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Iihiko Shishime vs Sara Bloodlily (Hopefully a fair match?)

Sara makes a copy of Iihiko and then ?????????????????? legit no idea what happens after that. Actually, would she have enough mana to recreate the absolute monster that is Iihiko? Sara goes for a summon and Iihiko kills her with her paint brush before she finishes?
 
Well Iihiko doesn't exactly have mana. So it wouldn't exactly require a lot of mana since the mana mostly goes to create their mana capacity. That's why she could create like 3 Ikki's but only 1 Edelweiss.

Also it'll be hard for Iihiko to 1 shot before she paints. Conidering she has knowledge and could just create water and go in or insta create an Iihiko.

Why i thought this would be fair is cus Iihiko can't "not recgonize" himself.
 
Does she open with that? If so, how long does it take? Iihiko destroys her in one hit if he gets the chance, and any defensive measures she does won't stop him. Iihiko can also one shot himself, so I do not think spawning another Iihiko means she wins, I think it is inconclusive if she manages to. If her Iihiko strikes first, then she wins. If Iihiko strikes first, then I am confident that Iihiko will do so in such a way that hitting the other Iihiko will catch Sara in the AoE fall out.

Depending on the answer, will determine which way I vote
 
ApiesDeathbyLazors said:
So Iihiko's no longer banned in matches?
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Turns out he was meant to be unbanned ages ago, at the time he actually got tiers.
 
Weaknesses: While her drawing speed is extremely high and usable in combat, Purple Caricature is still limited by knowledge. To be able to draw clones of Ikki she had to see and touch his body before, however she was still capable of drawing Edelweiss easily to her full potential without such a need before hand.
This makes it seem like she wouldn't be able to draw clones of Iihiko beforehand. So Iihiko punches her and ends her forever.

Also note that Iihiko resists Power Mimicry; Medaka couldn't copy or steal his abilities.
 
So I vote Iihiko. If she can figure out his powers pretty quickly based off of the legends she would have heard of since she is knowledgable on Medaka Box, then she can draw a copy and have that hit him. That is her only win condition, but Iihiko just needs to AoE punch to the ground and win. He doesn't always do stuff like that, but he likes to flex by one shotting enemies. If Iihiko picks up some stick (for example) and goes "Oh ****, its the legendary itch sitch of Ustangrov," he is 4 billion percent gonna toss that in her eye with the skill of someone who has been trossing sticks in people's eyes since the day they was born.

Basically, I vote Iihiko for the reasons above
 
Ah so the being knowledgeable is meant to let her draw him.

What does the thought process of Sara's copies default to?
 
Idk but that doesn't really change that she has a wincon here and so does he, so the answer to that just lowers her chance further, but doesn't make it a stomp.
 
Sure, I was more thinking if Sara gets an Iihiko copy that's an ultra-genius tactician that will go for an air-punch kill rather than looking around for a rock to chuck at Sara that might give her a solid chance at winning.

But generally I'd go for Iihiko FRA, he just has to throw something or punch anything to win, Sara has to draw something which will punch to win, which is less likely.
 
Tbh Sara's defensive hax wouldn't be bypassed as some of them work in a BFR kind of way. As in she just puts blue and creates a pond. So she's technically not there. Iihiko can't do anything about that.

And her drawing speed is EXTREME. And i mean she drew 3 copies of Ikki before Ikki could close in on her. She will be able to do the same.

And Iihiko's number one strategy is not to open up with AoE attacks. He doesn't usually do that, if anything he likes to defend more than attack (as seen when he only beat the abnormals, zenkichi and kumagawa AFTER they tried to attack him). So Iihiko punching the earth is not exaclty in character for him as a first strategy, he'll likely start by trying to close the gap.

And about becoming an inconclusive, i wouldn't be so sure, because as i said not only can Sara get out of Iihiko's way, but also create multiple copies of Iihiko.

Also the reason i thought this would be a good fight is cus Iihiko can't "not believe" what is essentially himself.
 
Well, that depends on if Iihiko recognizes the lakes or not. He may just shatter it as a wall, but what exactly happens if someone gets rid of blue she is in?

I see

You kinda missed my point. Iihiko is a smart dude, and although he doesn't usually open with AoE, but if it comes down to fighting himself and someone who created them he is gonna do what I said above.

If she can replicate several people at once, then that should be on her profile. If she does do that, then he will definitely go for her instead of the other Iihiko.

I guess then it would just come down to what they pick up as a weapon.
 
Nah, he can't do that. He saw the result right in front of his eyes. His ability works by nulling abilities on himself, not reversing causality. She put blue in there and she then disappeared into that blue, the effect happened right before him she sort of BFR-ed herself, so his ability wouldn't kick in. And no he won't shatter it, the blue is just blue, he doesn't break the laws of physics. And idk what would happen tbh, it has never happened before.

