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Scarlet Witch vs. Captain Marvel

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Scarlet Witch for the same reasons that others have stated. Their sheer raw power seems to be about equivalent, but Scarlet is a lot more hax. The ONLY possible way for Marvel to win is to somehow take advantage of Scarlet being a glass-cannon, but I honestly can't see her managing to get past Scarlet's psychic barriers to actually land a hit. So yeah, Scarlet wins.

This is done now that the last vote and my vote are in, Scarlet Witch now has 8 votes and Captain Marvel has 0. Let's start the grace-period.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
Poor Cpt. Marvel, if only she had better feats instead of simply going through ships.
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I dunno about that, Marvel has some really good feats. Raw power-wise, she seems to be about equal to Scarlet Witch in terms of actually-demonstrated feats; They both managed to single-handedly overwhelm Thanos in combat, and both of them seemed to do just about equally well against him in terms of raw power and durability; Wanda tanking Thanos' hits easily with her barriers seems to be about the same level of feat as Carol tanking his headbutt. And I highly suspect that if Wanda hadn't already broken Thanos' sword and armor, then Carol would have done so herself, given her demonstrated capability to no-sell an all-out headbutt from Thanos as if it were a mosquito bite, and the fact that her power should be on-par with her durability.

The big reason why Wanda wins this is because while her raw power and dura are about equal to Carol, her abilities are more versatile; Captain Marvel basically just has superhuman physical characteristics, aura, and very basic and predictable straight-line energy-blasts. As opposed to Wanda, who while wielding about the same level of power as Carol, has telekinesis with a wide area-of-effect and great precision (thus more versatile than Carol's energy-blasts), and also mind-hax. With power and dura pretty much equal, the victory is going to go to the person with more hax and versatility.
 
LephyrTheRevanchist said:
That's what I meant when I said "just going through ships".
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Lol yeah.

Gotta love how Marvel Studios constantly hyped Captain Marvel as "their most powerful hero" in their press-releases, only to then end up showing Scarlet Witch as clearly being just as powerful but also far more versatile than her. And NEITHER of them is as strong as Thor with Stormbreaker back when he was still in good shape and not an alcoholic yet; he managed to bust straight through an energy-blast from the COMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet, and nearly one-shot-kill Thanos in a single attack, which is more than either Captain Marvel or Scarlet Witch ended up being able to do.

Basically, there's no way that Captain Marvel is the "most powerful" MCU hero, no matter how many times Marvel Studios tries to claim that she is. Lol.
 
Goodyfresh said:
Gotta love how Marvel Studios constantly hyped Captain Marvel as "their most powerful hero" in their press-releases, only to then end up showing Scarlet Witch as clearly being just as powerful but also far more versatile than her.
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I guess they meant strongest as in pure strength, because Wanda is glass canon and only stronger due to her abilities. Strange is also a beast when it comes to hax.
 
Schnee One said:
Thor is not stronger then Scarlet witch at all
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I'm talking about Thor, with Stormbreaker, back when he was still buff during Infinity War. He definitely WAS even stronger than SW, at that point, based on the following feat:

The dude busted straight through an energy-blast and barrier from the COMPLETE Infinity Gauntlet, and very nearly one-shot-killed Thanos, who himself admitted that Thor would indeed have one-shot-killed him had he gone for the head (or the neck in order to decapitate him). No one else has had a feat THAT big against Thanos with the Gauntlet's powers; we have seen just how crazy Thanos' base-durability is from his fights with SW and Marvel in Endgame, and Thor in Infinity War using Stormbreaker had the power to penetrate that durability and kill Thanos, with one shot, even after already breaking through a blast and barrier from the complete Gauntlet.

Honestly, Thor doing that in Infinity War was the best feat in the entire MCU (even if it can only be quantified as a feat via scaling to another character) aside from people using the Gauntlet to Snap, Malekith going Universe-Tier, and Dormammu's very existence. That energy-blast and the barrier from the Complete Gauntlet had to be even a good deal more powerful than the Power-Stone-Punch that temporarily incapacitated Captain Marvel. Thor may still be High 6-B, but he is definitely FAR weaker now after letting himself go for the last five years. He had to be nerfed, really, to give other characters a chance to shine in this movie.
 
