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John Pluto Smith, Sun Wukong (Campione!), and Lancelot Du Lac (Campione!) should all be upgraded to 6-C scaling to Godou and other campiones.

John Pluto Smith should be Massively Hypersonic+ due to being faster than Sun Wukong's divine beasts which are stated to be as fast as lightning.

Sun Wukong shouldn't even have a variable tier in the first place, he was the strongest god Godou faced when he met him but was sealed hence couldn't use his power effectively, once he broke the seal he was still superior to Godou. With the ritual of the covenant he is 3 or 4 times stronger than Godou, so he should have 2 keys, base and with the ritual of covenant.

Wukong's speed should be Sub-Relativistic+ for being able to cover 108,000 Li with a single leap, and at maximum speed he should be FTL for being able to dodge thousands of Godou's light speed attacks.

Addressing Arguments That Have Been Brought Up Before
Godou was able to destroy the territory of the god of fate which is infinite:

""For victory, hasten forth before me. O stallion that moveth godlike with wondrous grace, bringest forth the halo of thy master!" Godou chanted the words of power of light and righteousness. ÔöÇÔöÇFate sometimes was merciless and also unjust. The requirement to use the White Horse, that the target had to be a great sinner who troubled the mass was fulfilled without any problem at allÔöÇÔöÇ. The territory of the god of fate, the sun suddenly rose from the end of the horizon. It was the arrival of the brilliant sunrise. Flare with scorching heat was fired from the sun that was called by Verethragna's authority. It wasn't just a mere flame. It was a flame explosion in the scale of the universe. The endless territory of god of fate was thoroughly filled with the world-destroying conflagration of judgment. The fabric that was the manifestation of the concept of fate was annihilated in vain inside the flame."

Problem with this is a massive outlier, the characters consistently have feats below this level, even straining himself Marquis Voban who is comparable to Godou is only able to control the weather of a country.

The white stallion which Godou used to do this is also consistently said to be a fragment of the sun and equal to a solar flare, and is capable of destroying the Kanto region of Japan.

Next thing is Godou supposedly being able to create a blackhole, it's not a real black hole and the character sheets in volume 20, calls it a pseudo blackhole, even if it was legit would be far below his High 3-A feat.

Next is Doni fighting Hyperion and going to Mars, happens in an unknown time frame, we only know it took about 5 days for Doni to get back so at best Hyperion travelling to mars is like a massively hypersonic+ feat, and even if it's higher would just be travel speed considering it's done with his chariot.

Next is Godou leaving a hole in the moon, it wasn't stated how big the hole is, Erica and Yuri speculated Godou could destroy the moon with the white stallion, but that's just speculation, and even it isn't it's an outlier considering what i said above about the white stallion.
 
Also about Doni's asteroid's, they can change the shape of the continent:

"To guess from that guy's testimony, at the very least it's more than five. By any chance there is even the possibility that it can reach more than twenty……" "Somehow it sounds like the number of nuclear bomb someone possess isn't it." "It's something similar after all." Hearing the grumble of Amakasu, the aide of King of Sword continued further. "The force of the attack tonight is really low-key, it's unknown whether that's because he dropped it in hurry or because the mass of the asteroid was nothing big. But, if that guy dropped the magic sword with "sword trajectory"――in other words the entry angle that is carefully launched, then perhaps it would be even possible to change the shape of the continent."

Wonder what this counts as, he can't destroy the continent, but he can reshape it, seems like continent level, but just making sure. If someone could change the shape of the world i get the feeling it would be multi-continent level since they can't destroy it, by that logic i feel like it probably isn't continent level.
 
Reality warping? No he drops an asteriod from space in the sword trajectory, hence it has enough power to reshape an entire continent, in otherwords it has so much force behind it when it crashes into a continent the shape of the continent itself changes.
 
Not sure if you aren't getting what i am saying, but this isn't concept manipulate or any sort of hax.

Doni just drops an asteroid from space on the planet which because of the force of being dropped from space at high speeds, changes the shape of entire continent.
 
When black holes, the important thing is that they are formed by matter and has the gravity of a black hole. If it has the same gravity then the matter that the form equals a black hole, even if it is not literal.

Remembering that Rama had to appeal to his destroying arrow of Suns to face the White Stallion, which was confirmed as always being used in a limited way. Human citations about Godou's power are irrelevant, humans can not even comprehend the full power of a Divine Beast.
 
