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Swords (Zoro vs Sion) (grace)
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Okay Okay, let me throw my cents here into the pan.
So if we're comparing AP, Zoro should be leading with his 57 Megatons compared to Sion who I asuumed to be stronger than 34.05 Megatons if she compared to Pray Master. Zoro has Asura, which can triple his strength, but if that is allow then he be at Mountain level, so push that to the side. He has another Stat Amps in the form of increasing his muscle mass, so he is technically more stronger than 57 Megatons. This is a disadvantage to Sion.
In terms of abilities. Sion's Forcefield Negation....idk how this works because technically Busoshoku Haki is a forcefield creation so maybe she can nullify it. So this is probably a disadvantage to Zoro if that is the case. Moving on, Zoro has a resistance to Gravity Manipulation so that will help him against Sion's Gravity Dance. With Observation Haki, Zoro has the potential to be able to handle a Danmaku attack.
Sion is an accomplished Sword Saint and with her Power Mimicry, she can copy Zoro's fighting styles and by which, I believe that she can use that to predict his movements. But Zoro can counter with Observation Haki, but it will still be tough.
A slight disadvantage for Sion I see is that of the range. Since Zoro has the biggest range with hundred of meters compared to that of Sion's best range of tens of meters, they will start at Zoro's range. Where he can launch attacks at her from a great distance. Though Sion could counter Zoro's Air Manipulation attacks with her Forcefield Creation and force a direction confrontation or use her Danmaku to disoriented her opponent. However, she has to be careful since Zoro is packing a lot of strength and he has shown to be able shrug off attacks from those lower than him with utter ease.
I don't know how Pray Style will interact with Zoro's Three Sword Style, but I leave this for other who know the verse to answer for me since I don't know much about Pray Style.
I vote for Master fisher (that is Zoro I assume) for now.
EDIT: Zoro doesn' have Reistance to Gravity Manipulation but he has shown to be able to somewhat move under unknown amount of gravity pressure - https://imgur.com/a/xDWdy, but this is coming from a guy who can exert enough gravity manipulation to bring down a meteor).
So if we're comparing AP, Zoro should be leading with his 57 Megatons compared to Sion who I asuumed to be stronger than 34.05 Megatons if she compared to Pray Master. Zoro has Asura, which can triple his strength, but if that is allow then he be at Mountain level, so push that to the side. He has another Stat Amps in the form of increasing his muscle mass, so he is technically more stronger than 57 Megatons. This is a disadvantage to Sion.
In terms of abilities. Sion's Forcefield Negation....idk how this works because technically Busoshoku Haki is a forcefield creation so maybe she can nullify it. So this is probably a disadvantage to Zoro if that is the case. Moving on, Zoro has a resistance to Gravity Manipulation so that will help him against Sion's Gravity Dance. With Observation Haki, Zoro has the potential to be able to handle a Danmaku attack.
Sion is an accomplished Sword Saint and with her Power Mimicry, she can copy Zoro's fighting styles and by which, I believe that she can use that to predict his movements. But Zoro can counter with Observation Haki, but it will still be tough.
A slight disadvantage for Sion I see is that of the range. Since Zoro has the biggest range with hundred of meters compared to that of Sion's best range of tens of meters, they will start at Zoro's range. Where he can launch attacks at her from a great distance. Though Sion could counter Zoro's Air Manipulation attacks with her Forcefield Creation and force a direction confrontation or use her Danmaku to disoriented her opponent. However, she has to be careful since Zoro is packing a lot of strength and he has shown to be able shrug off attacks from those lower than him with utter ease.
I don't know how Pray Style will interact with Zoro's Three Sword Style, but I leave this for other who know the verse to answer for me since I don't know much about Pray Style.
I vote for Master fisher (that is Zoro I assume) for now.
EDIT: Zoro doesn' have Reistance to Gravity Manipulation but he has shown to be able to somewhat move under unknown amount of gravity pressure - https://imgur.com/a/xDWdy, but this is coming from a guy who can exert enough gravity manipulation to bring down a meteor).