@Goodyfresh


You sure? I mean, even Iron Man could block a blast from the Power Stone (And Thanos still broke his armor very easily)

And in general, all characters that took blast of energy from the stones are High 6-B, AND Thanos was distracted at that moment.. I'm not saying that Thor was weak, just that his feat is not THAT impressive. He was the Strongest High 6-B sure, but still High 6-B
 
AidenBrooks999 said:
@Goodyfresh

You sure? I mean, even Iron Man could block a blast from the Power Stone (And Thanos still broke his armor very easily)

And in general, all characters that took blast of energy from the stones are High 6-B, AND Thanos was distracted at that moment.. I'm not saying that Thor was weak, just that his feat is not THAT impressive. He was the Strongest High 6-B sure, but still High 6-B
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"Distracted" or not, Thanos shot an energy blast from the COMPLETE Gauntlet, and Thor's axe-throw blew right through that blast and proceeded to nearly one-shot-kill Thanos. That is far more of a feat against Thanos than we have seen any other character exhibit besides Tony using the Gauntlet Snap. It's certainly even more of a feat against Thanos than we saw Captain Marvel or even Scarlet Witch exhibit. I don't know why anyone is even arguing with me about this, it should be completely obvious that Thor with Stormbreaker in Infinity War is the strongest of all the heroes ever in the MCU besides Peter Quill when he had his Celestial powers. We know for a fact that the power of the Complete Gauntlet is >>> than the power of any one Infinity Stone, and just the Power Stone on its own was enough to one-hit-K.O. Captain Marvel.

If it makes you feel any better, without Stormbreaker, Thor was certainly never as powerful as Captain Marvel or Scarlet Witch, both of whom fight entirely with their own powers, not needing a weapon to channel and enhance them. But the fact is that Thor DOES have Stormbreaker, and with it, he was supreme back before he became Lebowski.
 
I agree with Goddyfresh. Besides, Thor isn't a glass canon. To me, he is the most powerful superheroe of the MCU and behind him, there are SW, Marvel and Strange (and Strange has the potential to become the most powerful via magic).
 
Infinity War Thor would destroy every other Avenger with ease,except Doctor Strange (Time Stone GG) and would need some time to beat Wanda.

Wanda FRA.
 
Mainly because CM was repeatedly stated by KF and his staff to be the most powerful Avengers and hero while it's pretty clear she isn't.
 
AnonymousBlank said:
@Goodyfresh
I dunno why you are arguing this in a vs thread that doesn't involve Thor.
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I'm arguing it because somebody made the incorrect statement "Thor is not stronger than Scarlet Witch at all" in response to me making the casual observation that Thor in Infinity War is the strongest MCU hero; and I felt the need to correct their misconception. Then for some reason, some people felt the need to continue arguing with me about it, despite the fact that I had already proven my point based on feats and scaling, lol.

ALSO arguing this because, as ArkhamDC06 pointed out, "CM was repeatedly stated by KF and his staff to be the most powerful Avengers and hero while it's pretty clear she isn't." That's the main reason I wanted to point out Thor being the strongest: Because Marvel Studios keeps hyping Captain Marvel as being their "strongest," when she is very clearly weaker than both Scarlet Witch (as the result of this Vs-Thread proves, which is what prompted me to bring it up at all), and Thor with Stormbreaker when he was still buff. That is the original reason why I mentioned this at all: I was pointing out the irony that Captain Marvel is actually only the THIRD strongest MCU hero, despite the fact that Marvel/Disney keep hyping her as the strongest.

Anyway, this thread needs to be closed now anyways. Someone should do that.

Meanwhile, I am adding the battle and its result to both characters' pages, since no one else has done so yet and we are well past the grace-period.

Edit: I can't add this to Captain Marvel's profile because her profile is closed to edits, apparently! How can we get this added to her profile, should I tell someone like Antvasima or someone else "in charge" on this Wiki?
 
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