And about Rama, only his presence was changing the climate on a global scale, increasing several degrees, as well as creating new lands and activating volcanoes. I do not think that the attack of divine beings is weaker than the presence of Rama.
 
If you want some more objective achievement (although all these already fulfill this role), one has Godou erasing a great divine island. Erasing something requires a lot of energy, and as confirmed when Verethragna and Melqart face each other, divine objects are more resilient (actually any magical object is more resilient, but the divine ones are at extreme levels).
 
Not really you need proof that's a legit black hole, ie can't escape even if you move at light speed, distorted space-time etc. Godu's black star doesn't meet any of those, and was stated to be a psuedo blackhole.

It wasn't any humans who cited the stallion being comparable to a solar flare, it was the author, narrator, whatever you wanna call it, if anything you proved my point since it's humans who were speculating he could destroy the moon.

You do have a point about Rama but have no idea what activating the volcanos around the world qualifies for, an eruption of a volcano is city level if i remember correctly, the eruption of every volcano in the world though? Not sure.

Also this was an over time thing, in the beginning his awakening only activated the volcanos in Asia if i remember correctly.

Destroying an island is island level, can't confirm anything more than that.
 
The narration was talking about the appearance of the attack, not about its power. The attack was described as a spear (or arrow).

He did not destroy the island, he erased it, erase it requires more energy, than to be a divine object.

And raise the temperature of the planet on such a scale, to the point of even affecting its interior by activating volcanoes and creating new lands of a value far greater than suggested.

This is because I did not even mention that the Divine Sword of Salvation was said to cut and destroy stars, the same applies to Sun Wukong who claimed to be able to destroy all stars.
 
And Alec's Wandering Avarice was confirmed by the author having the severity of a black hole, the Black Star is even more powerful and was compared to a super massive black hole.
 
And on the Outlier, there is a past achievement where only the remains of a god have created an infinite dimension, which had matter and even a Sun, and the energy leaking from that dimension had no end.
 
Rechecked, you are correct, it's appearance is what's said to be equivalent, still doesn't change the fact that it being capable of destroy the territory of the god of fate goes against every fight in the series, and it was indeed said to be a fragment of the sun, though by Erica.

Clearly stated to be destroyed not erased:

"Kusanagi Godou and Athena's secret technique, the gravitational storm caused by Ama no Murakumo no Tsurugi, destroyed an island completely."

He was raising the temperature overtime as i said before, regardless still won't be anywhere near being high 3-A, literally an infinite difference.

Divine sword of salavation cutting stars is clear hyperbole, it has never displayed the feats of doing so, and the feats of the series contradict it, even if it's legit still nowhere near being close to high universe level though.

Alec's wandering avarice is not a legit black hole:

"It summoned a gigantic sphere of darkness that would suck everything. Its movement speed was slow, but its absorption force was tremendous just like a black hole. If the absorption force was suppressed, it was possible to make the darkness ball's size smaller."

If you are talking about the gray one creating an "endless" wheat field, hyperbole, what was said:

"What the hell? Where is this?" What laid in front him was actually a wheat field glinting in golden light. There was a bumper harvest with piles and piles of wheat heads, as if the magnificent brightness of treasure had been brought onto the farmland. The boundless farmland went as far as the eye could see. It wasn't really an unlimited expansive universe, but rather it was simply an endless wheat field."

Looks like hyperbole to me, also even if legit, that's 2 feats vs every other feat in the series which isn't anywhere near that, plus the fact that Voban struggles to control a single country's weather is a massive contradiction.

I don't remember Smith's arrow being superior to a supernova stated anywhere, again as i have been repeating, even if it is, still far below high universe level.

Again 2 high universe level feats, one of which is probably hyperbole, vs every other feat in the series, pretty clearly outliers.

Edit: Actually the gray one's dimension is just a dimension of unknown size, the quote i posted actually disproves it being infinite it says "It wasn't really an unlimited expansive universe, but rather it was simply an endless wheat field.", endless meaning it seems without end, it was already stated it's not an unlimited universe.

So only 1 legit high universe level feat exists vs every other feat from the series.
 
The black star erases the matter and energy it touches, as was shown against the dinosaurs of Uldin, where they would not be able to resurrect because they had been totally erased.