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Zoro hasn't shown the capability to use forcefields with his Haki yet.
Neither he has resistance to Gravity Manipulation.
Neither he has resistance to Gravity Manipulation.
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Huh, I forgot about that Resistance to Gravity Manipulation was removed from Zoro's page. My bad on that part.
And for the Forcefield, I'm talking about the basic Forcefield Creation that basic user can use to "cover segments of their body with "invisible armor" capable of withstanding incoming attacks that their bodies would normally be unable to block".
And for the Forcefield, I'm talking about the basic Forcefield Creation that basic user can use to "cover segments of their body with "invisible armor" capable of withstanding incoming attacks that their bodies would normally be unable to block".
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Right, forgot that was added. That's fair.
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I will argue about this extensivly later, gonna throw in some stats for people first.
AP: Sion is > Ray Zail, who called Anne physically average at best, who is = 34,05 Megatons, so yes, Sion scales above it, but with a pretty small scaling chain.
Skill: Sions raw combat skill is below Anne and Pray, but her sword skills utterly dwarves them in finesse, beauty and effectivness. It was in fact so great that she was the very first to ever be called Sword Saint. In a war that goes on for hundreds of years.
Durability: As a nobility of Zail, she scales to Pray, who could face tank Anne's bloodlusted attacks. Add that to her DC Coat giving her another layer of city level dura. This should sponge Zoros AP advantage quite a bit.
Her Hax: Sion uses her Gravity hax more to amp her own strikes, stomps and jumps and less on other as she fights against things that walk past it via sheer ap. Her AB Swords passivly neggs barriers, both unnatural ones like machine produced ones and biologicaly produced barriers. Her power mimicry not only copys the skill but applys her experience like "She did it a 1000 times herself", granting her absurdly good controll over her copied ability. Her Danmaku is a mod of her sword. She splits its blade into 100's of smaller bits and strike with them and throw them at her opponent. The actual sword turns into a whipp sword.
AP: Sion is > Ray Zail, who called Anne physically average at best, who is = 34,05 Megatons, so yes, Sion scales above it, but with a pretty small scaling chain.
Skill: Sions raw combat skill is below Anne and Pray, but her sword skills utterly dwarves them in finesse, beauty and effectivness. It was in fact so great that she was the very first to ever be called Sword Saint. In a war that goes on for hundreds of years.
Durability: As a nobility of Zail, she scales to Pray, who could face tank Anne's bloodlusted attacks. Add that to her DC Coat giving her another layer of city level dura. This should sponge Zoros AP advantage quite a bit.
Her Hax: Sion uses her Gravity hax more to amp her own strikes, stomps and jumps and less on other as she fights against things that walk past it via sheer ap. Her AB Swords passivly neggs barriers, both unnatural ones like machine produced ones and biologicaly produced barriers. Her power mimicry not only copys the skill but applys her experience like "She did it a 1000 times herself", granting her absurdly good controll over her copied ability. Her Danmaku is a mod of her sword. She splits its blade into 100's of smaller bits and strike with them and throw them at her opponent. The actual sword turns into a whipp sword.
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Okay after reading both sides of the argument it's my turn.
She seems to be more skilled than Zoro, but should be only by a small margin (I don't know the skill feats of those characters FW listed) and Zoro is able to put up a good fight. If she's able to comprehend Zoro's style even without being able to replicate it (because you know, three swords) then she will be able to know how Zoro's style works and capitalize on that. Her Gravity Manipulation doesn't seem to work in the enviroment as FW pointed.
She has barriers to protect herself from Zoro's slashes and is able to copycat him to prevent doing a thing. Observation Haki can only help you so far if you aren't so skilled with it, making Zoro's precog almost useless here.
Zoro holds a monstruous advantage in power tho. While the numbers don't seem to be far away from each other, Zoro can one-shot people comparable to him and can further improve his power with Ichi Gorilla Ni Gorilla. But if Sion's skill is able to understand the opponent's style the very first moment then she'll get the upper hand.
