kratos. That's basically what I was trying to say, Kratos has the same abilities to a greater extent. While Dante has two Royal Guards, Kratos also have two items/weapons that can counter and reflect attacks. He can also create a clone of himself using the Stone of Orkus just like Dante's Doppelganger.

I'll vote for Kratos because of his durability/endurance feats being far superior to Dante's.
 
@XVulkano

Dante didn't rest in his time between fight meeting Vergil and fighting him, he climb for around 40 minutes while continuely fighting demons and Dante has multiple showings proving his regen isn't taxed by his stamina and even if you consider that to be true then you would have to accept that a tired and worn out DMC3 Dante and Vergil can easily survive and instantly regen from bisections.Urizen wasn't on Dante's level, according to the devs during GDC Dante obliterates Urizen's first and second form.Dante's time manipulation will work on Kratos, he can slow down time on beings who are immune to time stop and time slow like Vergil and Urizen.

Dante's only real issue with Kratos is his resurrection which he can deal with by Sealing.
 
And Krato's fleece and shield are not at all comparable or even come close to Royal Guard when it comes to countering and reflecting attacks.Also, Kratos usage of Oath Stone of Orkus in battle is only for 1 to 2 second attacks from his doppelganger unlike Dante which is essentially another Dante that fights along side him.
 
Vergil clearly says "Heal your wounds, Dante. Get strong", after he even says "After that, we'll settle the matter".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jBnEKfBW7M - Dante and Vergil's first clash. Put on the 11:39 mark and see the little sword pushing fight.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UF16doPEwXE - Dante and Vergil's last clash. Put on the 1:10 mark and see the little sword pushing fight.

You can clearly tell the difference between these two. Dante can be wounded and he'll need time to recover from it.

Like I said (and you know), Dante never really face enemies as powerful as himself, it's like saying that Goku wouldn't recover from a fight against Vegeta just because some Saibamen got on his way. Those demons Dante fought while climbing weren't nearly as powerful to make him tire. We saw Dante tired in different moments, just watch some scenes of Vergil vs Dante in hell.

"That proves that Dante cannot regen from a fight between someone as powerful as he is nor fight at the same pace as before." I meant Kratos, but ok.

If the devs said that, then Kratos might stomp even harder than before, because Dante is clearly wounded and tired from the fight against Urizen.

Nope, it would not. The Amulet of Uroborus has the power to manipulate time in numerous ways, from decaying or rebuilding different structures, to even slowing down time. The Amulet of Fates grants Kratos the ability to slow down time around his vicinity. Kratos has two ways to also slow down time. Vergil is not Kratos, the GoW universe is not the DMC universe, let's take this into account.
 
Dienomite22 said:
And Krato's fleece and shield are not at all comparable or even come close to Royal Guard when it comes to countering and reflecting attacks.Also, Kratos usage of Oath Stone of Orkus in battle is only for 1 to 2 second attacks from his doppelganger unlike Dante which is essentially another Dante that fights along side him.
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The Golden Fleece can be used to counter and reflect Zeus' attacks on GoW 3. I never actually played Ascension but I'll take your statement as true (that the Oath Stone only lasts 1 - 2 seconds).
 
@XVulkano

I already know what Vergil said but it isn't consistant with the rest of the series nor does it make sense within DMC5 with WoG stating Dante having no trouble defeating Urizen 1 and 2 and everything in between and Dante having been shown previously in the series to easily regenerate despite being tired and facing opponents equal or superior to him.DMC5 is an outlier here.

I wasn't applying DMC universe logic to GoW universe or Kratos.Dante can slow down time for Vergil and Urizen, one of which was given "immunity" to time stop and both were shown and stated to be comepletely unaffected by regular time slow in game, meaning Dante being able to slow time for both of them shows the potency of his time manipulation
 
XVulkano said:
The Golden Fleece can be used to counter and reflect Zeus' attacks on GoW 3. I never actually played Ascension but I'll take your statement as true (that the Oath Stone only lasts 1 - 2 seconds).
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Royal Guard is used to counter/block/deflect/reflect everything under the Sun including attacks from being comparable or superior to Dante, even auras,durablity negating attacks, non-physical/intangible attacks/vibrations and much more.
 
