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New Power: Subjective Reality

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So I created the draft of a new power to add to the wiki: Subjective Reality. In short, the user control the line between what is real (truth, fact, axiom) and what is unreal (imagination, fantasy, illusion, dream), allowing it to bring nonexistence into reality and vice versa.

Applications vary from manifest objects and entities from imagination or fantasy into reality to "cheat" reality itself and undo/alter everything by making any event fiction.
 
Actually know someone that fits that bill perfectly.

What I'm not sure is if we need another ability that is just a different mechanism to reality warping. Application wise they are identical after all (every act of reality warping can be archieved through this and any action with this can be archieved through reality warping).


Neutral for now.
 
Issue is that Reality Warping is the power that cover the most broad amount of powers (you can say that even Spatial/Dimensional Manipulation is considered Reality Warping). This is a most specific power, whose natural is mess with the boundary of reality and unreality.
 
The fact that every other power is a subset of reality warping is correct.

However, in this case reality warping is also a subset of this power. It's essentially truth manipulation after all and as such every modification done by a reality warper can archieved through this by making the given modification truth and the opposite fiction.

For spatial manipulation that isn't the case, as there are things that you can do with reality warping that you can't do with spatial manipulation.

Given, this isn't the only ability for which that is the case. Concept Manipulation and Causality Manipulation in principle have the same inclusion. That's why the question is if we need >another< ability that is just a mechanism of reality warping.


I would say it depends if there are a relevant amount of users of the ability, for which the ability is more restricted than usual reality warping. For causality manipulation and concept manipulation many users don't have the abilities at a reality warping like level.
 
At lacks of more details, erasing someone from existance just cuz you consider it nonexistent sounds like Subjective Reality.

Don't known what can Barney do, doesn't he just exist in the kids mind?
 
Antoniofer said:
Don't known what can Barney do, doesn't he just exist in the kids mind?
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Not really, as we can see in the first episode that the kids just found him, rather than being an imaginary friend of the sort.
 
Not all of these powers can manipulate the aspects of reality, not how the "common" Reality Warper could do it: Danzo just negate damage and death by turning it into illusion, Nyarlathotep can bring gossips into reality, there's was a guy whose name do not remember that turns its target into illusions emulating EE, basically anyone with Immersion (power was going to be deleted, so I agree with Andy to merge it since the principle is the same).

Not all the uses involve Reality Warping, although stronger users could perform that.
 
This ability is fine to me. I don't think being a mechanism for achieving another ability is really a good reason to reject it imo.
 
I have a couple of question. For example an imaginary space was erased... What would that fall under???

and what would this qualify as???

"This place, which used to be only an imaginary number space for storing malignant information, was established as real number space in past, present, and future"
 
Mmm, first sounds like... Erasing and a nonexistent space? I don't quite understand to be honest, what character does this, or what verse is that?

This sounds to refer to imaginary and real numbers, that is more related to Mathematical Manipulation, but I unknown the context.
 
Antoniofer said:
Mmm, first sounds like... Erasing and a nonexistent space? I don't quite understand to be honest, what character does this, or what verse is that?
This sounds to refer to imaginary and real numbers, that is more related to Mathematical Manipulation, but I unknown the context.
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Its BB fate/extra CCC
 
I'm not into Type-Moon to determinate how does the nature of the power(s) works, but at stare it do not sounds like Subjective Reality, not from that short explaination.
 
Question, what would the ability to draw a monster and bring it to life that Morgana possesses be? Subjective reality or transmutation?
 
Do you mean the possible uses? BB can do any of them by manipulating the reality/fantasy boundary?

EDIT: Oh, meant typos, yes, I tend to perform few mistakes whwn writing, more than most people here actually.
 
Antoniofer said:
Do you mean the possible uses? BB can do any of them by manipulating the reality/fantasy boundary?
EDIT: Oh, meant typos, yes, I tend to perform few mistakes whwn writing, more than most people here actually.
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I feel your pain lol. When i type fast i make a lot of typo's, or no coherent sense at all lol.

but yeah there is some typo's in there lol

Edit: Question, what does turning reality into an imaginary space count as???
 
In the way Sai (Naruto) does? Yes, that would be Animation, as Elizhaa said, a mix between Creation and Life Manipulation, as you create the draw in a conventional way and then grants it life. Subjective Reality is like creating/summoning from the fantasy/dream/illusion world.
 
Transmutate reality into fiction would qualify as SR, like regressing someone back to its house by turning its journey into unreality, or "resurrecting" someone by turning its death into fiction, these type of reality aspects.
 
Oryx, the Taken King

I'm fine with this sort of "truth manipulation" power, considering that it can manifest in a lot of different ways so having the blanket is nice.
 
Antoniofer said:
Transmutate reality into fiction would qualify as SR, like regressing someone back to its house by turning its journey into unreality, or "resurrecting" someone by turning its death into fiction, these type of reality aspects.
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something like this...? [[http:// https://i.imgur.com/qULijmn.jpg https://i.imgur.com/qULijmn.jpg] ] if so.. id find some knowledgable members to look at it and get their take on it...
 
Elizhaa said:
Now, I think about it the ability is really close to Plot Manipulation and Causality Manipulation.
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Yep, I check pretty much everything feat under Causality Manipulation.

Summary
The user can redirect any cause to any effect, undo anything by inverting the relation cause/effect, or even separate them entirely, making a specific effect impossible to be caused or a specific cause not producing any effect.

This allows one to achieve virtually anything by redirecting the selected cause to the desired effect. A finger snap which normally causes sound and kinetic force could instead cause a sun explosion or a massive resurrection. The user could also instantly erase anything from existence, by making its existence the cause of it's own nonexistence. Another possibility is the instant rewriting of a whole reality, by making Reality X (the current reality) the cause of Reality Y (a tailor-made one).

At high level, the user would be able to rewrite the laws of causality as a whole, essentially playing God.

Possible Uses

 
Just to make sure, does being able to manipulate reality to match perceptions such as "becoming the one true God" and "all other gods are below me" like SMT's YHVH, or debasing these truths like Messiahs count as this?
 
Causality manipulation is nearly as versatile as reality warping tho. And besides, redundancy is not really a actual reason to deny a power.
 
Yobo Blue said:
Just to make sure, does being able to manipulate reality to match perceptions such as "becoming the one true God" and "all other gods are below me" like SMT's YHVH, or debasing these truths like Messiahs count as this?
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Pretty sure this because of Conceptual Manipulation because all demons have Abstract Existence (Type 2).

SmT Demons Gods' Causality Manipulation and Fate Manipulation are from these (Far superior to the likes of the Norns, whose influence over Time and Fate bounds even Demons who exist beyond all of space and time)
 
Their powers are not from that, the powers in question are Observation, which are exclusive to a select few.
 
Interesting. I think that Subjective Reality doesn't deserve to have its own page. Rather, it can be moved into Reality Warping's applications as a pageless item.
 
The God Of Procrastination said:
Is Takumi Nishijou relevant?
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As far I known, he is an illusion created for someone else but can also manifest his imagination into the real world, so it seems like it but I unknown other details.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
Would Iihiko's powerset kinda fit here?
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His power sounds like he rather ignore/ do not gives relevance to attacks that straight up make them fiction/imaginary; innother hand there's much I do not known about MB.
 
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