Yeah but fighting himself would be sort of you know..fresh. Iihiko likes to fight more than he likes to win, remember that.

Yeah she can replicate several. I mean i believe the part where she recreates a whole army of skeletons is on her profile. She recreated 3 Ikki's, etc. She draws thinsg then brings them to life (a 3D printer if you will xD), the amount of things she can draw is not limited (except by her mana ofc, but that wouldn't apply here as Iihiko doesn't have such a thing). And Iihiko won't exactly be able to go for her when there are 3 versions of himself going for him. Im inclined to say 3 Iihiko vs 1 Iihiko would be heavily in the advantage of the 3 Iihiko's. xD

Depends, Iihiko clones don't have his same battle tactics. So one of the Iihikos can even be fully bloodlusted.
 
Firephoenixearl said:
And her drawing speed is EXTREME. And i mean she drew 3 copies of Ikki before Ikki could close in on her. She will be able to do the same.
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Speed is equalized btw. I don't think it would exactly go like that.

Also, what is the thought process that Sara's copies usually have?
 
Yeah but she was slower than Ikki xD. Drawing speed is not equalized as that's more aching to talent than actual speed. I meant that in speed equal, she would be able to draw faster than he would be able to close in on her.

Depends they are usually bloodlusted, but if it's bloodlusted vs bloodlusted the real one will win cus the real one can think and adapt while the copies can't. Example Ikki beat 3 of his clones cus he knew his weaknesses and so he could abuse them, while the clones don't have that same thought process so they couldn't do the same (same for Edelweiss' clone). But Iihiko has no such thing, random punches would work.
 
She might be slower than Ikki in movement speed, but she has MHS+ reactions for being able to draw that quickly. This would get equalized in. It's not just about talent it's about the actual physical speed she can move the brush.

But if Sara can make multiple bloodlusted Iihikos then she'd win, changing my vote.
 
Blackcurrant91 said:
I don't buy that creating Ihiko wouldn't cost mana because he isn't made of mana. Doesn't that mean she can create an infinite amount of objects that don't contain mana?
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I didn't say that, materializing object DOES consume mana, but said mana goes to abnormal levels of consumptions if the amount of mana the dudes contain is really high. The higher the level of mana, the more mana it will consume to summon. Which is why she could create an entire army of skeletons, but 3 Ikki's and only 1 Edelweiss.

Since Iihiko doesn't have this consumption but is a pretty big tough guy, while he wouldn't take as little mana as a skeleton, he would take around Ikki's level of mana to summon.
 
Medaka did copy one of Iihiko's skills though. I recall the author admitted it and its somewhere in the manga. I got to find it though.
 
I'm pretty sure its straight up said that no skills including the end worked on iihiko which is why she used her style
 
I also don't get why Iihiko 'not believe' that the copies of him aren't actually him. He see's some random anime girl drawing a picture and suddenly 3 of himself appears. He wouldn't recognise their attacks just like everything Medaka threw at him because who would just accept that the three copies of yourself in front of you that just appeared out of no where are actually you.
 
Well yes, but Iihiko's ability is only for not recognizing attacks or defenses not abilities. He doesn't negate abilities like that. Also when he sees that what appeared in front of him are quite literally...him. It'll be hard not to recognize hits coming from your own self. Not only that but IIRC Sara's caraicatures have the abilities of the original. Which means Iihiko's ability of negating defenses.
 
Iihiko's ability isn't defense though it's just him not acknowledging the attack

His defensive ability with irreversible destruction is just that the attacker takes the damage back to themselves than they would have done should he choose to acknowledge the attack
 
It's still Iihiko vs 3 Iihiko. How can you assume the 1 Iihiko will win? The other 3 Iihiko's can do the same.
 
PsychoWarper said:
Doesnt Iihiko resist like every ability on the wiki?
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Basically yeah xD. But it's more that he doesn't acknowledge the abilities. He's literally the guy with the most resistances in the wiki though. I mean he resists all of Ajimu Najimi's 13 quadrillion abilities on top of resisting every other ability on the verse. xD
 
Ha, rookie numbers ovo

So would he be able to resist all of Saras stuff for at least enough time to paste her via way higher AP and his whole irreversible damage.
 
Well there is nothing to resist as she's simply drawing Iihiko's and bringing them to life. She's not affecting him.
 
Though him vs the Destiny bros will be a fun fight. From what i know Only oryx has 4D hax and even those very limited 4D hax. So i'll just throw him at everyone. xD
 
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