I think this is inconclusive. Zoro might be able to one-shot her if she doesn't adapt to his fighting style before, but if this happens, Zoro won't be able to do a thing.
She seems to be more skilled than Zoro, but should be only by a small margin (I don't know the skill feats of those characters FW listed) and Zoro is able to put up a good fight. If she's able to comprehend Zoro's style even without being able to replicate it (because you know, three swords) then she will be able to know how Zoro's style works and capitalize on that. Her Gravity Manipulation doesn't seem to work in the enviroment as FW pointed.
She has barriers to protect herself from Zoro's slashes and is able to copycat him to prevent doing a thing. Observation Haki can only help you so far if you aren't so skilled with it, making Zoro's precog almost useless here.
Zoro holds a monstruous advantage in power tho. While the numbers don't seem to be far away from each other, Zoro can one-shot people comparable to him and can further improve his power with Ichi Gorilla Ni Gorilla. But if Sion's skill is able to understand the opponent's style the very first moment then she'll get the upper hand.
I think this is inconclusive. Zoro might be able to one-shot her if she doesn't adapt to his fighting style before, but if this happens, Zoro won't be able to do a thing.
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I can elaborate on what Sions skill is:
Lets explain Knights first. To become a Knight you need to be a prodigy, Knight trainees are made up of prodigys from all over the universe, from many different planets (Losing 5 Planets in a single war for example means nearly nothing to humanity). Meaning that you have to be outstandish to even be considered worth for the Knight training. After going through years of military training (strategy, tactics, logistic) and actual combat and sword training, a trainee becomes full fledged Knight, who now will serve as vanguards or special target exterminator in wars. Knights for proof themself again through out multiple wars becomes Master Knights.
Knights are commonly used to kill High Level beasts, special breeds that are massivly superior to the mass produced fodder that are used as foot soldiers in beast armies. A single HL can wipe out entire armies of trained soldiers with utter ease. They are so massivly superior to humans that winning against one is a massive feat for a normal Knight. Some HL's are roaming for years, becoming more experienced troughout the battles. But they are not the end. What comes after HL's are Type Zeroes. A single Type Zero can change the entire outcome of planetary wars and are so dangerous that even Master Knights needs to group to kill a single Type Zero
With this established (If you have more questions regarding that i will happily answer them~) lets talk about Anne and Pray (Sion scales to them but they have more feats so its easier to imagine how high they are)
Anne and Pray were raised since their childhood by a master martial artist from the Mayer Family. The Mayer style consists of the best from all earthly originating martial arts, ancient and "modern" (The setting is multiple hundrets years in the future, so modern martial arts would contain more than just our current ones) honed over multiple family generations. With Karen Mayer (Their adoptive mother and trainer) being a prodigy within the families history herself. Pray Mayer created her own Martial art, based on the Mayer Style and further developed it, with the help of legendary martial artists and Knights, creating the Pray Style.
After both were old enough, Anne and Pray joined the Knight Order to become Knights. Everyone quickly realised that both, as Trainees, were already far above Master Knights. Both crushed Knights in mock battles with utter ease, Knights with possibly years of combat experience, serving the Knight Order in wars where they have to fight for their life constantly, as even fodder beats can potentially kill a full fledged Knight if he dosnt watch out for themself
Pray after graduating instantly became the Top Sword (strongest Knight of the universe) and Anne became a Master Knight. Both is unheard of in the history of the Knight Order.
Lets talk about Cold Heroes. Cold Heroes are Knights who proofed themselve to be so valueable, powerful and skilled that they are frozen and only thawed for the most direst of dire situation, mostly when the entirety of humanity is threatend. They are legends among legends. And those Cold Heroes considered Anne a a absolute monster. Dry Leonhart, one of the most powerful Knights that are currently living, saw no chance in winning against Pray, even with a army of Cold Heroes at his command.
And Sion is compareable to all of that.