'Furthermore, a tragic fate awaited all the mini-pterosaurs, caught in this gravitational storm. As if mocking them, the star of darkness mercilessly pulled in the mini-pterosaurs despite their struggles, wiping out the pterosaur army from the night sky with exceptional speed. Completely erased. There was no worry of whether Tyr's Sword could resurrect them anymore.'

And he was keeping the planet's temperature on that level with the power leaking from his body, the time it lasted is done for him.

There are several quotations about the sword, and there is the quote from Sun Wukong and the arrow that destroyed nine suns (Rama being forced to use that arrow against the White Stallion, because an imitation would not be able to destroy a Sun) . And when the creation of black holes is added, there is no hyperbole.

And on the arrow.

'The magic bullet exploded in the air. Like a supernova, bright light burst forth from the explosion, illuminating the entire surroundings with a white color. However, this explosion was neither accompanied by heat nor impact. It was only a flash of light that acted as a visual diversion. It was the strongest diversion in the world, with the ability to scorch the vision of gods.'
 
But if you will even say that 3 different characters lied about the star level in 3 different situations (Sun Wukong, Lancelot and Rama), and ignore the creation of black holes that just confirms such citations, alright, worse than the current profiles should not stay.

Even in Shiniki in the Campioness (parallel world) it is said that destroying worlds is something gods do on a whim, as well as having mentions about beings capable of destroying stars, besides Surt being suggested to destroy the 9 worlds of Yggdrasil.
 
And before I forget, the energy of the Heraion was said to be capable of causing an explosion that would annihilate entire Napoles, but again, this was cherished by a human who can not measure divine power, so it is only the minimum value for a Divine Beast.

And the black star erased at least dozens of divine beasts with power equal to that of Heraion (most of them were young and so were weak, but others were already adults).
 
They were erased cause it swallows everything near it, regardless irrelavant to argue cause it's not gonna come out to be high universe level.

It isn't instant though, his awakening caused the volcanoes all over asia to increase in activity, not the entire world, eventually it would be, impressive but we need like a calc for it, btw still nowhere near high universe level or star level.

Statements which aren't proven seeing as no stars have ever been destroyed in the series and this goes against the displayed feats in the series. Voban who is a supposed star level character struggles to manipulate the weather of an entire country:

"Authority 5 ― Sturm und Drang (Gale and Surging Waves) It called storm, and manipulated wind and rain and thunder. If the marquis wrung out his full power to the degree that would make him sleep for a while later, this authority actually could manipulate the weather in a scale of a country."

The quote says like a supernova, big difference from being an actual supernova, stories do this all the time, this guy is fast like lightning, he is durable like iron etc etc. More statements again, no feats.

Shinki no Campione is a different series in a different world, the feats there should be treated on their own. The author already said it's different:

"……I will tell in advance just in case, this is a work unrelated with Campione. Just as spoken by the masked devil king-sama in volume 21. "Perhaps that world will be an earth where mankind wasn't born, perhaps it's a world where dinosaur didn't extinct and became the ruler of the world. Perhaps it will be a new world where Jesus Christ wasn't crucified and he realized the ideal country as messiah!" Naturally, world unrelated with Campione exist all over the place. The new title of my new work will be 'Campiones of Sanctuary'. The title will remind you to something, but Kusanagi Godou won't appear there, the other Campiones too also won't. But, well, if that's alright with you."

Is this Heraion feat in the original campione or not? Cause i don't remember it. Regardless this feat isn't anywhere near being high universe level or star level, i am repeating myself over and over here.

Black star has no feats of being a legit blackhole, it doesn't meet the criteria: can't escape even if light speed, distorted space-time etc etc, and it's only like 20m big in the first place. And again it's stated to be a pseudo blackhole it is not a real black hole:

"Authority 3 ― Stormbringer (Black Sword) The creation of pseudo black hole that swallowed all creation. Although it took time to activate it, its absorption force and destructive power were massive."
 
Rama was affecting the planet as a whole, not just Asia, so much so that in the visions Europe is being destroyed.

Voban uses divine winds and rays, it is not a simple climatic manipulation, that is the reach of Voban's power, not its limit.

You do not read Shiniki clearly, Voban appears in Volume 2, Luo Hao in 4, Godou faced Ren on the Drama CD.

And it does not matter if Heraion is star level or not, he is just a Divine Beast, something that can be killed by humans, gods can kill a dragon until accidentally.

What does it matter if it's a pseudo? Gravity is on the same level as a black hole, that matters.