When Dante fought Vergil in their final battle in DMC3, they were still healing their wounds mid-battle even when they had low stamina. They were about equal in power at that point.

Frankly the statement by Vergil in DMC5 contradicts what was shown before.
 
DMC in general never had a consistent power level, I know that, but I'll take the game into account, I would never take the dev statement seriously when the game itself contradicts it. IIRC Dante never fought someone as powerful as himself besides his brother, never really got gravely injured and recovered from it with ease. Argosax was defeated by Dante's base form, and he's basically equal to Mundus.

I understand that you weren't, but we can't measure how strong Kratos' time stop would be. Quicksilver is very powerful, I just don't think it's enough to affect Kratos since he also have two artifacts that does the same thing, and resistance to time stop. I think that the Time Manipulation thing is just inconclusive.

Zeus is at least more powerful than the whole DMC universe with scalling alone. Reflecting Zeus' attacks is a more impressive feat.
 
Xmark12 said:
When Dante fought Vergil in their final battle in DMC3, they were still healing their wounds mid-battle even when they had low stamina. They were about equal in power at that point.
Frankly the statement by Vergil in DMC5 contradicts what was shown before.
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We're talking about the franchise that did this:

DMC 2 base form Dante killed Argosax

Sparda needed help to seal Argosax away

If Sparda failed to kill Argosax and base form Dante did, this could only mean that DMC 2 base form Dante > Sparda

But only when Dante achieved his Sin Devil Trigger it is stated that he might have surpassed Sparda

Also, Dante wasn't able to recover from his first fight against Urizen, he literally passed out for a month or so. Itsuno, the creator, still says that Mundus is still the most powerful being in the DMC universe, the dude didn't even consider Dante beating Alternate Mundus who was stronger than his normal self. And then he proceeds to say that Argosax and Mundus are equal in the DMC Story video by saying "not even a Demon King with power equal to that of Mundus could match Dante anymore". You got my point.
 
DMC5 itself doesn't contradict the WoG, we see SDT Dante destroy Urizen 1 and Base Dante fight Urizen 2 according to the cutscenes show Dante not at all tired or damage after fighting Urizen 2 (he leaves with the same level of "damage" and dirt covering him as he entered), even without the WoG we can determine either Vergil's words don't add up or the entire thing was an outlier to push out another mission to fight V's summons.

Quicksilver isn't what I'm talking about here, DMC5 SDT has time slow and unless I see Kratos resists the level of time slow that Dante can produce I can't see how he resist it.

I really doubt it and it depends on how big the scaling chain is.

The Sparda who needed help sealing Argosax was a Sparda with only 1/4 of his power.Dante with only the sword of Sparda stomped Mundus.

The scaling chain is something like this (stolen from DMUA and slightly altered) DMC 5 Dante at the end=Vergil>>>>>>Urizen Pos-Fruit>>>>>>>>>>Urizen Pre-Fruit>>>>>>>>>DMC 5 Dante at start=>DMC 4 Dante>>>DMC 2 Dante>Chen with Absorbed Beastheads>DMC2 Volume 2 Dante>>>>Void Mundus>>>Mundus=Argosax=Qliphoth, Despair Embodied>>>Argosax the Chaos>Pluto>>baseline 3A

Also, Dante can Royal Guard against characters with massively superior AP against him
 
There's a moment in the Vergil vs Dante fight where Dante and Vergil says something along the lines of "time to end this" and they proceed to tap into Devil Trigger, like that was the moment where they got serious. But before that, Vergil used his DT and Dante too (depending of the player's choice) mid fight, that doesn't count towards the narrative? I'm not trying to be sarcastic or ironic, it's a real doubt of my own.

That's the main issue here with the Time Manupulation thing: we don't know how powerful Kratos' resistance is nor how powerful are his artifacts. I'm not really the specialist here (as you already noted).