Lets explain Knights first. To become a Knight you need to be a prodigy, Knight trainees are made up of prodigys from all over the universe, from many different planets (Losing 5 Planets in a single war for example means nearly nothing to humanity). Meaning that you have to be outstandish to even be considered worth for the Knight training. After going through years of military training (strategy, tactics, logistic) and actual combat and sword training, a trainee becomes full fledged Knight, who now will serve as vanguards or special target exterminator in wars. Knights for proof themself again through out multiple wars becomes Master Knights.
Knights are commonly used to kill High Level beasts, special breeds that are massivly superior to the mass produced fodder that are used as foot soldiers in beast armies. A single HL can wipe out entire armies of trained soldiers with utter ease. They are so massivly superior to humans that winning against one is a massive feat for a normal Knight. Some HL's are roaming for years, becoming more experienced troughout the battles. But they are not the end. What comes after HL's are Type Zeroes. A single Type Zero can change the entire outcome of planetary wars and are so dangerous that even Master Knights needs to group to kill a single Type Zero
With this established (If you have more questions regarding that i will happily answer them~) lets talk about Anne and Pray (Sion scales to them but they have more feats so its easier to imagine how high they are)
Anne and Pray were raised since their childhood by a master martial artist from the Mayer Family. The Mayer style consists of the best from all earthly originating martial arts, ancient and "modern" (The setting is multiple hundrets years in the future, so modern martial arts would contain more than just our current ones) honed over multiple family generations. With Karen Mayer (Their adoptive mother and trainer) being a prodigy within the families history herself. Pray Mayer created her own Martial art, based on the Mayer Style and further developed it, with the help of legendary martial artists and Knights, creating the Pray Style.
After both were old enough, Anne and Pray joined the Knight Order to become Knights. Everyone quickly realised that both, as Trainees, were already far above Master Knights. Both crushed Knights in mock battles with utter ease, Knights with possibly years of combat experience, serving the Knight Order in wars where they have to fight for their life constantly, as even fodder beats can potentially kill a full fledged Knight if he dosnt watch out for themself
Pray after graduating instantly became the Top Sword (strongest Knight of the universe) and Anne became a Master Knight. Both is unheard of in the history of the Knight Order.
Lets talk about Cold Heroes. Cold Heroes are Knights who proofed themselve to be so valueable, powerful and skilled that they are frozen and only thawed for the most direst of dire situation, mostly when the entirety of humanity is threatend. They are legends among legends. And those Cold Heroes considered Anne a a absolute monster. Dry Leonhart, one of the most powerful Knights that are currently living, saw no chance in winning against Pray, even with a army of Cold Heroes at his command.
And Sion is compareable to all of that.
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Interesting.
So the current votes are:-
Zoro: 1 (KobsterHope07)
Sion: 1 (Calaca Vs)
Incon: 0
So the current votes are:-
Zoro: 1 (KobsterHope07)
Sion: 1 (Calaca Vs)
Incon: 0
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Looks like my reply was never posted. I change my vote for Sion.
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Sion-Chan FRA.
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Huh, may i know what you tried to wrote Calaca?
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The same I replied above. Me changing my vote from inconclusive to Sion.
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Sion makes Eve proud FRAs.
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Lol, you voted already son
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And maybe, perhaps, possibly I just wanted to say that line.
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I seee
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Suffering bump
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Bump bump bump the power.
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We'll get the votes. Eventually.
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Someday right qwq
Inb4 One Piece gets revisioned and the match becomes outdated
Inb4 One Piece gets revisioned and the match becomes outdated
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One Piece is still under revisions sooooooo...
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Don't jinx it man
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Welp, here we go again.
Bump softly love~
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This makes me realize I haven't thrown in my hat into the bonfire yet: so based on what is said, I would have voted for Zoro but there is a good chance for Sion can adapt to Zoro's fighting style. She has barriers to help block Zoro's attacks and could possibly negate Zoro's bread and butter Armament Haki, which to me is the big reason why I'm gonna vote for Sion.
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So no one bump us but the sky~
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Nah im voted Zoro Fra.
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I feel your words, the tender trembling buhump starts~
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Sion fra.
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We're in a world, our very own~
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Sharing a bump that only few have ever known~
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Wine colored buuumps, warmed by the sun~
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