Dude, you're not making sense in your statements. I do not even care about the universal level, but deny the dozens of star level quotes that complement each other? Skip the black holes just because they were called pseudo? Being that creating black holes of this size would just be on the same level as destroying the stars.

And stop ignoring in this way the fact that the black star erases matter and energy, it has erased a great divine island, which is tougher than ordinary matter, the feat is countless times above a simple island level.
 
There are dozens of quotations on star level, and they come from different characters and in different volumes Sun Wukong (volume 7), Lancelot (volume 9, is repeated several times), Rama (volume 17, his quote complements that White Stallion is a Sun), if there are 2 Authorities that create black holes (which you deny just because the term 'pseudo' was used, what matters is gravity), the Black Star erases what it touches, it erased a large island divine, hundreds of dinosaurs of divine and even the platinum star (all these feats are far above normal, even objects reinforced by ordinary magic are several times more resistant), arrows of JPS surpass supernovae, as it is said, the light emitted was the biggest distraction, in Shiniki no Campioness, which is a parallel universe where 4 characters from Campione! have appeared (Voban - Volume 2, Luo Hao and Lu Yunghia - Volume 4, Godou - CD Drama) also have mentions about gods capable of destroying stars and the destruction of worlds is treated as a whim (Melqart in volume 3 of Campione! was said capable of destroy the world).

Look, if you're going to deny it all, just because the Voban has a country-level range, and it causes DIVINE storms, not just storms (besides controlling the climate of an entire country must be greater than country, but disregarding the divine).

And there is another that had forgotten, Luo Hao can cause eclipses, it can put on so much power that would make an eclipse last for several years, want to see how you will deny the power exercised in such Authority.
 
And remember that the White Stallion's Outlier was predicted from past volumes, the total power of such an attack was being discussed, but as it was by human characters they could not even imagine how far it would go, so much so that the hypotheses were from a part of Japan to the Moon, but in the end, it destroyed the world of Destiny (being that it was ample for a replica of the human world to be created within, and the attack itself was described as universal).
 
He didn't instantly affect the planet, he eventually would. He started by affecting asia.

It's clearly stated to be his limit, any other explanation is an extrapolation. The highest this feat could be is large island level according to this.

So the author lied i guess, but i will have to read it myself before coming to any conclusions.

Irrelevant to your point of proving star level then.

You originally were trying to say universe level was legit, so i had to point out it isn't. Dozens of star level statements is probably an exaggeration, i only remember like 2 or 3 from the original series, which again weren't substantiated.

Even atomizing an island will only give you large country level results, so don't see where you're going with this, and even if it is erased from existence, that's just hax, and doesn't count as ap, you are trying to make feats of erasing islands and activating the volcanoes in asia, or even by your own word, the entire world, somehow comparable to destroying stars, they aren't, not even close. I will humor you and high ball to the max and say Rama's volcano feat and Godou's erasing an island feat, are planet level, that's still thousands of times below star level.
 
What is important is that it was increasing the temperature as a whole, it is about it continuing to affect and keeping this effect active.

'Just from swinging the Divine Sword of Salvation, the temperature rises within His Highness. Shrouded in heat, the earth suffers damage while the resulting effects spread gradually throughout the world...'

Range limit, range does not mean destructive power.

He did not lie, just said that it would not be a direct continuation, but a parallel world, being previously informed that the characters can travel between the parallel worlds.

It is not about star level or universe, but about you putting them in general as 6-C.

Were they not proven because they did not go into space to destroy suns? Since you do not accept the creation of black holes, or the fact that the true sun destroying arrow of Rama is used specifically against the White Stallion.

It does not atomize, it erased, it is a higher level of destruction. And I have to repeat that it was something divine? (In fact, the creation of the island would already have escaled to the gods and campiones, and it is unnecessary to speak of its destruction.) And the volcanoes of Asia were only more active, the effects were all over the world.

And apparently it will ignore keeping an eclipse running for years.
 
I can only see this as you're ready to not accept anything above island level because in your mind that's the limit. Ignoring the quotes of Sun Wukong, Lancelot and Rama, ignoring the black holes, ignoring that divine objects are more resistant than the common ones, ignoring that Luo Hao can make eclipses that last years, and when finally if you have done (in the universal case) it is automatically outlier (even if having an infinite dimension being created by the remains of a god, there was even a sun inside) and the fact that the Bearer of Fate molded all the tapestry (which was infinite).