Sparda's story lacks information. Sparda sealed himself. How did he escape? Why did he escape his own sealing?

Sparda splited his power into three pieces, and he used those artifacts, the Force Edge, Rebellion and Yamato, Sparda was the original owner and actually used all of them. It brings me to the next point: why would Sparda lose power if he had those artifacts? Dante used the Sparda as his source of power to defeat Mundus, Sparda used Yamato as his personal sword, we don't know what he did with Rebellion, but still.

The problem with the Argosax sealing thing: It is explicitly said that Sparda needed help to seal Argosax. If Sparda only had 1/4 of his power and couldn't perform the seal alone, how could he protect all of them from Argosax while performing the seal if Argosax is equal to Mundus and the author states that Mundus is the most powerful being? All of this while they're all probably in hell.

Again, Dante never fought someone as powerful as himself besides his brother, never really got gravely injured and recovered from it with ease. He was tired after fighting a lower being.

The most impressive DMC universe feat is the shaking the universe thing Dante once did.

Zeus is stronger than the guy that can lift the whole universe. Stronger than the guy who can damage the World Pillar. Stronger than the being that created the universe. Hyperion's spear could bear the weight of the Cosmos and still he's basically nothing compared to Zeus, there's a lot more. That's why I see reflecting Zeus' attacks as more impressive.
 
Thing is, the universe level feats are all baseline, however because there's a huge scaling line (DMC 5 Dante at the end=Vergil>>>>>>Urizen Pos-Fruit>>>>>>>>>>Urizen Pre-Fruit>>>>>>>>>DMC 5 Dante at start=>DMC 4 Dante>>>DMC 2 Dante>Chen with Absorbed Beastheads>DMC2 Volume 2 Dante>>>>Void Mundus>>>Mundus=Argosax=Qliphoth, Despair Embodied>>>Argosax the Chaos>Pluto>>baseline 3A), Dante is deceptively much more powerful than he looks and shows.
 
The "time to end this" thing was in the cutscene after the fight, when Vergil inevitable goes DT Dante is says "it's just about time to settle this" and Vergil replies "that's right, c'mon" and then he DT's.I'm not saying this particular instance doesn't count to the narrative but it perfectly fits with Dante's regen not being affected by stamina.

That's why we go off of what is shown, if Kratos time manipulation resists hasn't been shown to resist the level of time manipulation that Dante has then it's fair to assume it will work on him.We can't ignore the possibility of Dante's time manipulation working on Kratos just because we don't know the level of time manipulation he can resist.

"How did he escape?" He didn't seal himself, he stayed in the Human World sealing away various portals.

"How did he escape his own sealing?" He didn't seal himself, only his power inside the Force Edge

"why would Sparda lose power if he had those artifacts?" once again his main power source Sparda was used to seal the Demon World.

"If Sparda only had 1/4 of his power and couldn't perform the seal alone, how could he protect all of them from Argosax while performing the seal if Argosax is equal to Mundus and the author states that Mundus is the most powerful being? All of this while they're all probably in hell." Bolded was never stated and according to DMC twitter chair Urizen was stronger than Mundus.Alternate universe Mundus from the DMC2 novel was stronger than Mundus and Argosax which base DMC2 Dante annihilates, but to answer your question and correct your points, Sparda sealing Argosax happened on Dumary Island and you're assuming Sparda had to protect them during the sealing process.No bout was mentioned and if there were one they likely weren't involved but too much interpretation and headcanon is involved to when all we know is that Sparda couldn't seal Argosax by himself so I would just leave it at that.

Correction, Dante has fought people comeparable and superior to him before and regenerated just as easily, Chen from the novels is one example who was stated to be superior to Dante and Dante and Vergil in the middle of DMC3 being stated and shown to be tired in worned out also proves the DMC5 incident to be an outlier or interpreted wrongly.

No universe shaking feat ever happened, here's a blog showing feats which are all at the very least 2x above baseline 3A.

Not that that matters much here based off what I said.
 
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