You may not even agree with all quotes and feats, but at least try to be fair.
 
And about Doni and Hyperion, Doni was wandering through space picking up asteroids for his collection, and as Hyperion dragged him to Mars in the middle of a fight, there's no way it could have taken so long, Doni has power to make divine power get out of control, out to use anything that touches his arm like a weapon.

If there are more speed feats in fact, humans are constantly being told by attacking at lightning speed and reacting to them, Uldin was able to pick up an arrow and put it in his bow at lightning speed, Godou could see Sun Wukong in slow motion to the point to count how many centimeters he moved and wait until he was 1-2 centimeters away to move (constantly), Hanuman reacting to a Doni attack about 3 centimeters away and managing to dodge several yards.
 
The quote you posted literally says by swinging the Divine Sword of Salvation, the resulting effects spread gradually throughout the world, as i have been saying it's not instant, it happens over time.

Again has nothing to do with range, this feat is a large island level feat at best.

Ok.

I never said i wasn't open to putting them above 6-C, what i have issues with is them being star level based on statements which aren't substantiated by feats.

They aren't proven because no suns have been destroyed, and their feats contradict those statements. Also has i have been saying over and over again, it's not a real black hole, this site has a set standard that needs to be met to consider feats like this to be legit, and this doesn't meet those, and even if it was real, it would only give like maybe large planet level results considering the "blackhole" is only 20m big.

Erased is synonymous with vaporization, if you wanna argue it was literally erased from existence, it counts as hax not a dc feat. And as i have been saying even atomizing an island is large country level.

What eclipse are you talking about?

No, i just don't think rating them as star level based on a couple statements is correct. I am willing to discussed the other feats like Rama raising the earths temperature and Godou's feat, but theses need calcs.

I will have to look at this luo hao feat, creating eclipses though are usually large planet level.

Already addressed gray one creating an "infinite dimension" it literally says it isn't infinite, as for the bearer of fate, it was never said she created her dimension and was said that her powers are specialized for manipulating fate, her attack power is poor, and all she did with her ability was bring ppl from different points in time to fight Godou.

My issue with the Doni feat is we have no time frame for it besides that it took him 5 days to get back after he was sent to sapce, btw i think the characters are massively hypersonic+, just that saying for example this makes Doni like idk FTL would be an issue for me, not that you have said that, just that we don't have a timeframe for the feat, so we can't assume anything higher than what we already know.
 
It raises the temperature of the world as a whole, gradually what it would take is for the effects to reach the level of destroying the whole world (as in the vision where Europe was on fire).

It is only reach, Voban it is creating winds, rain and divine rays. Do you really need to ignore the fact that divine attributes are superior to normal ones?

The feats do not would contradict, do only reinforce. You are treating feats as if they were undone. Dude, they have the gravity of a black hole, if gravity was said to be on that level you do not need anything else. Wandering Avarice has are 20-30 meters radius, not height.

Erase is not synonymous with vaporization, the narration made clear, they were erased, nor could it be resuscitated because they no longer existed.

Luo Hao has an Authority capable of creating eclipses, do not think that all feats and Authorities appeared in the main series. The author himself releases information that has not been placed in the light novel.

She did not create the dimension, she molded the tapestry. Although she recreated the human world within this place, as shown, it was not an illusion, it was a replica of truth.

The time was what he spent strolling and taking asteroids, Doni is always coiling and looking for something to have fun. And humans have the speed of lightning, Erika from the beginning has attacks said at that speed, Liliana reacted to intercepted dozens of attacks at such speed, Iceman attacked calmly at lightning speed, MHS + is human-level speed (and divine beasts), not divine.
 
Something I find interesting, Rama mentions this about his fake arrow.

"This is merely a counterfeit arrow, insufficient to shoot down the sun. However, it can still bring about incomparable firepower when released towards the ground... Let us first begin with this level of power."

After, the Rama is forced to use the real arrow against the White Stallion.

'A jet-black arrow. Both the arrowhead and the fletchings were jet black. It was quite similar to the arrow that Rama had used in Minamibousou last time. However, this was a deeper black. Godou recalled how Rama had called the previous arrow merely a "counterfeit." Most likely, this was the real thing-In front of the trembling Godou, Rama readied his bow of steel. Placing the jet-black arrow on the steel bow, he drew the bowstring to its limit then fired. The arrow flew towards the eastern sky. Striking the flaming white stallion that was rushing towards Pushpaka Vimana, the arrow Destroyed it. Even the sun's flames could be repelled and erased-what an ultimate archer to an absurd degree.'
 
Nowhere in that quote does it say the temperature of the world itself increases, and it literally says the resulting effects spread gradually throughout the world.

This is literally your interpretation of things, in the beginning volume 20 it literally stays he will get tired if he uses it to that extent, range corresponds to ap when it comes to manipulating storms.

I am tired of telling you this over and over, we do this for every blackhole feat that's brought up here, for the last time it is not a real blackhole, and again even if it was it wouldn't be star level since it's only 20m big.

Definition of erase; to eliminate completely, to obliterate, from dictionary.com so all it means is it got destroyed, and again if you mean erased from existence, that's hax not dc.

Cool and this happened in shiniki no campiones? This might have been something she gained in the years she was in the other parallel worlds cause it was never brought up in the original series. Btw looked at several eclipse calcs and the best it comes out to is large planet level, which again is far below star level.

You mean when the bearer of fate showed Godou a possible future revolving around his school life? This is just time manipulation, and even if it isn't it scales only to her, she is specialized to do things like that, her actually ap isn't good, Godou only gained a part of her authority.

So what are you trying to say their speed is? Again Doni's feat has no timeframe for it.

Again more statements which aren't proven, the most he has done with his arrows is destroy everything within 10km, and destroy entire mountain ranges. Still no proof of stars being destroyed.
 
I think that Celestial Pegasus seems to make sense.
 
It has been said that it affects the whole world with its presence, leading to its end just by existing. What gradually occurs is the increase of such effects, does not mean that it takes time for them to spread throughout the planet.

It is a divine storm, not something ordinary, gods can not even be bothered by all the armament of humanity, do you really mean that rays that can kill gods are common? Do you really want to analyze something with such power basing itself on ordinary storms? A single Voban lightning has more power than any natural storm.

Alec's black hole is 20-30 meters in radius, it would be on average 50 meters in diameter, and you did not show any calculations that prove what you say. If you're so confident in that why just do not accept then? And the black holes in question are called pseudo because they have no natural origin, they are created by converting energy into matter, but its gravity is that of a black hole (that's enough justification).

Erasing is the same as creating out of nothing (in energy terms), it is something calculable. Hax not calculable would be in the case of Destiny that erased by cutting the wires of destiny, unlike Godou who erases with a destructive attack.

It makes an eclipse last for YEARS with a single use of its Authority, it means that at one time it would release power to sustain the eclipse for years.

WRONG, she recreated the human world within that dimension, so much so that after Godou set free the living beings disappeared but the buildings remained.

This was the false arrow, which could not destroy a Sun. If the false can not destroy a Sun, the true destroys what? And the truth had to be used against what? You are stuck on the idea that their powers are limited to an X level and you do not want to accept the fact that these mentions complement each other.

And again, do you think Joe put 3 different characters into different volumes talking about destroying stars just to be a hyperbole? Being that again in SnC this is repeated, when it is said that Fenrir and his sons can destroy stars.
 
This is just going around in circles.

Never stated he raises the temperature of the entire planet, it just says temperature increases, not world's temperature. And this doesn't justify star level rating, it's far below star level.

Being divine or not is irrelevant, as i have said over and over the feat will be nowhere near star level.

As i have told said over and over again they don't meet the criteria for being legitimate black holes, we literally have a page for this, Black Hole. Just because something is called a black hole doesn't mean it is.

Again no matter how you describe this feat it will never be star level.

As i already said this doesn't prove much if it's something she gained years later, and i still doubt this would be star level, we would need a calc.

Again just time manipulation/hax, her actual destructive capability isn't the same as that she is specialized to be able to do things like this.

Still no proof it can destroy stars.

Have any of them actually destroyed stars though? I have feeling the answer to this is no, their displayed feats are consistently not on this level. You keep saying star level is legit but we have yet to see any stars destroyed, and literally every fight we see so far contradicts said statements, so literally 3 or 4 statements about destroying stars vs every single time 2 characters fight, perform feats, which turn out to be far below what is require to destroy stars.

Anyway i have already repeated my stance on this over and over again, continuing this won't get us anywhere. Also this should be put on hold for the time being, gonna read shiniki no campione for myself and come back to this later.
 
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